I want my house

Tony

Yes but they do not have the right to try to stop SADM going ahead purely to action their BG

So let the concurso and HdT decide to allow the contracts to be resolved.........then everyones happy yes?

The BG's can get their money back, the non BG's can persue it through the courts, and SARc and whoever is left can carry on and get their houses..............

That sounds fair enough dosnt it Tony..............everyone can then do what they think is best..........it depends on them coming out of concurso..even you and Brian can't see the concurso lasting for ever can you????

So you will support them coming back into the real world and not hiding away then ...can you answer that?

Tony.

I once on this forum supported your right to your own opinion without being insulted and i still stand by this view.

BUT, BUT, you will also have noticed on a posting of mine not too long ago that said i am sick to death of people who pick on a particular point and then take it out of context, then twist it and come up with something completely different to try to prove their own point or agenda and you have done exactly that in your posting. You of course did not get away with it as, Magicmeg, Brian, FriendinNeed and Martinbrothers put you straight.

Now Tony, please listen to me and WATCH my lips.

I said and i quote:  It really [the bank guarantee] only covers late delivery or bankruptcy.

Quite honestly it does not matter whether or not SJ/HDT go bankrupt or not as people with a bank guarantee can still claim their money back on the late delivery part of the guarantee, which was my POINT.

I do not want them to go into full liquidation, i would much rather they went ahead and those that want their house will get it, because i will still claim my money back on the LATE DELIVERY of my bank guarantee. Is that clear enough for you Tony. Is it PLAIN enough for you?????????

If you continue to twist my words then it will just prove to people how infantile you really are and you really will start to lose peoples respect including mine.

Everyone on here are trying to look after their own interests and quite right too. If SJ/HDT going bankrupt helps them, so be it, but it is not a requirement to execute

peoples bank guarantees. So dont you dare accuse people with guarantees of being selfish.

I hope you think on this and be a little more HONEST with your future postings.

                Bob.      [ I hope everyone gets what they want ]

Tony, I wish you could understand that I cant imagine anyone not jumping for joy that SADM was about to recommence and you and others could have their houses and We could have our money back .

That's just not the issue here as well I think you know.

If  my Lawyer rang me tomorrow telling me all was well, its only going to be another 18 months (plus 3 for contingency), or you can have your money back.  I would take the Money and blessed run from this Company as fast as I could.  I honestly think you are missing the point now entirely. Everyone has asked and asked their lawyer repeatedly if SADM will go ahead in the forseeable future.  None but yours thinks it will?? Show the forum some evidence.  We  havent been sent one single letter despite the claims of better communication. No real apology. Nothing. 

There is no one who represents  SARC that can/has  offer ed anything but heresay from the crooks who stole our money.  Just a for instance here Tony, if your own boss (patients lives and all) ,who it could be proved was a liar and a thief and only feathered his own nest, asked you to justify his actions for harming a patient... would you support him because he asked you too????   Most of us would make sure his/her  feet didnt touch the ground on his way out of the back door.  No different just a womans point of view who has had 98000 stollen from her blatently. This company are looking to you to keep sweet those they have personally, through greed and mismanagement damaged financially.  Some wont be able to recover.

We are not selfish for wanting out money back.  You are not selfish for wanting your house.  Neither of us is likely to get anything like our wishes. Just try and see how upset it makes people feel when  they are critizied for wanting  nothing to do with these people.  Your just not be logical Tony.

Sal

So Magic Meg is JA   So ooooooo   !!!!!!!    what .

EOS ban people for nothing with no explanation or right of reply .Magic  meg was born from JA being unfairly banned due to unfair reports  and lies from Tony et al.  (I could not be MystIc meg as it was already taken  as a  user name ) I am sure if I was mystic meg everyone ,not just the smart people would have realised who I was staight away which was my intention  .

No big secret .

The strangest thing is `that as MM,  I tried to reason with SARC to no effect . I even recieved PMs from them in their desperate attempt to recruit new members to their hopeless little cause .

I am going to stop now as everyone knows you can bring a DONKEY to water but you can't make it drink. I will waste no more time on SARC it is pointless from now on I will ignore every stupid thing they say . SJ/HdT are crooks and liars anyone who thinks differently is a DONKEY . Nough Said ! Magic Meg  AKA JA

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Saddo  Septic Peg, Mystic Meg, magic Peg, who gives one JA

Saddo  Septic Peg, Mystic Meg, magic Peg, who gives one JA

Hi Bob,

I was not having a pop at you and when I wished purchasers with BGs good luck with them, I was thinking of you and the others who behave in a decent and respectable manner and if I upset you I am truly sorry.

