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"A survey carried out by TNS Infratest Politikforschung found 42 per cent of Germans believe there should be a referendum on their EU membership and that 62 per cent of Germans think the EU is “heading in the wrong direction”.
The same survey found 67 per cent want the bureaucratic superstate to change its political direction and just 39 per cent of Germans believe EU membership is exclusively positive"
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During the referendum campaign voters were repeatedly warned leaving the European Union would have a devastating impact on the economic future of Britain. In a tactic spearheaded by George Osborne and David Cameron, it was said a vote to Leave would risk a recession. Figures from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) this week showed the economy grew by 0.5 per cent in the third quarter.
Commenting on the news, LBC presenter Andrew Pierce said: “If you are a Remainer, isn’t it time now just to get on with it and accept the British people have spoken?
“We’re leaving the EU and actually, contrary to all the doomsayers, the economy is doing rather well. “Remember: Nissan – major investment in Britain, McDonald’s – major investment in Britain, Apple – major investment in Britain. “Isn’t that the real measure of Brexit? The fact that people are still coming here and still investing here.
“Or are you still in denial and still determined to get another referendum?”
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Jarvi
The only thing the exiters knew at the time of teh vote and now was the UK was to leave the EU they knew nothing about how and on what terms and guess what they still know NOTHING.
Many simpy voted on a few prejudicail topics (which had NOTHING to do with teh EU or the UK's membership of the EU) formed and promoted by the far right, the media and Boros's personal oppostion (battle revenge or whatever) to DC
Maybe you should do some reserach and compare the democratic EU with the UK's (and even other countires) democratic system. and maybe some clear dictatorships around the world - i think there about 50 here is a list and I don't see the EU on it
https://planetrulers.com/current-dictators/
Then come back and tell us how it is not democratic and is a dictatorship like
Here is one to start with
http://theconversation.com/how-democratic-is-the-european-union-59419
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Don't need to read BS research, if you believe that the EU is democratic either a.Go to live there. b. If you already live there stay where you are. Who cares what some know it alls say? (Bit like the economists who predicted armeggedon happening immediately after the vote. Got better things to do with my time, working for the UK and making it great....Roll on independence day......
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I already live on the EU
The BS you refer to us a lot less than the BS promoted by the exit campaign leading up to the vote and the BS that they are still going on about
Come on exiters other than leaving the EU what do you know for ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY will happen on every topic
What are the plans
The reamain voters knew what would happen if the uk stayed
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This message was last edited by Mickyfinn on 25/12/2016.
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ONE CERTAINTY - We are leaving.....BTW The remoaners do not have a crystal ball therefore cannot possibly know with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY whats going to happen next in their great dictatorship. Did you know 2 years ago that Merkel was going to invite over a million migrants to the EU SSR? I doubt it, as even the German people didn't know....Stop pretending that all you remainers know whats going to happen, you don't..
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I did say other than leaving
Clearly the exiters don't have a clue never mind a plan
Simply trusting a bunch of remain MP,'s to negotiate a deal who have ni idea what the exiters want or expect
Will you be happy with whatever they settle on
What other choice do you have
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The remoaners do not have a crystal ball therefore cannot possibly know with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY whats going to happen next in their great dictatorship. Did you know 2 years ago that Merkel was going to invite over a million migrants to the EU SSR? I doubt it, as even the German people didn't know....Stop pretending that all you remainers know whats going to happen, you don't..
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We don't know what is going to happen just as the exiters don't and that is the problem the exiters have created for ALL
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'Most people now want to remain in the European Union in parts of the UK that voted overwhelmingly for Brexit according to opinion surveys by several different local newspapers.''
Strange that, when national polls show an increase to 68% for leaving and several high profile people have reported changing their mind from remain to leave now being the best option.
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That can't be correct Tteedd?
Surely since the vote with things going so tragically wrong for the UK, (like growth still being strong) and the EU SSR going from strength to strength, (At least 1 million extra highly skilled workers added to the payroll in 1 year) people who voted to leave have changed their minds? They would mad not to.....Oh dear I think I've lost my marbles.....
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Hey don't get to cocky this is a false bubble you just wait till we get the bill !!!!!!!!!! , and i'm sure we can still sell Morris Ofords to Australia and New Zealand? .Hah those wheere the days and a lot of Brexiters still think that way poor sods.
MP CDA
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'Referendums are basically mob rule'
Don't be silly. If Scargill had managed to overthrow Thatcher, that would have been mob rule. Given the discontent in the UK over the EU, sooner or later it would have had to be put to the electorate, either through a referendum or as party policy by one party or the other.
'Brexit I am sure will historically be recorded as the beginning of the decline of the United Kingdom both as a regional power and an economic force in the world. It saddens me enormously.'
Belief. You belive your country has had it, no wonder you live in France and talk the UK down. The UK can be richer than the EU just because it can now make it's own decisions, free from the EU Sclerosis. On balance I think we will do better but I don't reiy on blind belief. What I know is that we return to democracy and freedom from the EU gravytrain.
'I believe Europe will grow stronger together and recover from the economic malaise of the past decade.''
I believe. I believe. Some people believe in the Christian or other Churchs. May or may not be a bad thing. But some people believe in a flat earth, world domination, isis, creationism, racial or religious superiority. I despise belief.
I once believed in the EEC/EU - Oh the foolishness of youth.
This message was last edited by tteedd on 26/12/2016.
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come on now be honest this is a complete cock up
MIKE cda
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I agree, we need to get out of the EU SSR quickly before it gets worse...
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“Haste and anger are, to my mind, the two greatest obstacles to wise counsel.”
Diodotus.
I said single issue referendums are mob rule because it allows the populace to display anger at the political establishment. Rather than express a well thought out opinion on the issue. The same thing often happens in by-elections.
General elections usually produce more considered thought.
The referendum was a political necessity which turned into an appalling mistake given all the likely consequences for the nation.
The decision cannot be reversed because it places permanently those elected to government on a hook from which they cannot escape.
How can that ever be a good thing for democracy.
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But referendums are ok if the result goes the way you expect/want them to.....
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Mickyfinn
The decision cannot be reversed because it places permanently those elected to government on a hook from which they cannot escape.
It can and all it will take is a vote in parlaiment - yes it may be deemed as politcial suicide but the decicion would have been made and back to sqaure 1
What will happen if (or when) the brexit plan is rejected by MP's ?
Even if the brexit plan is agreed and approved by the MP's will the exiters agree with it - they won't have a say in the plans no matter what they include?
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