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31 May 2008 6:14 PM by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message


Hi everyone,
I thought that it was as well to copy the latest from the Costa Blanca News to ballance the opinion of the Solicitors remember that these are their opinions. I include all the likns that came with the article.

News south

Costa Blanca News Online


Creditors must register now

San José customers face deadline to retain their investments

By Alex Watkins
THE COURT has accepted the application for the voluntary suspension of payments (concurso de acreedores) for the companies San José Inversiones and Herrada del Tollo and the details have now been published on the company website www.sanjosegrupo.com.

Three administrators for each company – an economist, a lawyer and a savings bank –have already been appointed by the judge.

They will now be responsible for authorising any of the companies’ activities and negotiating their financing with banks and savings entities.

A meeting of clients of Grupo San José took place in the UK last Sunday, organised by the Eye on Spain website.

One of those attending told CB News it attracted some 150 people who were concerned to know what may become of their own property investments in Spain.

She bought a house on the El Pinet site in La Marina, which currently is just a concrete framework.

The project had been held up in court for 18 months after objections by an ecological group.

San José has indicated that it hopes to finish this urbanisation but needs the town hall to approve building licences and get the approval of their administrators.

The Herrada del Toro site in Jumilla is considerably behind this, as not all of the land for the development has yet been expropriated from its current owners, reported the company last week.

Legal firm Irwin Mitchell offered to represent these clients during the process of either supervising the completion of their houses or trying to recover their deposits.

This would cost them each a further 2,000 euros as well as 10% of their current investment, notes the firm’s literature.

Gustavo Calzado, a lawyer for Irwin Mitchell, told CB News that they could not speculate at this stage whether any of the properties are likely to be finished.

He noted that the administrators would decide if any development can be completed or the possibility may exist of being offered another property on a completed development.

He explained that the legal process entails two other possibilities for the future of the company.

“They could then try to reach an agreement with the creditors by proposing to reduce the total level of debts or spreading them out into a longer term calendar of payments,” informed Sr Calzado.

“Otherwise they would proceed to the liquidation of the company’s assets in which case creditors would receive a share according to a predetermined ranking system.”

In either case, to be considered as a creditor it is imperative that clients register their interest within 30 days of when the acceptance of the concurso is published in the BOE (Official bulletin of the province).

Speculation as to the value of the company’s assets has varied between 300 and 400 million euros, but until the process is completed it is impossible to confirm this or the exact amount of their debts.

“We cannot say for sure when or how much clients might recover,” admitted Sr Calzado.

awatkins@cbnews.es

brianmags 

we want our house R4 556




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01 Jun 2008 12:37 AM by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message

Hi Everyone and all members of SARC
 I belive that the last posting verifies tonymals statement as to the position with regards the leagal professions stance and (the possible costs involved and outcome) in that what he stated was confirmed in the article in the Csta Blanca News (free paper) and that there are a varity of view points from the leagal professions as to the outcomes.
we definatley want our house and community
brianmags R4 556


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01 Jun 2008 7:57 AM by sarah12345 Star rating. 29 forum posts Send private message

That is simply not true. It  verifies the position of one legal company whose only priority is to make money. It does not signify the whole legal profession response

Since when did Irwin Mitchell represent the legal profession and since when did you represent the views of the owners at santa ana.

Your viwes are slanted, not objective and are irresponsible to publish anywhere outside this and other forums.




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01 Jun 2008 8:53 AM by kalghotra Star rating. 42 forum posts Send private message

01 Jun 2008 11:04 AM by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message


Dear Sarah and Kalghorta
please do not try and twist my words as I clearly said this I quote

"and that there are a varity of view points from the leagal professions as to the outcomes."

Line 3 of my last posting.
I also made no claims to be representing anyones views but my own please children do read your homework before replying so that at least you can make a valid and reasoned argument. I do dislike debating when clearly the otherside is unarmed and defenceless
yours most respectfully 
brianmags R4 556 
we still want our house



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01 Jun 2008 12:56 PM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

Hi All,
That includes the little negative cohort. 
This was posted on the ambasun office closed? thread by Claire T and i quote

"I was also at the San Jose office earlier in the week to do with some snagging and they said they are working as usual.  I was told that the administrators had been out to visit the main office in Orihuela but they didn't seem to know much more than that.   My lawyer is convinced that SADM will go ahead and she told me that there was no problem with the water as the land has full water rights."


So lets keep up with  I WANT MY HOUSE!

Any purchaser who would like to join SARC and the Iwant my House campaign but is put off doing so on the public forum may do so by personall message to Brainmags or myself.

All the best and be positive
Tony R17 18



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01 Jun 2008 1:18 PM by 4749annjoe Star rating in blackpool lancs. 50 forum posts Send private message

Hi Tony
Regarding water on sadm, you may want to read the post on Spanish Property Insight - Spanish Property Black Spots.
A Post on there has an article on water for Jumilla, I would suggest that you read it and ask your solicitor to look into it
it dose not look good for Jumilla if he has got his facts right.
I would have put it on here but I don't know how to - not a computer geek.