KR
Tony

Hi ALL

•  Magicmeg. What a packs of rubbish no one has been PMing her trying to get her to join SARC . Purchasers join of their own volition and contact us, so cut out the stupid comments. As for JA we made no complaints about her, why would we, she was her own worst enemy and Magicmeg sounds and acts very much in the same way what a surprise.
  
• HdT. OK they are not the greatest company in the world and we made be very hacked off but does that mean we try to punish them by doing finacial harm to ourselves. 
   
•  We are trying to save our money, we are helping ourselves and that is by getting SADM built. If SADM does not go ahead it will cause us problems but not the Directors of HdT. They will go on and continue their lives and we will be trying to get money back over the years and locked in to pain and grief that a lot of us quite frankly can do without.
  
• The nasty little group did not deny that they are trying to get HdT liquidated and are trying to stop SADM going ahead. Now I am sorry but although HdT have dropped us all in it, they have been following the accepted practices in Spain, which we in the UK are not very happy about but it is a different culture and different legal system. However, the little nasty group have the same culture and morality as the rest of us and they have been quite nicely trying to stich us all up. I am sorry but I find that more abhorent!
   
• Bottom line  there is no money and has not been from a long time back (despite Ana Micklewright saying it was and never providing any proof) so what is the point of those us without a BG going for the money, taking legal action and spending more money and how on earth would it benifit us for SADM to not go ahead?  Sorry I can see no advantage to that, it just looks like a very big down side if SADM does not go ahead.
  
  So what do we do, well I  am sticking with my property rather than leaping out into the fire and getting well and truly burnt.
  

                   I WANT MY HOUSE AND A POSITIVE OUTCOME FOR ALL, INCLUDING THOSE WITH BG'S
 

Tony R17 18

Dear all in reply to magicmegs accusations

about trying to recruit her for sarc I have no option but to upload the be PM's that we exchange when I did not know she was JA. once again Magic or JA  you try and  spread lies about SARC and what we are trying to do.

I have never posted PMs before and would under normal circumstances never do but in this instance where someone has blatently lied I feel that I have no other option

and as for trying to get hyou banned that was none of our doing but your own I believe.

Thats the answer then

It dosnt matter if it takes 5 or 7 years, the best option is to stay with this developer and hope the house is going to be built.

How likely is it that the land will still belong to this company and the build be achieved?  How likely is it that this builder will get the finance to build such a complex?  How likely is it that they will suddenly decide to abide by the legal obligations and give you the deal your hard earned money deserves?

How likely is it the builder will be able to write new contracts to its customers with any reasonable chance of fulfilling them?...........................How likely is it that saying i want my house and printing off a few private PM's will achieve any of this for any of the members of the SARC initiative.

I feel like banging all your heads together and taking you to the NHS psychiatric ward sometimes...........its pathetic.

People its not only not likely.............its a no brainer.............it can not be done..............you have to make something happen and defend your position.....not just do nothing and stamp your feet

Hi Briandoo,

                     Once again you have missed the point of the last posting it was to refute the lies posted earlier no foot stamping involved just the bare bone facts which some of you try and rubbish but truth will out in the end.

goodnight

Brianmags

R4 556

I Want My House

and for all to get the outcome they wish for including their money back if that is their wish

Not sure what brianmags and tony are on but that must be good stuff!!

I am gob smacked at the lengths Tony and Brian mags will go to for this pie in the sky company.

If we all ignore all of the last postings  ie who JA is and who said what to who , the facts are still the same SJ/HdT are and always will be a bunch of crooks who care not a jot for those that have funded them and their future exploits  .Tony can't you see this now . Pleeeeeease !

For the record purchasers can execute their BG s now while the crooks are  still in concurso  no need to wait until full bankruptcy which is  just  around the corner any way  .

Only trouble is the crooks could have made it much easier for all of us but  have made a bad situation intolerable and a scam  .If they had one ounce of decency they could have saved us all a lot of pain and the courts a lot of traffic .Did they want a jam ? Does it suit their cause  ? 

 As it is they are making it almost impossible for anyone with a BG to claim .

