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14 Aug 2015 3:59 PM by Tadd1966 Star rating in Los Montesinos. 1755 posts Send private message

Having read the thread on hetaing your home in Spain it drifted a bit about claimingteh winter fuel allownce whilst here in Spain.

There are many people here in spain working illegally (illegal taxis, key holding, house cleaning, tradesman, bar staff etc. to name a few) some ex pats still claim benefits (jobseekers, income support, child benefit etc.) from UK.

If you know anyone is working illegally and / or claiming benefits  are you obliged to make a report - would you?

Do honest tax payers suffer and subsidse these dodgers?

I know you can report anon to UK but not anon in Spain

 

 



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14 Aug 2015 4:15 PM by johnzx Star rating in Spain. 5255 posts Send private message

If you know anyone is working illegally and / or claiming benefits  are you obliged to make a report ?

I believe,  just like in UK the answer is No.

However,  I did have a chat one time with Sky Satellite TV and they said they got lots of info from next door neighbours, friends etc about illegal reception in Spain and elsewhere but chose to ignore it.  So I guess there is a lot of 'shopping' going on and not just as the supermarkets !





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14 Aug 2015 4:19 PM by Hephaestus Star rating in The Peak District Na.... 1235 posts Send private message

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14 Aug 2015 5:31 PM by mariedav Star rating in Ciudad Quesada. 1136 posts Send private message

Tadd1966 "I know you can report anon in UK but not Spain".

Yes you can. The problem is so rife the DWP set up a confidential hot line in Spain on 900 554 440.





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14 Aug 2015 5:37 PM by Tadd1966 Star rating in Los Montesinos. 1755 posts Send private message

mariedav

yes for UK benefit fraud via free phone in spain or web but i do not think you cannot report offences in Spain anon (eg theft, illegal workers, tax fraud etc)



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15 Aug 2015 8:22 AM by johnzx Star rating in Spain. 5255 posts Send private message

Tadd is right. In Spain one must make a denuncia (a report) and of course to do that you must produce ID and sign the report.

Even when I assist a person who is making a report, or a person being interviewed at the police station (comisaria) my NIE is added to the report.





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15 Aug 2015 10:50 AM by Tadd1966 Star rating in Los Montesinos. 1755 posts Send private message

johnzx

if you are "assiting" someone filling in a report at a police station you effectively become a witness (or some may say a party of the complaint) which is why your NIE will be recorded

We are drifting a bit

My orginal point about reporting illegals - would you do it?

One of the reasons people may give is because they would prefer to remain anon but as we have discussed this is not possible in Spain

So should we shop/ report illegals who commit crimes or not

what is your breaking point

what if affecetd you or your family directly

do we turn a blind eye far too often

does spaine need a anon hotline - would it help or cahneg your view



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15 Aug 2015 1:53 PM by MagicWriter2015 Star rating. 20 posts Send private message

As someone who still lives in the UK, but would love to be able to spend at least half the year in Spain I think if you do not report these people you are every bit as bad as them.  The government are cracking down on benefit fraud over here, but as usual, they go after the easy targets first who are generally the genuine claimants.  They are being made to jump through hoops to get their benefits back, whilst the 'scroungers' are getting away with it.  If we all reported folk we know to be scroungers ( a lot of them brag openly about it), we would then be helping genuine people which is what the Welfare State was originally designed for. I am sure it would be easy enough to go onto your laptops/pc/tablets and report them through the DWP site and request anonymity. If you got to see all these benefit programmes they are showing over here at the moment it would break your heart one moment ( people struggling to get what they were entitled to) and the buggers that sit there bragging how they have never worked and never intend to.





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15 Aug 2015 3:08 PM by johnzx Star rating in Spain. 5255 posts Send private message

Tadd, when I say assisting, I am employed there.  The police officer/s involved signs the report/interview as does the solicitor, in the case where a person has been arrested,  and me,  when I am translating in both cases of arrest opr when victims are making denuncias, when they do not speak Spanish.

 


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15 Aug 2015 3:23 PM by baz1946 Star rating. 2258 posts Send private message

Tadd, when I say assisting, I am employed there.  The police officer/s involved signs the report/interview as does the solicitor, in the case where a person has been arrested,  and me,  when I am translating in both cases of arrest opr when victims are making denuncias, when they do not speak Spanish.

Employed / Volunteer..Which is it?  





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15 Aug 2015 6:08 PM by Hephaestus Star rating in The Peak District Na.... 1235 posts Send private message

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15 Aug 2015 6:27 PM by Tadd1966 Star rating in Los Montesinos. 1755 posts Send private message

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I would shop people in spain especially if I could remain anon especially illegal taxi drivers and illegal property key holders

and if I knew of anyone living in Spain claiming benefits from the UK illegally I would not hesitate to report

 

 


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16 Aug 2015 9:53 AM by johnzx Star rating in Spain. 5255 posts Send private message

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However (I knew you would be concerned)  one does not need to be paid in order to be employed.  For 15 years  I have been governed by the requirement of working in an ‘employed capacity’ albeit that I am unpaid.  The government insurance,  which cover us,  refers to us as employed in a voluntary capacity.

 


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16 Aug 2015 10:19 AM by GB45 Star rating in Wiltshire and holida.... 130 posts Send private message

Back on thread.............

I would find it very difficult to report anyone I have known about, apart from to the police for a criminal act. I do think that benefit fraud is a disgrace and should be clampt down on but the small instances I have known in Spain, I have ignored. The amounts have been trivial and people have just been trying to get by, claiming sickness benefit, doing illegal key holding and airport runs spring to mind. Maybe most of you will think that I am wrong but I just couldn't bring myself to report such things.





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16 Aug 2015 10:28 AM by Tadd1966 Star rating in Los Montesinos. 1755 posts Send private message

GB45

Good points and yes people are trying to get by but  are they commiting a criminal act?

apart from to the police for a criminal act

What is your tolerance / acceptance level of a criminal act? Petty theft, GBH, etc.

Is driving an illegal taxi a criminal act?



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16 Aug 2015 10:48 AM by johnzx Star rating in Spain. 5255 posts Send private message

What is an acceptance level often depends on if one says they do it, then it’s OK and trivial but when others do it is shameful, criminal etc. 





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16 Aug 2015 11:00 AM by Tadd1966 Star rating in Los Montesinos. 1755 posts Send private message

For those who wish to know how to shop someone in spain the national police website has lost of info

http://www.policia.es/

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16 Aug 2015 11:10 AM by baz1946 Star rating. 2258 posts Send private message

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16 Aug 2015 11:37 AM by eos_moderators Star rating in España. 170 posts Send private message

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16 Aug 2015 11:57 AM by GB45 Star rating in Wiltshire and holida.... 130 posts Send private message

A criminal act is something I would report to the police and not DWP. Of course, driving an illegal  taxi is criminal but the only people I have known to do airport runs, they have done for friends and neighbours. They have accepted money for the journey which obviously makes it illegal but is it any worse than say accepting a lift to the station from a neighbour, although no money changes hands.You know the risks when you accept a lift anywhere from anybody.

In case you meant me Johnzx, I have never lived in Spain, never given lifts for money etc. and have never claimed anything from the DWP (apart from the OAP) so that is most emphatically not the reason I haven't reported anyone. I just can't bring myself to report what I have come across. Now, if I knew of an organised scam on a large scale I would feel different.

I don't expect people to necessarily agree with me but the question was asked.





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