Form 210 in English, and with instrutions

PJCK    I have sent you by PM,  a copy of one of the 210's I submitted last year.

It is for your personal attention.   

I hope it helps you.

johnzx Thank you, that is great help.
However my form looks little bit different

And for income (profit) from letting I pay quarterly.
Rest of questions I have done like you have (of course with different numbers and personal details).

I am slowly giving up, I will have to pay some accountants only for the reason of the online form not working properly.
In the UK I do my self assesment without any problem - although the form is longer.

Don't give up, just follow the advice and help from others who have done it themselves. 

John said: "Forget about trying to claim deductions". So forget it - as a non-resident, declaring income from a property, you don't get any deductable allowances. Just accept it, this is Spain. If you want to deduct expenses and talk about profit / loss etc., form a company and run your property as a business.

PJCK

I have only completed  210's  to pay the imputed tax on properties which did, and do not provide income.

I believe, if one is paying tax on an income (from letting) then one does not pay imputed tax for the same period (and that in that case one may be able to deduct expenses, which would explain that part of the form. )

It may be in your case, the built-in software is detecting that you are trying to do pay imputed tax and income tax for the same periods and it is that what is bring up the error.

PS  I have sent you a web address where you may find useful info  ( I think it would be against forum rules to post it here).

PJCK, I admire your tenacity, but is it really worth the hassle?  

You mention you might throw in the towel and use an accountant, but you may want to use aa UK based specialist - I recommend Spanish Tax Forms who've done mine for the last 10 years ago.  Their service is absolutely first class and charge £25 or so.

This year I gave them the revised Catastral Value and received the two sets of forms in the post the very next day.  

I don't regard this as a cop-out.  If it was a regular tax to be done every month or so I would do it myself, but once a year is a different matter and life's too short.  You might also make a mistake a pay too much - I doubt if they would tell you.  So for me the £25 makes a lot of sense.

Thank you Acer.
Yes, I have found accountants. But I will keep this one too in my records.

Anyway, I am not afraid I would pay too much. Rather opposite...
 

PJCK, I admire your tenacity, but is it really worth the hassle?  

You mention you might throw in the towel and use an accountant, but you may want to use aa UK based specialist - I recommend Spanish Tax Forms who've done mine for the last 10 years ago.  Their service is absolutely first class and charge £25 or so.

This year I gave them the revised Catastral Value and received the two sets of forms in the post the very next day.  

I don't regard this as a cop-out.  If it was a regular tax to be done every month or so I would do it myself, but once a year is a different matter and life's too short.  You might also make a mistake a pay too much - I doubt if they would tell you.  So for me the £25 makes a lot of sense.

Yes, Acer you are very correct, from the onset I read this I thought the same, my Solicitor / Accountant in Spain charges me 50€ to do all my tax forms and never had any problems from Spain's tax man, reminds me of the saying something like when a person represents himself in court he has a fool for a client...Or something like that.

Baz1946 I kind of agree.

"A man has gotta know his limitations..."  A line from a Clint Eastwood film said by the man with steely snake eyes and gritted teeth, that I've remembered for many years and believe is very true.

But not so sure about your quote - I've found all solicitors incompetent in both the UK and Spain (at least the latter are a lot cheaper).  (Sorry off thread a bit, but felt the need to repeat my hate for the breed).

Acer  I've found all solicitors incompetent in both the UK and Spain  

A bit all-embracing but I tend to agree, although completing 210's is so straightforwrd that even a professional would probably get it right.

I complete the 210’s for my son and daughter-in-law not to save them the 200 euros it might cost for their four 210’s but because it is a lot easier for me to do it that way, only takes me about 20 minutes, and it saves them the effort.

As I have said before, I also do the 210’s for a couple of friends too, because they would not be able to do it, and in their cases, to save them the fees as they are on the breadline.

Each to his own John.  Personally I find the jobs I struggle with and avoid are those that occur infrequently.  Perhaps part of the problem is that I have no interest in form filling as invariably they also want you to reppeat information they already know, or don't really need.  

