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I am with you tonymal, I too want my house. But we need to wait a few weeks to see what the banks and courts decide. Unfortunately what we want is not always what we get. I loved it up there and I saw the ideals that were set out to us, but it was planned to be a huge place and I do believe if it really gets started, people will start buying up there because it is so beautiful. We will have to wait and see. I am interested in what the spainsh are feeling. I don't think the courts will care too much of the fait of the money for us 'foreigners', but if there are alot of spanish purchasers involved, maybe there will be a little more fight in the relevant and important places!!
R-17 plot 63
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Hi all
I have been reading the posts on this and the SADM site since before christmas and I am very grateful for the amount of information that can be obtained here, as, needless to say, like a lot of other people whose agents, solicitors etc fall far short of keeping us up to date with accurate, unbiased news , we would be very much in the dark without your staggering commitment to keep the information fresh and flowing.
We are on the list of creditors ( i hope) as purchasers with no bank guarentee, so that if it does all go TU, then of course we will be wanting as much of our hard earned deposit money back as possible.
That said, the best possible outcome for us would be for the developement to go ahead as planned, and for our property to be completed.
So we would like to add our voice to yours and say 'WE WANT OUR HOUSE!
jonmol R7-8
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Hi Everyone
I just wanted to say after reading this thread, whether you have a plot or you don't, i don't think smart mouthed comments are going to help any one.
Most of the time i just read what is being said and laugh, most of you are dreaming, understandable of course, you have a long wait to get your money back for those who don't have bank guarantees.
Now strangely enough at the moment we do have a bank guarantee and our solicitor is in the process of getting out money back from the insurance company, now the initial fee we paid our solicitor to sign contracts, demand the bg etc... covers what we are asking them to do now, we asked how much we were looking to pay and they said it's part of your fee you paid in the beginning, now im sure they're are some hurdles to jump and tempers will flare and in the end will pay someone some money, but i know i will have my moeny and will look elsewhere for a property, i will have learned many lessons and know what to look for, but bank guarantee or no guarantee i would not want to stick around for a house that is never going to be built regardless of what some people are saying. San jose have lied, kept your money earning tons of interest of that and what have you had over the years, NOTHING!!!!!! They didn't have the decency to send an email, letter, i know i won't be treated like that, are you going to be ???????
Trust me there will never be jumilla....
Take care people
Jannine
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Hi All, just like to thank TonyMal & Brian for all their hard work & dedication in hopefully helping all those who still want to see our dreams fufilled, i too have just been informed that i dont have a bank guarantee but i intend to join them both in fighting for our houses, i have no intention of filling any Spanish or English Lawyers/Solicitors pockets with any of my hard earned cash, from a personal point of view i would much rather i would rather lose money by fighting for what i want than pay for something i dont want, everyone is entitled to their opinions & thats mine! Good Luck to everyone who prefers to try & get their money back i think it may be a long haul whichever way is decided. Mynesy R-19 204 I WANT MY HOUSE!
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for goodness sake people show some sense. the last person must be really rich or really silly to make such a silly comment. The legal route is not a long and drawn out process if the solicitor knows laws and have the political and volume levarge to utilise it. This is not taking san jose to court it is court appointed process and entirely different. Please read what people like Maria and Antonio say. there is a very strong possibility that you would get your money backwithout paying excessive and exorbitant fees
shout I want my house as loudly as you want but for goodness sake protect yourselves also. If you do not under the current circumstances then quite frankly you deserve no sympathy if you do lose all your money.
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Sarah, the problem is you just get slated by people like Tony and others.
it really seems to be that people have there heads in the sand - all this talk and threads about we control 1.2million in deposits, and 6.8 million euros in purchase price fail to understand the point San jose have run out of the money, the banks have run out of patience with san jose cavalier attitude to planning, courts cases, trying to rough ride lcoal communities etc etc.
So where is a company technically insolvent going to find 5 million euros just for a planning licence never mind further planning licences for the golf course which has been rejected.
I pulled out of this in 2005, fortunately before they started deducting 15% from clients deposits illegally, after I actually was given facts about San Jose.
1) no planning approval at Albatera
2) on habitation licences at playa golf or escritura's (even though people had moved in!
