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12 Feb 2009 16:18 by Karensun Star rating in Orihuela Costa. 1476 posts Send private message

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Acky, I said the infrastructure is in meltdown !!

Orihuela is a vast area which includes the costa and town and surrounding districts and as such contains a lot of persons, a lot of whom are 'foreigners' and are not registered or accounted for so no provision is made for them. This fact causes delays in courts and elsewhere eg. drainage problems ( which I know are nothing to do with this thread, but are a major problem on the costa )..............just out of interest.the amount given in the Orihuela budget for the drain problem was 100€..............HOWEVER............what the free press failed to mention was that Orihuela is to recieve 20 million euro from the goverment to solve this problem and because of this fact, there was no need to make a proviso in the budget.

Back to thread !..............................Debtors have to be dealt with or we will have bankrupt communities and the ONLY way to do this LEGALLY is via Spanish Law.................however long it takes and however fustrating it may be.

 



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13 Feb 2009 12:06 by Acky Star rating. 58 posts Send private message

Karensun: - I suggest you get in touch with the RTN - and put them right in their reporting of the 100euro budget.





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13 Feb 2009 13:37 by Karensun Star rating in Orihuela Costa. 1476 posts Send private message

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RTN are correct in thier report of the 2009 budget.......they just omitted to print ALL the relevent facts. Unfortunately the press do this all the time...............nothing shifts newspapers better than bad news.



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17 Feb 2009 23:37 by johnf Star rating in London / Costa Del S.... 66 posts Send private message

Hi All,

According to this article the process takes about three months - does this vary depending on what part of Spain.

Any chance of getting some feedback on this please as it appears to take considerably longer from some of the previous comments.

An extract from the following site :-

http://www.justlanded.com/english/Spain/Articles/Property/Community-properties-in-Spain

Non-payment of Fees
In the past, many communities had severe debt problems because of the
non-payment of fees, which in turn led to the management failing to
maintain facilities such as lifts, lighting and security systems when
they broke down. However, this problem has been largely eradicated
with the introduction of a community law in 1999, under which it's
much easier to embargo the property of owners who don't pay their
community fees and, if necessary, force a sale.

The proceedings (called procedimiento monitorio in article 21 of the
law) now take around three months only, commencing with a demand
( demanda) in court signed by the president and administrator of a
community. After a case has been admitted, the judge asks the debtor
to deposit the amount owed within 20 days and an announcement is
placed in the province's 'official bulletin' ( Boletín Oficial de la
Provincia/BOP). If he doesn't pay, an embargo is placed on the
property and if the debt is still unpaid or additional debts are
accrued, the property can be forcibly sold at a public auction at the
request of the community representatives.

If you own a second home in Spain that you visit once or twice a year,
it's important to ensure (double check!) that all bills are paid in
your absence, otherwise you could find that when you return to Spain
your home has been sold to pay bills!
 

Regards

John





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06 Mar 2009 13:01 by Solutions Star rating. 18 posts Send private message

Hi All,

There is a much faster way than going to a spanish court. I have spoken to a couple of people before about this.

I can do the work for you. Pay nothing up front and simply agree a percentage with me on recovered debts. No hourly charges and no hidden costs. It is simple. If enough people are interested and can get together I will even come over to spain and talk to you about it.

I own a property in spain myself so I know the problems.

Even if you are unsure, just pass me a few sample debts and I will show you the results. I am a qualified UK lawyer so this is based on fact.

Hope to hear from you.

Kind regards,

Steve

p.s I am at work having just finished my lunch so send me a message and I will respond when I get home tonight.





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06 Mar 2009 16:47 by Roberto Star rating in Torremolinos. 3871 posts Send private message

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Does it involve broken knee caps or anything else that might make us squeamish?



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06 Mar 2009 17:14 by FibbyUK Star rating in UK, Surrey & Playa F.... 2351 posts Send private message

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LOL!

Roberto, I WAS going to post something similar earlier today!

I wondered if shotguns and concrete overcoats came into it!!

