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The Spainish have enclaves in Morocco which are officially part of Spain so tell the Spanish to give them back .
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Actually, this is rather typical of the Spanish, they welcome TM with open arms and suggest they are keen to do a deal and to protect the rights of UK citizens living in Spain.
Then they turn the tables, and insist their right to sovereignty over a U.K. Territory long prior to the EU forms part of Brexit.
No wonder they won't talk trade deals yet.
I can see no negotiations from the EU just demands, sadly we may be forced just to walk away without an effective deal.
Unbelievable.
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Why so much fake news Brextards? It appears you are trying to wip up a frenzy of nationalism to make sure that Brexit really happens. I stand by the comments I have made since last June. You will see a General Election before Brexit actually occurs.
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Hey. If you can't spell Whip you aren't going to get a general election early.
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Sorry I did not it clear that my post at 12.20pm was more or less rhetorical.
I made a similar comment about Northern Ireland, the majority of whose citizens want to remain in EU, could become part of Eire and thus achieve their goal.
In my opinion, as all EU countries are increasingly becoming controlled by Brussels I see no reason why any part of an EU country should want to maintain the nonsensical idea that they are tied in some way to another country, i.e. N Ireland and Gib to UK. If UK had remained in EU both Gib and N. Ireland would have been increasingly controlled by Brussels.
On a serious note re Gib:
If Spain had any common sense (and in my 35 years of association with Spain seems to me not to exist) they might remember that when the border with Gib was closed by Franco, La Linea, the Spanish border town, became a ‘third world’ dump, and forget the whole idea. Although Spain’s rant does of course serve a useful purpose by keep their citizens from looking at Spain's political mess.
Now there are around 10,000 Spaniards working in Gib, and La Linea has recovered to become a normal town just like any other Spanish town.
Should Gib become part of Spain, most of the businesses in Gib which are reliant on its political standing would disappear and all the jobs there would go, with Spain losing not only the 10,000 jobs Spaniards have in Gib but also all the cross border business it now enjoys because there is a border. The area would again become a ‘third world’dump.
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Briando, "Hey. If you can't spell Whip you aren't going to get a general election early. "
Dont shoot the messenger, i just read your thread from 12.42, " Maybe a blunt intstrument (such as a Vito) belongs more in the black museum? "
Those Mercedes vans do have a rather rounded bonnet............
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Johnzx, everybody here is reacting to the Spanish raising the subject of soverignty of Gibraltar, and all seem to have missed it, the Spanish included. Gibraltar is not a member of the EU, the UK is. Gibraltar is a protectorate of the UK and therefore only a member of the EU while the UK is. This is proved by the fact that the border control by the Spanish at Gibraltar does not recognise that the rock is a EU member, and restricts anyone passing through the border to a No-EU limit of 200 duty paid cigarettes as the rock is considered a non EU country. If you pass from France to England, you can bring as many duty paid as you wish(as long as they are for personal use) and that is the EU regulation for border crossings within the EU. Seems the Spanish are making it up as they go along.
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Ha. Nice one Robert
that joke was in transit a while.
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Yes. I missed those points Rob, through lack of direct knowledge.
Two members of my family, ex Air Force, were in Gib at different times but I must not have been listening when they talked to me about the place, sorry.
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Robert
Very good point re Gib and EU relationship, it's like France wanting the Channel Islands back.
At times the Spanish really do not face up to reality and perhaps diverting away from their own problems is a good way.
Many economies really are in a mess but now they can divert all blame and trouble onto the UK.
Not sure the voters will buy it though.
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Hugh_man
As I understand it these uk Italian owned division s are providing service and goods to other eu countries ROW not uk to businesses
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This Italian, UK subsiduary is supplying goods and services to other EU countries? Why not supply straight from Italy? No self respecting company would export goods and raw materials to the UK from Italy to reexport them to other EU countries. It just does not make sound economic sense. You would just have depots in the country you were supplying the service to, and cut out the UK middleman.
I think unless you can supply a name and substantive proof of the claim i think Tadd we might as well class this as "Fake News"
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An Italian company, based in Britain, supplying 'service' to other EU countries round the world but not to Britain
Wow. We will really miss these people, I wonder what tax they pay and what tax credits their employees draw.
And as business brains go, they may not be at the top table by the sound of it Tadd.
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Brian
As a company they employ some 50000 people with 8000 in the uk
I think they know what they are doing and from my source there is a lot of people now worried about their futures in the uk
Many businesses will follow
Robert I cannot name the company yet but they impost very little from Italy. The capability,sales and manufacturing is being moved to Italy and redundancies in the uk
This message was last edited by Tadd1966 on 02/04/2017.
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Tadd...
Only Thursday I heard of an Italian owned company who have closed down a UK division, announced a first wave of redundancies (approx 200), transferred 4 major contracts (in excees of €50M) to Italy and all current bids as of Monday are now being fronted from Italy HQ by Italian staff not UK where they are now.
Thats what you said yesterday. They transferred 4 major contracts worth over 50m to Italy and it cost 200 redundancies. This leaves 7800 employees still in the UK with only 4 contracts gone.
Got to admit this is very very fishy Tadd. And you can't tell us who it is, well it gets smelly as well.
I think I will stick my head in the noose here and say your telling fibs sunshine.
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Brian if they have such a fantastic turnover and workforce, they must be a fantastic sized multinational organization, but as i said previously, i think that it is nonexistant and certainly "Fake News". Of course if its true, Tadd would be more than happy to name them......
PS, Just rereading the quote from Tadd, it says "all bids as of Monday...." So its most likely some internet bid company such as Ebay, seeing as Tadd mentions "bids". all i can say is any profits from a firm such as that would probably not get taxed by HMRC anyway, so no loss.
This message was last edited by robertt8696 on 02/04/2017.
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Yes major contracts and ALL sales activities and this is just the start
I cannot name them yet believe what you want but I am not going to break a confidence for anyone
You keep asking so you use share the concern
The 2 locations and the number of employees should give you all knowing experts a big enough clue
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Not even interested. Go away and come back when your talking sense. Night John boy
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not bad from the "sensible ones" and they beleived farage, boris et al time will tell the sensible ones
reminds me of head in sand etc
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