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Scotland will get their chance for independence after Brexit.
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no we won't be waiting for that. Once we know the terms before Brexit we'll decide whether to stay in the UK or not. The idea that some right wing nut jobs, having snuck into government by the back door will tell us what or what we will not to do only displays little Englanders delusions. Frankly as someone who voted no to independence before, the thought of being ruled by blowhards like Davies and a rag bag of Tory backwoodsmen (and women) for the next decade is somehting I'm not putting up with. More austerity, NHS in crises...tory lead up in the polls!......Are the English thick !...We're out thank you very much !
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No the English are not thick, I personally love Scotland and visit every year. My grandfather was Irish, my great grandfather scotish
I meet a bit of hostility in pubs when locals realise we are English lads on golfing trips, but Yorkshire guys are friendly and it ends up with friendship.
First time I went to Stirling the taxi driver passing a site said 'this is where we kicked 's**t out of english'.
I have listened to the SNP leader and to Alec Salmond lots of times, and I sincerely hope that Scotland do leave, but don't interfere with what's going on right now.
Im a traditional labour voter, with only the tories to look forward to for some time, but that's democracy. I truly believe austerity will be greater in Scotland post independence but I'm sure you trust your politicians far more than I trust mine John.
PS. I'm currently under treatment with our NHS which is leading to a very important operation in late June. It's an absolutely professional and highly attentive experience with the best care i could imagine. I don't recognise any of the doom and gloom reports on TV or newspapers, don't believe all you see or hear.
This message was last edited by briando55 on 30/03/2017.
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Johnmcmannon so what is the SNP going to do with this new found independence if they get it.
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who says the SNP would be in power.
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The SNP say they are speaking for Scotland (don't they) no other political party in Scotland wants a independent Scotland ....only the SNP minority .so let's just say the Scotland gets it's so called independence from the UK what is it going to do with this new freedom.
This message was last edited by windtalker on 30/03/2017.
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30% of snp voters, voted for Brexit.
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LOOK let's not worry about the MEN in SKIRTS just yet
LETS FOCUS on the UK sorting its DEAL that's the PRIORITY stop been so UNGRATEFUL you had a chance to LEAVE and you BLEW IT
THIS IS our TIME now
Love Hugh 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🖕🖕🖕
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We seem to be talking about the break up of the UK again rather than the main subject of this thread.
I suggesed a different thread for this a few days ago. Think I will start it!
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The scottish people have as much right to a referendum to leave the uk as the uk had to a vote to leave the eu
How can TM et al agree a deal for a member state when they have no idea what that member wants or if they will be part of the uk in the future
Get the scottish vote now and if they decide to leave the uk then the govt can focus on a deal for the uk minus scotland or vice versa should the scottish decide to stay in the union of the uk
Let's clarify it now
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See the new thread for comment on Tadd's post.
This message was last edited by tteedd on 31/03/2017.
This message was last edited by tteedd on 31/03/2017.
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So not a very good start to the Brexit talks as T May shoots herself in the mouth with badly timed and badly worded 'security threat' to the rest of the EU.
No mention of immigration so I presume that is not a major issue for the ex Home Secretary who presided over the longest period of missed migration targets on record.
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Perry you said:
So not a very good start to the Brexit talks as T May shoots herself in the mouth with badly timed and badly worded 'security threat' to the rest of the EU.
Firstly, Theresa May did not write the letter as you well know, she signed the document not wrote it.
Secondly, reminding the EU that our security procedures, information etc are intertwined and is something that needs to be discussed is not a bad thing.
Thirdly, "T May shoots herself in the mouth" is that acceptable language on this kind of forum, maybe the moderators will decide?
No mention of immigration so I presume that is not a major issue for the ex Home Secretary who presided over the longest period of missed migration targets on record.
There is no need for a mention of immigration because this was never open for discussion, we are taking control of our borders not the EU.
The reason for the missed targets is precisely because the EU are in control of our borders, at the present.
