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15 Aug 2012 10:22 PM by citydave Star rating in Manchester, Naranjos.... 391 forum posts Send private message

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It's the only football highlight in the world mate. Nothing to ever come close


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15 Aug 2012 10:30 PM by citydave Star rating in Manchester, Naranjos.... 391 forum posts Send private message

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Dakey
Think you may find only your lot progressed with your bids. Without any doubt he knew he would have been only 5th choice striker if we wanted him

Bitter about what???????????? I think this little chuckle was thrown away with the stretford end banner and our  nonsense  horrible Munich songs


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15 Aug 2012 10:41 PM by Jay05 Star rating in We are in Los Naranj.... 1464 forum posts Send private message

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Michael Thomas at Anfield for me mate any day!!

And he was our best player but he's well knocking on now and with his injury record 24 million is tremendous business. The new boys are now in place and as I said earlier the Arsenal are better equipped than they have been for 6 seasons now and genuinely Dakey I'm not hurting at all mate. You have had it Ronaldo wanting to move on and I think he's a much bigger loss to utd than RIP is to the gooners.

Time will tell obviously and it's going to be an interesting season.

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16 Aug 2012 12:11 AM by shampers Star rating in Warrington & Jardin .... 1057 forum posts Send private message

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 I do remember Dakey wittering on this time last year about SAF buying good youngsters rather than players past their prime ...... or players like Aguero that nobody had heard of !!



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16 Aug 2012 12:56 AM by dakey Star rating in Manchester(Miggleton.... 2607 forum posts Send private message

shampers,

I think you will find that our policy of buying good young players and turning them into top players is alive and kicking as we have signed another 3 this year. I think also that RVP will only be at the back end of 32 when his 4 year deal is over, hardly past his prime, in fact just entering his prime years I would say and playing with better players without the stress of carrying the club will free him up to perform even better than at Arsenal. Cant see anything other than a red rout this season fellas, never mind theres always Jack Rodwell to fall back on.

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16 Aug 2012 2:52 AM by Jay05 Star rating in We are in Los Naranj.... 1464 forum posts Send private message

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I'll have a tenner Dakey that he don't score more than he did with Arsenal this season???

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16 Aug 2012 6:06 AM by georgeh Star rating in condado de alhama sp.... 1462 forum posts Send private message

 So a disatrous stock market debut in america has just about  handed the manchester yanks enough funds to buy rvp. you have to laugh at that!

As an aside anyone going to moldovia for england  world cup warmer game., If you do take a walk down the main high street. Its like a beauty/fashion parade. You will find some of the worlds most beautiful girls here in this quiet backwater which no one has heard of. The daily  100 seater plane from kiev is usually only half full but their will definitely be a large infux of tourists for this fixture but the stadium is tiny and the tickets hard to get so make sure you have one before you go otherwise you will pay a fortune.You dont need a visa to go there but unlike its neighbour romania the moldovans need a visa to travel as they dont have schengen status.

 

 



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16 Aug 2012 8:45 AM by georgeh Star rating in condado de alhama sp.... 1462 forum posts Send private message

 As starts to the season go, Manchester United’s could not be defined as a sprint from the blocks. 

Not on the field of play, as yet, but on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange. The club’s flotation is hardly a runaway success. Together with Facebook, they are in danger of sinking into the stock market relegation zone, on the point of ejection from the big time.

Hoping to sell off 10 per cent of their holdings in order to pay off some debt and channel some cash into their other failing businesses, the Glazer family anticipated that United shares would spin off at around $14 a piece. Some fanciful claims were made in order to flog the shares, not least the suggestion that the club has 659 million followers worldwide. 659 million followers? It’s a football club not an ant colony.

The NYSE was not impressed by such accounting. Nor were they by the figures coming out of the club about the cost of Glazer ownership.

Chelsea and Manchester City both went into huge debt in order to finance the purchase of players and coaches, Arsenal went into debt to pay for a new stadium, United were plunged into borrowing simply in order to facilitate the Glazer takeover.

The money chucked away during their ownership is now estimated at £553 million, comprising £295 million interest payments, £128 million debt repayments, £101 million for various bits of financial re-engineering (fees for takeover, refinancing, interest swap termination, bond issue and IPO) and £29 million payments to the Glazer family via consultancy fees and dividends.

