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29 Apr 2017 12:41:

What has got me through life is the total  and positive abolition of personal expectation. Once you train yourself to accept that you will almost never be disappointed.

Society creates subliminal Incentives for people to believe in politics or religion which is often the same thing. Belief systems will usually eventually lead to levels of disillusionment and even betrayal. Removing the expectation from any of these systems of belief leads to empowerment..

Politics is about the art of achieving the possible, not the impossible as many would have you believe. Religion is about putting your faith into an abstract idea rather than simply believing in yourself. Philosophy is about understanding the nature of reality which I would argue is more rewarding and less likely to disappoint.

Elections are a prime example of this creation of expectation. Hope that society will be made better and more agreeable is writ large.  Many of us know full well in our hearts that it will actually change nothing. It matters not who wins elections unless of course they are extremists. In western democracies that’s unlikely to happen.

Yet people still engage in the process, still carry that unrealistic expectation their vote will make a difference. Equally disappointment looms round the corner.

In my opinion Mrs May called this election in a cynical opportunist move to see off UKIP, SNP and Labour and consolidate her personal power over the party. She and the Conservative may well achieve that for a while and enjoy absolute power with a large majority. Will that make any difference to Britain? Well history indicates when that situation arose before under Thatcher civil strife and resentment resulted. Sentiments still felt to this day in many working class communities. Some of you might believe that is no bad thing or that history won't repeat itself this time. Woops there's that hope thingy again.

Someone once said the definition of madness is doing the same things over and over again and expecting a different result each time. Politics and elections it seems to me are very similar.

 


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24 Apr 2017 19:23:

Rob you mirror my sentiments.

Macron being a former investment banker intends to do his level best to lure talent from The City to Paris post Brexit. He is business friendly which is unusual in French political life. He also knows his way round the financial service industry and how to offer incentive. Giving Mrs May a hard time in the negotiations can only benefit that aspiration.

I used to work in The City and can testify life in Paris is infinitely superior. Things may have changed however from my day.

The UK election will make no difference to the outcome of the negotiations which no one seems in any hurry to begin. Perhaps the real intent was to level the playing field with Merkle and Macron. All will have long periods in office together after this summer with majorities and therefore without any obvious political weakness.

The one facing the greatest challenge is Theresa May who might in the wee small hours sometimes secretly hope she loses…..there again maybe not.

 



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24 Apr 2017 17:49:

I have a more cynical view of British politics. This UK election called early, despite promises to the contrary is about opportunisim to consolidate power. Everything else Hugh mentions may well be true but it's secondary to gaining and the use of power.

Once politicians realise those two aims are personally out of reach for whatever reason they soon leave the stage. 

 



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24 Apr 2017 16:14:

Why not Google it and save forum space. The thread is about the UK elections.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France%E2%80%93Germany_relations

The cooperation was accompanied by strong personal alliance in various degrees:

  • Konrad Adenauer and Charles de Gaulle.
  • Willy Brandt and Georges Pompidou.
  • Helmut Schmidt and Valéry Giscard d'Estaing.
  • Helmut Kohl and François Mitterrand.
  • Gerhard Schröder and Jacques Chirac.
  • Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy.


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24 Apr 2017 12:44:

‘Servitude’ is probably going a little far but I understand his meaning. Britain is going to lose all its political influence in Europe and probably quite a lot of its curent economic clout. Of that there is little doubt.

If you believe that’s a price worth paying then fine your entitled to think that. Remember in losing that influence it also weakens the nations standing abroad.  It’s a done deal now and there is little mileage in trying to make a dead horse run.

This UK election is about shoring up the power of the Conservative Party and finally killing off the UKIP threat. That’s probably no bad thing. Corbyn will be likely be gone by the end of the summer and Labour can start the long rebuilding process with an electable leader and definable policies. It will have five long years to achieve it.

Meanwhile we Europeans will strengthen our union and move ever closer to the dream of a Federal state. I hope I live long enough to see it. Macrons leadership will help in re-establishing the Franco German alliance missing under Hollande.



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