So when I can sub-contract for a nominal fee it's a no-brainer.  

We're all different.  I can very happily spend  many hours working in the garden, or DIY stuff where I find even the most menial jobs rewarding.

Filling the form took 5 minutes, for me. Unfortunately, I couldn't submit it.

That's what is annoying. It's sensless.   

It's not senseless - it's Spain.

pjck: you obviously own a property in Spain, if not actually living in Spain, so you are in it up to your neck. If you don't calm down and get used to it you will surely go mad. So, either 1) take the advice of those who choose to avoid the stress and hassle and pay a professional to do it (quite often at ridiculous prices for doing incredibly little) or 2) take a deep breath, and try to figure out why you can't submit your return. Others can, so you are probably doing something that the crappy system doesn't like. You need to figure out what. Forget logic, throw common sense out the window and just accept that very few govt. or official websites in Spain work properly and the user has to re-learn how to operate what should be very simple forms & systems. Patience.....try again mañana! 

When it comes to the form I am sure I fill it properly (I have seen other forms filled in completely same way, point by point).
I've been even advised to change the browser (somebody's form worked properly in Mozilla, didn't work - in Chrome)...

I reckon Roberto's take is right, the Spanish have a deep rooted submissive attitude towards authority - probably connected to being ruled by a dictator who didn't tolerate any criticism for 35 plus years.  But if they accept things the way they are, we have no hope of change.

I used to think that the rolling eyes couple with the "this is Spain" comment was from the English, but I've heard Spanish folk say it often too.  A bit of bending with the wind is required, or you'll go bonkers.

Well, I can bend, but to what... not working form?  If I only knew how to do it...

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Anyway, in regards of Spanish and their submissive attitude... "Authority" is an English word and it is used to name institutions - while in other languages "authority" is only something your can get from others (like confidence). So an institution (doesn't matter have powerful) may "have authority" or may have not...

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But yes, I agree, one Don Qixote is enough... or I am not going to hit my head against a brick wall.

I need an idiots guide to paying my non residence tax. Bought a property end of last year and not paid the tax yet. I have found the form 210 on the agencia tributaria, but I can't find the numbers mentioned in previous posts on this thread. I know how to work out the tax, but i'm struggling with the form. DH says "just pay our solicitor to do it for us" I would rather not. His fee is probably double the tax itself! 

Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer me.

EDITED to add: when I look at the section: examples of completion, I can only see forms for income/earnings obtained. We don't rent out our property so I'm not sure which form applies to us. Why do they make this so friggin' complicated? 

"Why do they make this so friggin' complicated?"?
Simply - in that way it is easier to blame you for some mistake and fine you. This is the way tax offices work in many, especially poorer, countries.
The other reason is it is another way of showing their power.
Third reason - if things were easy, quick and straightforward, an army of clerks and their colleagues lawyers would have much less to do - which means manny of them would not be needed.  

Anyway, this element is not the most complicated one. There are much worse...

When you don't have any income you pay it only once a year and your tax is based on your house's cadastral value.

catlady

You don't need to pay your solicitor to do your 210 form. I too am uncomfortable filling in the form. If you google Form 210 Spain, you will companies that will do it for you at the fraction of the cost of your solicitor. It's the way I do it and is worth it for piece of mind.

Go to Citizens Advice Spain site. They have easy guides on how to complete the forms, when you need to do it, how to do it and you can download the forms.

They have examples on how to fill it in in English and so on.

Just stick citizens advice spain form 210 in the search box. 

Youdon't need to pay ANYBODY. I have found best advice on Andalucian Forum http://www.andalucia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27897
It is very easy.
The harder part is subsmission of that. Of course, when you live in Spain you can just print it and take it to your bank.
But when you live for example in the UK you have to use special software you can obtain only in person in SpanishTax Office. This is complicated and it doesn't work properly - for example when you try to submit it as a non-resident it says does not associate you with your bank account...
Why? Becouse foreigners' accounts are registered on their passport number and in Tax Office they use your NIE number to identify you.