In the last nine months alone, £79 million has disappeared from the club accounts: interest £43 million, bond buybacks £28 million, IPO professional fees £5 million and £3 million consultancy fees, not to mention £10 million dividends to the Glazer family to repay loans taken out previously.

Sure, if the club had remained a PLC, dividends and tax would have had to be paid. But Andy Green, the financial blogger, reckons if you take away what would have had to be paid out in PLC costs, the club has forked out £330million more than they would otherwise have done since the Americans parked their mortgage in the forecourt.

Investors don’t like such figures. Nor do they like the admission in the flotation prospectus that “our indebtedness could adversely affect our financial health and competitive position”. No s**t, Malcolm.

If you want to know how much the Glazers have affected United’s on-field competitiveness check out these figures: since 2005/06 United’s net spend in the transfer market is £68million. In the same period, Chelsea’s net spend is nearly £300 million while Manchester City’s is over £400 million. In 2008, United’s wage bill was £67 million higher than City’s. Now it is £21 million lower, a turnaround of £88 million in just three years.

Even the parasites themselves appreciate that debt needed to be removed from the club as a matter of urgency. But far from using the money accrued from the sale to pay down the borrowings, the Glazers revealed that half of it would be siphoned off elsewhere to prop up their fading property empire.

Ultimately only about 12 per cent of the debt is likely to be addressed by the float. Less major surgery of the problem at the heart of their ownership than a mild local anaesthetic.

Nor were potential buyers particularly thrilled by the Glazer offer involved in these shares. Ten per cent of the ownership was to be floated off but in return the buyer got nothing. No voting rights, no dividend. The only purpose in purchasing a share was the hope it might increase in value and thus there could be profit in its resale.

Well so far – despite some vigorous panic buying by the banks behind the flotation – it is not accruing what was hoped. The problem with such a flotation is it puts the Glazers’ assumption of what their asset is worth is being put in stark new perspective.

Forbes magazine recently reckoned United the “most valuable sports franchise” in the world, worth just over £1.6billion. If the stock price trades at somewhere closer to the £5 a share that more gloomy experts anticipate rather than the current bank-backed £14, the total would be put at somewhere closer to £500million. That is a dangerously low figure.

Sadly, what such a chastening flotation means is this: the Glazers are likely to hang around, dig in further for the long haul. Look at this logically. The family did not buy United because they loved football, were moved by the story of the Busby Babes or wanted to experience the atmosphere when Liverpool come to Old Trafford.

They bought it to make money. Bailing out now, when the club is approaching its lowest assumed value in a decade, would make no sense. They need independent valuation of somewhere north of £1.5billion to be tempted to part with the club.

Particularly as the torrent of cash generated by Sir Alex Ferguson’s operation shows no sign of abating. Where else in their empire of debt can the family members accrue management fees totting up to £20million? The money coming from fans’ pockets is the life-support system their leveraged-out business requires.

Of course, a Middle Eastern state development fund might be watching what is happening with City and think they too want a part of the Premier League’s promotional possibilities and might be prepared to part with silly money to get hold of the world’s biggest football brand.

But frankly that is the only way the Glazers will depart the scene any time soon.

And until they do go, it is United’s fans who will pick up the tab for the honour of being owned by the world’s biggest sporting asset strippers. 

They will be the ones obliged to watch as Chelsea, City, Barcelona and Madrid continue to move away over the horizon.

But hey, who are they to complain? After all, as their manager has pointed out, “proper fans” will recognise that the Glazers have been good for United.

Which, as observations go, is a bit like an oncologist telling his patient that, if he only stopped moaning and looked at the bigger picture, the rampant cancer currently ravaging his liver has been good for his body.



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16 Aug 2012 8:46 AM by dakey Star rating in Manchester(Miggleton.... 2607 forum posts Send private message

Jay,

I think Sir Alex will select him for a few more games than 11 this year, although he probably wont score more than he did at Arsenal for the simple fact that we have at least 4 top strikers to share the burden wheras you relied on him exclusively. We tend to buy good young players these days to ensure a return if they move on, good business practice and one that the bought out mid table johnies dont follow and that is why they get stuck with expensive flops that they cant move on. However, if you asked all Utd fans if they are worried about paying over the top for a world class older player now and again and end up with virtually no sell on value then if it enhances our chance to win things then to a man we say bring it on! We have plenty of ligitimately earned money being bled from our club by our owners so money for players is not something to protest about, Lets face it fellas, you would have loved to have kept him at Arsenal Jay and the rest of you would have been shouting it from the rooftops if you had signed him, so you are going to have to get used to UTD still being the top draw for players with ambition and thats the way it always will be. Still, theres always Jack Rodwell to fall back on!