3) the fact another developer owned land at jumilla
4) green party, green peace fighting playa golf
5) fact they had taken albatera deposits and bought more land at calasparra, benferri
6) fact the jumilla deposits paid back albatera refunds
it has been lies, after lies, after lies
when i last at site I stormed into main office and found alumnedena in the office, (march 08) she still lied and said "planning licences were expected next month - 6 years after saying same thing) even though she knew the had paid no money, nor could afford the money
the issue with san jose i have to believe is bigger than credit crunch, or lack of liquidity in world markets. i think the problem is far deeper and stems from the fact the authorities are sick to the back teeth with developers refusing to adhere to planning laws. As a consequence the banks know all about develoeprs reputation and are clearly not willing to risk there funds with a developer which clearly misleads both the buyers but the authorities.
at playa golf they carried on building without licences and knowing they were being taken to court and more importantly carry on taking clients deposits knowing that there was a real chance of the development failing
they have no morals
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Sarah, in response to your last post i am neither incredibly rich nor silly, as i said "from a personal point of view" i would contemplate losing some of "my own money" fighting for what i think is right, obviously other buyers circumstances are different to mine and i fully respect their decisions & whilst i appreciate that forums are for people to voice their opinions i wonder if you have some kind of hidden agenda as ive noticed on previous posts youve been asked for your plot No yet for some reason continuously decline the request, please dont carry on trying to influence others with your opinion until you can back yourself up with proof that you are a buyer, i remain confident that our properties will be built & am fully committed to TonyMal & Brian in their pursuit of I WANT MY HOUSE... Mynesy R19 204
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What the heck is going on in the world!!!!!!!!!
Why would you want to purchase a house from a company that has let you down severely, i mean they could'nt let you down any more if they deflated you with an electric pump.
Every one has the right to say what they want regardless wether thay have a plot or not, others may want to hear what they say, and i think everyone on here is big enough to know what is right and what is wrong if you say NO to things then how can you be influenced by hidden agendas, I have to say this and it will annoy people but if you had any sense about you, you would never have parted with any money until bg were in place and you had seen them, lawyers are they're for a reason and no they are not free, everything has a price and if you look around you will find, without being ripped off.
I don't want to see anyone on this forum out of pocket at all, but i hope you are all realistic about the fact there will be no development, no dream house no nothing, jumilla is last in line believe me.
At least try to salvage some of the money you have paid, even if you do hope for the house, keep your options open, don't give san jose the pleasure of spending your money.
Take Care
Jannine
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alarm red why are you still following these forums when you pulled out in 2005?????? are you sad or just like to tell us all how cleaver you were or have you another agender
i still want my house malcolm and linda
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Hi All, TonyMal is doing a sterling job with the campaign.Is it not better to be pro-active and try to influence the adminstrators rather than roll over and die?Is it not better then to stand together and fight for our houses? I dont see the banks being in any hurry to refund our monies.People are saying they are not prepared to wait for their houses to be built, but the alternative could be an even longer wait for our de[posits. If the "I want my house" campaign isnt sucessful at least we can say we gave it our best shot. Cheers Joanniemac
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Hi ALL,
I can not access the reply mode from work but I read the site and I have abit of news.
When I saw that peolpe were being asked for money to get info that should be a public record I emailed and rang San Jose.
I asked why they could not supply us with the list from the Court and that people were concerned if they were on it and if the details were right. I pointed out that people are being told that they
need to have a solicitor act now to get the information for them and it has been said they may not get the letter from the Court. i alos asked why don't they tell us what is going on?
Their reply.....They said that they hae no access to the forum and wanted to tell us . I was told that they have handed the details of ALL clients to the Court and the Court will get them to send us the letters. I am awaiting a written response which i will post for you all.
I rang and emailed my solicitor and i have proposed the rational for how we approach the administrators and enter into dialogue and I ahve asked if he will support this. I have pointed out that there are a lot of us who want our houses and there are those who may of released equity in their UK property to buy at SADM with the intention of selling up and moving over. If they go for the money, they have to pay costs plus interst on the capital release and they can not buy a new home. They are stuck and I said this is intollerable and it must not be allowed to happen!
i am writing up a stratergy proposal for SARC plus the standard letter this Saturday and I will post it and the e mail addresses of papers on the site.
We now have the purchasing power of 4.4 million Euros and 1.87 million Euros of deposits. We are growing and that was the first stage of our battle! Coming together as one we can influence the outcome and use our money positivly
We now need to link up with other sites including the Spanish forums and ask them to join in and to say " I want my House"
All the best to you all, lets get our houses together
I want my House!
Tony R17 18
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HI TonyMal
I thank you and Brian for your hard work, and would love to see this come to fruition.... but I must point out that San Jose DO have a voice on this and other forums, as Javier was a regular poster until this administration process. And this flags the fly in the ointment for me. If San Jose had been honest with us and regularly communicated, we would feel must stronger about fighting for our house. For us personally, there is very little (if any) trust left, and this is what is causing our current dilema. In an ideal world, we would love our villa in Jumilla, despite the credit crunch, the strong euro against the pound and the rising interest rates.................. we could overcome them all, but how do we KNOW that even if they get permission to go ahead with the build, that this will ACTUALLY happen. I would need something written in blood (volunteers??).
Tracey
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BRICKS AND MORTAR FOLKS THAT'S WHAT WE ALL WANT NOW NOT PIPE DREAMS ANYMORE. THEY HAVE OTHER PERFECTLY FIND PROPERTIES TO PURCHASE THAT CAN BE BOUGHT.