 



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06 Mar 2009 18:34 by Solutions Star rating. 18 posts Send private message

As tempting as that may be - no!

As proof, the first community who contacts me  with instructions will get the first five debtors free of charge. I will work the process and show I can get the money in under 6 weeks.

A credit crunch offer not to be beaten (i hate the words credit crunch!)

I am very genuine about this. I can help.

Steve





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06 Mar 2009 18:50 by Roberto Star rating in Torremolinos. 3871 posts Send private message

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Bold claims indeed! I admit you have my curiosity aroused. Who are you?! Charles Bronson? Dog the Bounty Hunter?

Unfortunately (!!!) we have no debtors in our community, (since introducing a simple discount system for early payers) but I hope someone takes you up on this because you would probably make front page headlines all over Spain if your promise is genuine. Could be a real scoop for EOS. Does you system also work for unpaid rent, by the way?



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06 Mar 2009 18:56 by Solutions Star rating. 18 posts Send private message

If your not bold you get nowhere Roberto!

Yes it would work for unpaid rent.

Dog the Bounty Hunter - makes me smile it is my friends favourite program!

My promise is genuine. I have no reason to exagerate. The way I work is that if I don't get the money I dont get paid. That is how sure I am.

Steve





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06 Mar 2009 19:01 by Roberto Star rating in Torremolinos. 3871 posts Send private message

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Sorry to persist, but like I said, my curiosity is aroused! Just one more.......are you talking about British property owners in Spain specifically, or can you recover debts from anyone?



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06 Mar 2009 19:18 by Solutions Star rating. 18 posts Send private message

It's no problem.

It can be done for anybody in the EU (bar Denmark for some reason).

I am more than happy to answer any questions





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06 Mar 2009 19:20 by FibbyUK Star rating in UK, Surrey & Playa F.... 2351 posts Send private message

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Come on Solutions, give us a clue how you do it!!!

I don't even mind not paying my next installment of Community Fees just to see how it works!!



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06 Mar 2009 19:28 by Roberto Star rating in Torremolinos. 3871 posts Send private message

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I'm just sensing a business opportunity here. If this works, we'll be far too busy to be answering questions - we'll be cleaning up all over the Costa del Sol!

The curious thing is, getting a court to rule that debtors must pay up is (relatively) easy; actually getting some scumbag with no money to find it from somewhere and cough up is another.

I'm not doubting Solutions (well, I suppose I am a little bit!) but if it's so easy, why has he not already set up business here? he could be making an absolute fortune.



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06 Mar 2009 19:56 by Solutions Star rating. 18 posts Send private message

A disappointing reply. How can you doubt me if you have not even tried it.Roberto? A very subjective untested response.

There are many ways to get people to pay. I do it for a living. I am not making a scenario up.

As for setting up a business. Is that not what I am trying to do.

Roberto, I have answered all your questions quite politely and the response seems quite unfair. I have already said if you want to meet me I will come over to spain. Can that be the example of somebody who is to be doubted??





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06 Mar 2009 19:59 by Solutions Star rating. 18 posts Send private message

FibbyUK,

I do it all through the UK courts with their jurisdiction and swith judgement to spain.





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07 Mar 2009 08:23 by FibbyUK Star rating in UK, Surrey & Playa F.... 2351 posts Send private message

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Hi Solutions,

Is that a typo "swith judgement"?

Sorry to be thick if it's a real word, I just never heard it before.

 



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07 Mar 2009 08:43 by Solutions Star rating. 18 posts Send private message

Morning FibbyUK,

Sorry its my typing. Should be switch





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07 Mar 2009 10:21 by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 8584 posts Send private message

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What does it actually means. " with judgement to Spain"?

With all my respect,

Maria



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07 Mar 2009 12:28 by FibbyUK Star rating in UK, Surrey & Playa F.... 2351 posts Send private message

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Hi Solutions,

So, is a Summons issued in the UK court then?

With, as you say, judgement switched to Spain?

Or is it an application to the Small Claims Court? (but i doubt that, as that would have limitations on the value of the claim) 



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