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a saying that has just come to mind that the brexiteers should have considered before voting was "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence." Many would add the caveat "but you still have to mow it!"
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Good reply Miky
Then really it should be in your interests that the UK does well after Brexit....
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tteedd- I'm replying to your question in good faith believing you are not trolling me again.
Those who took part in the survey were all asked what “should happen next” if Parliament rejects Mrs May’s deal. Just 25 per cent said “we should leave the EU with no set future relations in place and revert to trading with the EU on World Trade Organisation rules.”
A greater proportion, 27 per cent, said Mrs May should try to renegotiate a deal, 14 per cent said we should stay in the EU on new terms that Mrs May should try to negotiate and 15 per cent said we should stay in on existing terms – a total of 56 per cent who favoured options at odds with the Prime Minister’s plan to quit and trade on WTO rules.
Among voters in the survey who admitted supporting the Conservatives only 38 per cent backed leaving without a deal, while 38 per cent supported renegotiating and a further 18 per cent opting for staying in the EU on existing or new terms.
Javi - Why do I care? That's an odd question.
The reason is my personal interests and horizons are not limited to the countries in which I live. I'm a European and Britain is still part of that great continent. Even after Brexit Britain will still be involved in the EU and NATO on defence and security and hopefully with a free trade deal
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No we won't because none of you know what you are talking about...
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I'm waiting for the Brexit Brigade to start blaming the Remain camp for not doing a better job of telling them why leaving was going to be so bad as it starts coming true.
You know you will. You can't help yourself.
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Micky
Why do you care? I believe you've lived in France for over 30 years so why are you so interested in what we in the UK do? Could it be that you are worried without the UK cash cow that your great EU is finished? You seem to revel in driving the UK down. If it's going to be as bad as you say for us then it really shouldn't bother you,
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BMG Research is a respected polling organisation.
Of course.
What was the question?
What was the context?
Neither is mentioned in the report.
Who was asked?
Why were the results weighted?
Virtually everybody would prefer a negociated settlement. What's new?
This message was last edited by tteedd on 07/03/2017.
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BMG Research is a respected polling organisation. You might be sceptical of The Independent but these are peoples views like it or not. Of course polling does not translate to a majority vote as we all know. I do think voter remorse will set in sooner or later with many. Not you hard line exiteers of course.
The House of Lords is set to defeat Theresa May in a vote, re-writing her draft law to include a guarantee that Parliament will be able to veto the final Brexit agreement if the deal she makes isn’t deemed good enough. Lawmakers will also have the power to stop May walking away from talks with no deal under an amendment the peers are expected to pass during the bill’s next stage of scrutiny.
The amendment to guarantee a “meaningful vote” is almost certain to pass given some of May’s ruling Conservative Party will perhaps align themselves with the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats.
May’s team argues that giving legislators the power to veto the final Brexit deal and send the premier back to the negotiating table would undermine her. She is likely to ask the House of Commons to delete the Lords’ amendments when the bill returns there on March 13th
Bloomberg 7 March
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I dont believe everything i read in newspapers, so Jarvi, for once i agree with you. Any right thinking person knows this, just as much that countries are run by their economics, not politics, and the fat cats that run industry.
Also, it should be remembered Theresa May was a remain person, but being true to the referendum, she is the caretaker of the exit, and so because she has commitment she is going to negotiate exit whatever. I feel she has looks somewhat similar to Margret Thatcher, and it seems much the same resolve, and if change is to occur from exit, it seems she might be the person to do it just as Maggie used to do things.
Some would call it gung ho, i would call it take no prisoners.
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Britons overwhelmingly oppose Theresa Mays plan to quit the EU with no deal in place if Parliament dares to reject the terms she agrees with Brussels, an exclusive poll has revealed.
Must be true because its printed in the indepedent which of course as we all know has a neutral stance NOT
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Britons overwhelmingly oppose Theresa Mays plan to quit the EU with no deal in place if Parliament dares to reject the terms she agrees with Brussels, an exclusive poll has revealed.
The BMG Research study showed twice as many people would rather the UK stay in the EU or try and secure a different deal, if MPs and Lords do not endorse the agreement the Prime Minister returns from Europe with.
The survey for The Independent also showed the public are bracing themselves for a Brexit hit on the economy over the next two years as painstaking negotiations over future relations play out.