Dakey




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16 Aug 2012 9:23 AM by citydave Star rating in Manchester, Naranjos.... 391 forum posts Send private message

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George

Your article is quite exquisite heh heh.




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16 Aug 2012 11:56 AM by SMV Star rating in I'm in Dublin/Jardin.... 722 forum posts Send private message

 Yep...a great summary of Utd's financial going on's.

RVP was good business for both teams...great money for Arsenal and they already had the replacements in place and for Utd a goal scorer that could possibly add that little bit to get the title back.

Frustrating to watch all these transfers and see Spurs are back to last year with the Modric saga.  We've got rid of a few but not much has come in.  Best signing so far is the manager. From the rumours going around we might be lucky to have a recognised striker in our squad come Saturday!!




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16 Aug 2012 12:01 PM by Jay05 Star rating in We are in Los Naranj.... 1464 forum posts Send private message

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Shane

 

Even I feel for you mate. That Adepaymor is some bit of work aint he? Where's Defoe rumoured to be going?

 

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16 Aug 2012 12:26 PM by SMV Star rating in I'm in Dublin/Jardin.... 722 forum posts Send private message

 He's some piece of work...price agreed and then he wants more from City.  Don't want him now as he obviously doesn't want to play...misses complete pre season with new manager.

Heard Defoe doesn't want to sit on the bench and the likes of Sunderland are sniffing around.  But I don't see how he will sit on the bench as he's the only experienced striker left!! 

Read AVB will go with Harry Kane up front for the start of the season if he has to...makes an intersting comparison with the other teams trying to make the top 4.




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16 Aug 2012 12:33 PM by dakey Star rating in Manchester(Miggleton.... 2607 forum posts Send private message

George,

You put some work into that mate didnt you, but that is why there is a breakaway club with a new stadium being built a stones throw away from Eastlands in moston (a breakaway Utd that will soon be bigger than City) All of us wo have stuck by the club dislike the Glazers intensely even though Sir Alex trots out the party line backing them. Your article is interesting but slanted, the fact that we have a huge fanbase enables us to compete with all the falsely financed pretenders and far from disappearing over the horizon we have out performed you all convincingly since the Glazers started raping our club and despite last seasons hiccup our signings and returning players from injury for this campaign will mean that superiority shows no sign of abating. For your own club and not withstanding your backs to the wall, extremely lucky cup successes you should really concentrate on improving your ever declining league position as I think 6th place doesnt really cut it mate for someone supposedly trotting off over the horizon.

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16 Aug 2012 5:15 PM by SMV Star rating in I'm in Dublin/Jardin.... 722 forum posts Send private message

 So it looks like the Modric saga is over...at long bloody last!!

That gives us a day to replace our playmaker....why oh why don't they sort this shit out a month before the season starts.

So it seems we will sell our playmaker, miss our midfield anchorman for a month or so, not have the leadership of King in the squad, and go into the season with one forward with any experience who has hardly played a full game in a year. Oh and with a new manager and system.  Now we'll see how good AVB is!!




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16 Aug 2012 6:27 PM by dakey Star rating in Manchester(Miggleton.... 2607 forum posts Send private message

Shane,

That sounds bad mate but it could have been a lot worse.... you could have signed Jack Rodwell!!

Dakey




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16 Aug 2012 7:07 PM by citydave Star rating in Manchester, Naranjos.... 391 forum posts Send private message

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You're tryin hard with Rodwell quips but no one is biting mate

I looking forward to him being one of our six scorers against you lot


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16 Aug 2012 8:02 PM by hayley_miller15 Star rating. 1 forum posts Send private message

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16 Aug 2012 11:13 PM by citydave Star rating in Manchester, Naranjos.... 391 forum posts Send private message

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Look on the city website. Someone you know on it??

Dave


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17 Aug 2012 12:02 AM by dakey Star rating in Manchester(Miggleton.... 2607 forum posts Send private message

Dave,

Brilliant gesture mate to have the Stand named after Dave Crompton for the day, personally it would make me puke but I know like you how much that god forsaken club means to him. Mind you when you and him squeeze into that stand on the day there wont be much room for anyone else in there. Anyway mate you are a big softie at heart well done that man!

Dakey




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