Kinf regards
Joe & Ann


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01 Jun 2008 1:30 PM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

Hi 4749 Annjoe,

I will look into it. However, the Jumilla area has been cultivated with vineyards etc and is known for its wines. 
Spain unlike the UK manages its water resources very well.
All the best  and thanks for the tip.
I want my House
Tony R17 18




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01 Jun 2008 1:44 PM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

Hi 4749 Annjoe,

I have had a look and not too concerned by the posting. Spain has plans and is implementing them to improve its water supply. Indeed Barcelona is having a desalination plant built to improve its water supply and why the water at SADM is to be recycled for use it the communal green areas, and it does rain up there, i have been in it.

All the best 
I want my House
Tony R17 18




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01 Jun 2008 2:40 PM by mab53 Star rating. 13 forum posts Send private message

Quote from the Spanish Property Insight - Blackspots to which 4749 AnnJoe refers:

"Buyers should be aware that the Segura Water Authority, CHS, is in an emergency drought alert state and has been since 2005. The Tajo water transfer project is proving to have been a failure and caused more problems than it has solved. And now that the Spanish Government has been reelcted as of the 9 Mar 08, there will be another 4 years without the Ebro water transfer. This puts projects such as the Jumilla Santa Ana Golf in an unsustainable position. Buyers need to insist knowing exactly how these golf resorts are going to be supplied with water now, and in the future. Otherwise you could be throwing your money down the drain!"




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01 Jun 2008 3:01 PM by briando55 Star rating in Yorkshire. 1982 forum posts Send private message

Hi Brianmags/ Sarah

Thanks for the article from costa blanca news, its informative and has some reporting about a particular meeting and solicitor.

It looks to me that the solicitors meeting reported on was maybe an exercise in a large firm trying to capitalise on a situation and offering assistance at a high price.  I would hope the people who were there were able to be objective about how they protect their interests and not too vulnerable to get caught up in any mass hysteria or drum banging.

The rates for assistance by Abagados are accesible, i contacted 4 lawyers and spoke to them before settling on the one i was using, before the Irwin Mitchell meeting.

The possible outcome reported on in the article in Costa Blanca news is nowhere near the outcome placed in the press as factual by tonymal.

The cost of 10% is the charge of one particular solicitor, the creditor ranking when being paid out is determined by the administrator.  As reported in CBN

What i read the other night was that it was a fact that we were going to receive 10% of our money back unless we go ahead with having the houses built.

It does not take much to go back and read this statement again, i urge you to do that and ask that information like that is not presented as factual.  Apart from being wrong Its just plain selfish.

The Spanish do have a water problem, there have been tankers of water shipped into barcelona to help out what the government described as a 'water crisis'.  Not that the water problem is unsolvable by professionals but It would be foolish to try and say there is no water problem, there is.  Environmentalists and opposing politicians can use the crisis to stop golf courses being built, if it wins votes.......it would be nieve to think otherwise.

Anyway thats all from Stalin for now, just to say dont report stuff in the press that is not factual and may affect my investment.

Brian


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01 Jun 2008 3:07 PM by led Star rating. 12 forum posts Send private message

Mab53 you are banging your self against a brick wall trying to get tony and brian to understand this.

they seem to believe that jumping up and down is going to change:-

1) economics - san jose realise that they cannot continue with project 9no money, no planning, golf course unstainstable, 2003 pricing, etc etc).

2) jumilla council have rejected several golf course developments for exactly the reasons you have eluded to. all other developers did not collect 30% and 50% deposits on the basis "it may get sorted" but more ethically did not promote developments.

3) the regional councils in area have recently enforced statue of reuseable water on golf courses, only to realise that even this sensible idea only works with sizeable community using golf course daily. Polaris resorts - similar in size are proving to be extremely unworkable. Owners on those resorts are now faced with community bills to underpin golf course meaning community bills reaching 400 / 600 euros per month or allow golf courses to be public. As they paid a market price for a private retreat they are not happy.

the error of san jose plan has become public knowledge for 3 years yet we have not reach insolvency and with this impass of views


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01 Jun 2008 3:16 PM by joecarol Star rating in Canada del Trigo. 4 forum posts Send private message

Hi ALL
   Can anyone tell me how many clients are using PSI Consultants to represent there case against San Jose.
                                                                                                                        I WANT MY HOUSE
                                                                                                                                       JOECAROL

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01 Jun 2008 3:19 PM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

Hi Briando55,
Where has it been said that we will only get 10% of our deposit back if we do not get our houses built?Oh and SADM golf course is a public one!
And yes  Iwant my House
Tony R 17 18 


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01 Jun 2008 3:34 PM by briando55 Star rating in Yorkshire. 1982 forum posts Send private message

Hi Tonymal and others reading this for the first time.

Not sure what game your playing here but i prefer to stick to the facts.

I have not made any comment about the golf course at Santa Anna being public or not.