Independent 7 March
I believe UK consumer spending which has kept the UK afloat economically since the vote will now decline as people restrict their spending over the coming two years over fears of a post Brexit slump. Investment has already declined which will start to show in the Britain's future GDP figures.
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all you said is correct and is just as valid for the EU as it is for the uk or any other democracy across the world
We can remove MEPs (if people bother to vote) the elected govt of the eu meber state can remove their appointed (and approved) commisioner
In the UK yes we can remove our MP's but we cant remove anyone from the house of lords and what say do the voters really have on cabinet selections or even PM
Cornwall could demand a vote for indepedance and reform just as Scotland and otherregions of teh UK. - devolution is not the answer.
IMO devolution = greed and selfishness
Would you support Scotland or Cornwall having a leave the UK vote?
Would you accept the will of the people of Cornwall or Scotland should they decide to leave the UK?
reform together yes
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Hugh, you say,
"VW have not supplied a hybrid yet because........2. Cost of swithching considering their investement in diesel and persuading the EU to offer incentives to buy diesel."
i think you will find its not the cost of investment, companies like VW are investing collossal amounts of money developing new models and systems continuously, they have to if they are to stay on trend with markets, and customers desires. VW will obviously have realised the potential for an alternative fuel vehicle, but to fund a desirable , workable model they have to volume sell current models to finance an initiative such as gas and electric alternatives. Changing tooling and alternative engine production is cheaper and far quicker than releasing a model that is new and untested, with an unknown revenue stream till the new model is established
A typical example of a failure to do this was Rover, they did not invest in new model research sufficiently, or update models in an ongoing way to make them desirable to the masses. This ended up with numerous large firms propping them up for many years (Honda, BAE, BMW), until they were offloaded for a token sum, when it was shown to be an inevitable decline, to a bunch of jokers who milked it still further and bankrupted the company with their greed.
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No Tadd,
It's about trying to get a fair system in place and taking effective action to prevent the growth of division and unrest, to recognise when a system is not acting in the best interests of its citizens and having the ability through an electoral system to remove those in power who are inflicting unnecessary burdens on countries and its citizens.
We can remove our own Politicians and pressure for reform but we have no ability to remove intransigent bureaucrats in the EU Commission who to date have demonstrated little intent to recognise the unfairness of the existing system which is leading to proliferation of extreme elements and further division across Europe.
It doesn't have to be like this.....
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Sorry Robert but I don't think engine plants an switch willy nilly between diesel and petrol on a whim.
Two distinct engine plants.
VW have not supplied a hybrid yet because
1. They have not developed the same expertise as the Japanese yet.
2. Cost of swithching considering their investement in diesel and persuading the EU to offer incentives to buy diesel.
The damaging effect of diesel has been known for some time now and you are trying to tell me that VW have not realised demand will be changing yet?
Do me a favour.
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Hugh you dont seem to have absorbed what i said, the engine plant would DECREASE Diesel engine production, and INCREASE petrol production. there would not be retooling the works, there would be spare manufacturing capacity from the loss of the diesel production, with largely the tooling already in existance at the plant.
The reason you can not buy a hybrid VW Polo yet is up till now there has not been a demand for such a vehicle perceived by VW, and if they think it wont sell, they will not make it, economic sense. Things may change in the light of the diesel scandal.
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Sums up the EU debt burden and problem precisely, I urge all on here to read.
So far the Germans have been happy to prop up the PIGS as it keeps the Euro competitive for German exports against the dollar but constantly providing more loans and not writing off the debt means the humble tax payers in PIGS will never see the light of day.
At least thecUK have been attempting to reduce our burgeoning debt problem.
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So some are saying how generous and caring the uk is
Yet the will of the people in the brexit is all about migrants getting benefits and the uk funding the poorer states of the eu etc and they want all this money spent on uk and not anyone or anywhere else
Is that double standards
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i dont think the halo has slipped too much for the Americans, and diesel? It doesnt take much to decrease Diesel engine.
Robert, have you any idea of the cost of re tooling engine works from diesel to petrol or hybrid.
The Japanese have been producing hybrids for years, the Germanscreally are struggling to change.
I want to buy a hybrid VW Polo, still not on the market.
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No Robert
We in the U.K. Have a choice to unelect our politicians if we are not happy and at least a referendum makes every single vote count.
Try getting rid of EU bureaucrats in between their jollies to Brussels or is it Strasbourg this week?
How any of you can accuse the U.K. As being inward looking, given its history of the last century is pathetic.
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