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Tadd, you said:
The scottish people have as much right to a referendum to leave the uk as the uk had to a vote to leave the eu
Firstly, I live in Scotland and the people of Scotland do not want to leave the UK. Nicola Sturgeon has tried to put this back on the agenda using leaving the EU as a 'smokescreen'. It is the SNP who want to leave the UK, NOT the people of Scotland.
How can TM et al agree a deal for a member state when they have no idea what that member wants or if they will be part of the uk in the future.
The population of Scotland and Yorkshire are approximately the same, so does TM have to go and have individual talks with Yorkshire, I think not. The referndum to leave the EU was based on a majrity vote and the decision was to leave the EU, SO BE IT.
Get the scottish vote now and if they decide to leave the uk then the govt can focus on a deal for the uk minus scotland or vice versa should the scottish decide to stay in the union of the uk.
Even if all the polls are wrong and the Scottish people wanted a referendum to leave the UK (not the SNP wanting to leave the UK), starting the referendum now would just be madness, it would take too many people too much time and there would be a huge cost to administer a referendum again.
So the intelligent option is to ask Nicola Sturgeon to come back and ask for a referendum to leave the UK when she has cast iron guarantees that Scotland would be allowed to become a member of the EU, and also what would be the cost?
If Scotland were to leave the UK, would they then have to put tarrifs onto the goods the export to the UK, their biggest export market (3 times bigger than the EU)?
Let's clarify it now
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The scottish parliament have voted for a referendum so it should happen then and only then will Scotland decide to leave the uk or not
Yorkshire does not have a devolved parliament or any powers (yet) and have not asked for a vote to leave the uk
I did not want a vote to leave the eu but parliament gave me one and I voted remain but most of England voted leave so I have to accept that.
Votes indicated most of Scotland wanted to remain in eu so it is only right what the devolved govt if scotland have done in asking for a new referendum to leave the uk
Rejoining the eu is the subject of another vote by Scotland (maybe they can combine the 2 who knows
Why waste time agreeing a deal for Scotland if they might leave the uk let's find out now
The intelligent option is for TM to listen to the will of the devolved govt of Scotland and stop dictating to them what the englush voted for
A refusal by a dictator will make anyone more determined
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Tadd
If Nicola Sturgeon cannot guarantee the people of Scotland a cast iron guarantee they can stay or become a member of the EU, then nothing has changed since the last referendum on leaving or staying in the UK.
As I said this is nothing to do with leaving the UK and all to do with Nicola and her merry band wanting the reverse the decision of 2014.
If you wish to make an economic case for Scotland leaving the UK, I would love to hear it.
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I completely agree with bigAL on this, he has more feeling for the Scottish question as well, being from that part of the UK I think.
It is completely the wrong time for this, and sadly I believe the SNP leader and Mr Salmond, who was the least convincing I ever heard him the other night (because he is a very good orator), I really believe is just going through the motions.
it would take too much resources in money and time and a yes vote to leave would leave Scotland completely in limbo.
but hang on, don't they have three years to break free of the UK after the referendum result? So how does that fit with negotiations anyway, it just creates the mess the SNP desire.
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I completely disagree with BigAl on this, he is not Scottish. The timing is due to Westminster ignoring the will of the Scottish. Money has nothing to do with it. It would be better to resolve this issue immediately so the rest of the U.K. know where it stands.
The silence on immigration is because there will be no material change in the numbers or skills of EU citizens coming to live and work in the UK. T May is playing the British for mugs to get re-elected. She is doing zip all to sort out the real issues in the UK.
Brexiters want to believe in a fantasy and that is what they will get.
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Yes PP. complete rubbish imho but then your not surprised
Can you listen to the current broadcast from Malta at the EU briefing
the speeches of mr Tusk are extremely favourable for a fair and respectful brexit They want to settle citizenship now. They want to remain friendly and respectful of each other. It's very very positive.
I know how much that will disappoint you but I'm sure you will find smaller and smaller things to whack us over the head with.
BigAL said he was Scottish or lived in Scotland, but you seem to assume him dishonest from your tone? What's that about
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