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Hi martin brothers,
You are looking after your own interests and why make snide remarks about people excercising their financial power? Do you have any under standing of stratergy or how to influece large organisations? If you do not have anything constructive to say you can hold your peace! What is or was your plot number?
I want my house and i am going to get it!
Tony R17 18
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Hi Tracy,
I have just read down to your comment .When i spoke to San Jose they said that they were locked out of the site and could not reply. Yes i am not happy that this has come about but I am not going to dwell on it.
And Brianmags and I are following a plan, you should read my very first posting!
I want my house. Homes 4 All
Tony R17 18
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Hi Martin brothers,
i just saw your log on the administrators thread and retract the comment about your plot number .I am pleased that you have managed to resolve your situation. Unfortunatly as the money is all frozen it is not possible to move the depoisits about even if one wanted to. Good luck and sorry that you will not be a neighbour.
I do wish you well and hope it all goes OK for you both.
I want my house.
Tony R17 18
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Hi All,
Whist getting inforamtion for the posted report I contacted Cosat Blanca News and I have had a letter printed today . i have spoken to the editorial team and i will keep in touch with them .I post the copy I sent for you all to see below
May 26 2008
Dear Editor,
I write to you regarding the Administration of San Jose and to let you know that not all purchasers have the return of their money as their aim. I have purchased off plan on Santa Ana del Monte a Rosita that I have paid a large deposit on and I would prefer to continue with the purchase of my property. There are others like myself who believe that the administrators will wish to realise the purchases on the books of San Jose and that purchasers should support this.
It has been mentioned and said several times that administration is not the end of the company but a method of dealing with the effects of the credit crunch and cash flow problems.In the UK we have problems with banks not even wanting to lend to each other, hence the £50 billion injection of funds from the Bank of England.
As the administrators will wish to generate income to save the company and jobs they will seek a positive way forward that does not result in the lose of the contracted purchase income nor wish to be paying creditors before they need to. Nor would any bank or local official wish to be responsible not only for the loss of jobs, but also of the injection of money into the local economy at a time when it is truly needed.
I have looked into the cost and time scale of regaining the deposit paid and was appalled to find that it is 10% of the deposit and could take years. If on the other hand we support the continuation of the project, even if it is delayed, we would still get our properties and not have gone down a route that is very stressful, costly and would hang over one’s life like a shadow. We could end up with the tragic situation, where people who want their house get it and those who try to get their money see their house built, before the Court awards them the money that they have paid dearly to get back. Solicitors want us to go to try to get our deposits back; they make 10% if we do that, rather than 1% for us buying our properties!
I want my house, I know it may take time but I want my house. It makes no sense to me to be led into a costly exercise that has an outcome that will surely leave a bitter taste in my mouth. I and other purchasers prefer to voice loudly that we still want our properties, we wish to become your neighbours and join you in Spain.
I ask for your support in raising our voices with Jumilla Town Hall and Mayor plus ensuring that it is known that there are purchasers who want to proceed with their purchase and have not given up. The world is shrinking and it truly is now a global village and we need new solutions to new problems. It would be of help if the Costa Blanca News could join in and support this cause and apply the pressure of the press upon the bodies concerned. It would be of help also to know how the Spanish purchasers feel about this and if they too want their houses?
I want my House
R17
Yours truly,
Anthony Malpass
I hope those of you who have not joined up to SARC and say I want my House will join us now
All the best
Tony
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Tonymal
I find it difficult to find any fair logic in you placing the following statement in the local press.
'I have looked into the cost and time scale of regaining the deposit paid and was appalled to find that it is 10% of the deposit and could take years. If on the other hand we support the continuation of the project, even if it is delayed, we would still get our properties and not have gone down a route that is very stressful, costly and would hang over one’s life like a shadow'
It is not a factual statement and if not carefull may be even starting a mindset among people, administrators, and maybe banks that the investors in San Jose are prepared to accept such a small dividend on their investment.
You have no right to speak for me in the local press in this way and give such an impression to any readers.
I respect your right to campaign on this forum and i respect the right of anyone to have opposing views but........do not try to use me in a solution that you would prefer, in public. If i come across any methods that use my investment for their own ends, i will sue......promise.
Kindly take care in future
Brian
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Hi braindo55,
first you are not a SADM purchaser so what are you talknig about and secondly i ahve every right to speak for those who want thier properties.As for me expressing my opinion and that of those who agreed with me so I should. There were those expressing the opposite. I Ithought that was what democracy was about. Freedom to speak and express one self . And as for the cost and time scale I would like to know if you have your deposit back yet? At the Birmingham meeting which I beleive you did not attend it was stated it would take years and cost 10% of the deposit. If you do not like it take it up with the solicitorsa and courts I am only repeating what was said.
And by the way do not even try to threaten me with litigation you will have a very nasty shock. You are on the SADM forum and you have no investment in SADM do you?
All the best
Tony R17 18
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