You on the other hand printed

How much to get my money back? They asked for an initial sum of 2000 Euros and then 10% of your deposit. Yes 10% + 2000 Euros of your money (if you decide to follow the legal route to get your money back).....
On 25th May

and

'I have looked into the cost and time scale of regaining the deposit paid and was appalled to find that it is 10% of the deposit and could take years. If on the other hand we support the continuation of the project, even if it is delayed, we would still get our properties and not have gone down a route that is very stressful, costly and would hang over one’s life like a shadow'  On 30th May

Thanks

Brian











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01 Jun 2008 3:45 PM by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message

Dear Brian doh!!,
                      I really like to hear all sie but extractcting patial extracts from a sentence parragraph is an old tactic to twist what the actual statemnet stated were It is well known that Her Gorbells was a past master at this because unless the full parragraph is read it can be made to sound totally different just like statistics don' you Agree. well thats all from me all I ask is that people read the full story which is available on line and make their own decisions. and hope all get what they really want there is always many view esspecially when it comes to lawyers and how they interperate what they say. But head banging against the wall and all that  I still want to have a HOME there

we still ant our house
brianmags R4 556
                     


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01 Jun 2008 3:51 PM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

Hi Braindo55,

You said quote
"What i read the other night was that it was a fact that we were going to receive 10% of our money back unless we go ahead with having the houses built."

Well any one who is literate can read that I was refering to legal costs, which, by the way was agreed with by an article in the CBN. Try reading and digetsting before shooting off and misrepresenting others. 
And here is the complete parragraph so al can see just how badly you misrepresented it. Do you have no shame?

 
"I have looked into the cost and time scale of regaining the deposit paid and was appalled to find that it is 10% of the deposit and could take years. If on the other hand we support the continuation of the project, even if it is delayed, we would still get our properties and not have gone down a route that is very stressful, costly and would hang over one’s life like a shadow. We could end up with the tragic situation, where people who want their house get it and those who try to get their money see their house built, before the Court awards them the money that they have paid dearly to get back. Solicitors want us to go to try to get our deposits back; they make 10% if we do that, rather than 1% for us buying our properties!"

If you can make such a bad misquote of my posting how many other coments have been made that do not stand up to scrutiny? I think that it is sad that as more and more information is posted that you still try to attack what has allready been stated by other solicitors, even on this site and in the press.
As you are not a purchaser at SADM and are not in the same position as those of us who are I do not give your comments any weight.
Good luck and good bye
I want my house
Tony R17 18
 



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01 Jun 2008 4:00 PM by briando55 Star rating in Yorkshire. 1982 forum posts Send private message

Hi there.

I agree on statistics, i always think of the man with one foot in a block of ice and the other foot in a bowl of boiling water, statistics tells him he is comfortable but in reality he loses both his feet.

Thats probably why i tend to be impartial and sensible in my views.  Pointing out sometimes that i wish to protect my investment, when the water gets too heated or too cooled by others.

Have you been studying Stalin and Herr Goebels for long between you....It seems your experts on these kind of people and i am beginning to wonder why.  

Maybe its a kind of propoganda thing.....which reminds me how are the letters to the administrator coming along by the way?  I bet they are so impartial and sensible that you will share them with me.

Brian





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01 Jun 2008 4:12 PM by briando55 Star rating in Yorkshire. 1982 forum posts Send private message

I have read it again and its still ambigous.....

Its a scare tactic to make a point..............it wouldnt pass scrutiny of a reasonable organisation.

What i will say is that if this is misread or misquoted, its been viewed the same way by others too.

My only concern is that you dont make it any harder for me to protect my investment, by attempting to distort facts.

I dont have to be a purchaser at SA nor do i have any obligation to think of the weight you give my comments.  I will continue to monitor my investment from all angles and if your campaign affects my investment or outcome, i will say my piece........count on it.

Best wishes

Brian

 



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01 Jun 2008 4:14 PM by mab53 Star rating. 13 forum posts Send private message

To Brianmags and TonyMal,

Isn't this all getting a bit childish with personal insults and the like ?

If you are leading an 'I want ny house' campaign you have a responsibility, to those you are trying to convince, to put forward the full and true facts, not clouded by any opinion, supposition or predudices of your own so that people can decide, fairly, if they want to join your campaign.  

You are, of course, welcome to your personal opinions and predudices but should not voices these as part of your campaign otherwise the it does cloud the issues.

Personally, I no longer want my house in Jumilla - absolutely the contrary - I want my deposit back with interest as laid down in Spanish law - something which San Jose and it's shell company Herrada del Torro have riden rough shod over from the start of SADM.

How can anyone want to have a house built by San Jose when all they have done from the start is lie and broken the law.  They have not ring-fenced the deposit money in a seperate account as required by law, they have not given everyone a bank guarantee as required by law and they have built without licenses on this and other developments.
What hope is there that they will suddenly do what is right ?  And what about the golf course and hotel etc which do not  have a building license and from the sounds of it, will not get one ?  What future is there for SADM without the full infrastructure to make this development work ?


Michael.


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