7.8% of purchasers have a BG and  Yes this is another scam the company  who hold  a lot of our BGs are a company that  SJ /HdT  have a major interest  in .The  financial organisation that issued our BGs .Surprise Surprise is a part of SJ . Well f me those with BGs are just fine  ! eh Tony  !

 Tony !  if you say one more word about those with BGs being OK I will flip my lid . I wont miss you and will persue the mis information you have given with every legal option open to me both in Europe and the UK  .You are a stupid ignorant

ill informed  wee man  !!!!!!!!!!!!!! MM /JA

 SARC have the interests of SJ/HdT at heart we want SJ /HdT to do well and we wish you to do the same !!!!!!!! We  are stupid and  misguided but really like SJ /HdT and want you to like and trust  them too ? Wishing you all the best in your new home at SADM ?????????????????
 

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OK folks I've read enough where have all those helpful posters gone,  they are fed upreading this dross                  SO

For god's sake GROW UP you lot

The LOT of US are going nowhere fast not even one of us, the sooner SJ are made bankrupt the better for all of us, this forum can be shut down, and we can all get on with life instead of reading a load of rubbish because nobody has anything else to offer

Pretty much sums it up Linda

lets get them out of concurso and get this show on the road

"The LOT of US are going nowhere fast not even one of us" Are you including those who in recent months have had their BGs honoured?

"the sooner SJ are made bankrupt the better for all of us" Maybe, but what is that based on?

"get on with life instead of reading a load of rubbish because nobody has anything else to offer" So why bother to read, let alone comment if you find it doesn't help in any way?

Hi Magicmeg.

You say and i quote:  The financial organisation that issued our bank guarantees Surprise Surprise is a part of SJ. Well i for one would be interested to know where you got your information from. I sent you a PM asking for more details but you did not answer, although in fairness you did say that you were having trouble reading your PMs.

The fact is that even if the company that have given some people a bank guarantee are in actual fact connected with SJ or HDT it really makes NO difference because if that company are still solvent and not in administration or liquidation themselves, then no matter what the connection with SJ or HDT, they will still have a legal duty to honour those bank guarantees, by law. When the court starts to deal with those claims, that company will still be held liable, whatever or not their connection with SJ or HDT.

That company can try and stall, with or without the help of SJ or HDT but at the end of the day, the judges and the courts do NOT have an axe to grind and i am sure by and large are basically true and honest, if not then god help us all, now and in the future. If corruption is rife with the judges and the courts there is no hope for any of us ever and i really do not believe that.

                                  Bob.

Hi All,

I find Bob's posting quite sensible and I am in agreement with him. May I also add that a Bank Gaurantee is .......issued by a bank.

I find the posts actually wanting HdT to be liquidated amazingly selfish and very shortsighted.

There is no money and for those of us without a BG to get anything back they would have to sell the assets. So how much would they get in the current economic climate and how long would it take? Can we please calm down and drop all the angst about HdT, that is not what we should be focusing on. What we should be focusing on is preventing our money being lost and getting SADM going. This would generate income to pay back those who want their money back and give homes to those who want them. Seems very reasonable to me.

As for misinformation it is not I nor SARC giving out but  it appears to be done by JA in all of her surprising guises (kindly stop the threats). As much as she may not like it being said those with BG's should get their money back and it is unacceptable for her and a few others to try to prevent SADM going ahead and probably causing around 90% of purchasers a lot of financial grief!

Yet again some appear to fail to comprehend that SARC is not a HdT vehicle but a purcahsers' association acting to try to save purchasers deposits and get them a positive outcome. The Rights group recently adviced that purcahsers without Bgs should go for the property and get an asset.

So I  WANT MY HOUSE AND A POSITIVE OUT COME FOR ALL

Tony R 17 18

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SO why not go for one of the already built property options from anither developer who will buy Hdt debt and offset it against your original purchase

Not selfish or short sighted just downright honest I personally have given them 3 years and no goods recieved it isonly my personal opinion of how i would like to see things go I like you want a positive outcome for all

(fingers toes, knees crossed) 

Comments removed as Tiger would not have understood. He has difficulty understanding facts.
 

Took the post off because i decided i have had enough for now.
 

Good luck to you in the meantime...............nothing will happen unless you make it...........and if you dont make it.....you will lose everything, is the only comment i can give right now