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09 Feb 2012 9:17 PM by mugabe Star rating. 9 posts Send private message

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09 Feb 2012 9:25 PM by wend691 Star rating in Lincoln & Rojales (C.... 179 posts Send private message

Im not unhappy about working and contributing taxes to those in need, mugabe ... as Ive said before, I support the welfare state. It seems with your attitude, you are the resentful, 'sadoe' one as you so, errr eloquently put it!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and whilst we may not all agree, there is absolutely no need to be so hostile to other commentators on this thread.





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09 Feb 2012 9:25 PM by Bri Star rating in North. 591 posts Send private message

 Absolutely not - I don't resent it at all.  I just wish they would tighten up on the benefit frauds and abuse - but I accept that you cannot have a system which does not let people fall through the net, that is absolutely secure against abuse (and that does not mean fraud).  I have not made use of the education system for my children, but I would never begrudge the taxes I pay to support the schools in England (though I may complain about wasted money).  Nor have I made a lot of use of the NHS - but I might have to and I don't resent that either.  What I resent, mugabe, is people milking the system.

Now me a socialist - That is astonishing and had me rolling about laughing!!!   I am a Times reading fully paid up member of the Tory party.   I believe that Bevin's words 'from cradle to grave', while meant well, have brought the UK to its knees.  

The reality is that those of us who do pay a lot of money into the system, are happier if the money goes to people who need it, rather than those who don't.  Simple really.  



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09 Feb 2012 9:28 PM by Bri Star rating in North. 591 posts Send private message

 Agree wend691.  mugabe, you need to stop 'shouting' at people (posting in capitals in case you don't know what that means), and as for your abusive remarks - I hope they are removed.



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09 Feb 2012 10:28 PM by gazzerb Star rating in Malaga/Winchester. 34 posts Send private message

I did not advocate anyone commit  fraud and claim what is not theirs.

I also did not advise anyone on how to claim anything on the UK Benefits system because I know nothing about claiming a UK benefit. Albeit that I contribute into that system and choose not to take out.

I did give advice to Mrs .SFC IF she or her husband needed to claim on the Spanish system and the pitfalls they may encounter.

The morality of the case is a personal one for Mr.&Mrs. SFC to face and others in the same position.

So Rumpole, have you first hand experience of the Spanish Social Security system? Have you been to The Hacienda, Unemployment Office, Applied for "Poor people" status and get a box full of food as a handout or helped anyone who needed any of the former, then back to The Hacienda to start the wheel again? Nah I didn't think so!

The Winter Fuel Allowance is not a cheap jibe. Many pensioners forget they receive a benefit and pontificate that they are "Holier than thou". Big final salary annual income.

I remember the story a year or two ago about a 78 year old war veteran complaining that he couldn't make ends meet in the new economic crisis because of the exchange rate dive he couldn't pay his mortgage. Mortgage? What on earth is he doing with a mortgage at 78? He wanted Mr. Brown to help him out. Mr.Brown had too many UK pensioners to sort out before he looked elsewhere.

 



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10 Feb 2012 1:51 PM by stevebatchelor Star rating in Spain. 13 posts Send private message

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Hello everyone. This has already been posted, but only by a link. When I read it, I thought it was worth posting in full.

So for all you people that keep saying, if you are entitled to benefit, and its legal to take it, go for it, no moral issues exist. Not sure I can fully agree.

Regarding the Fruitcakes, if living in Spain is beyond there own means, should Mr Fruitcake just pack in his employment in the UK when it suits him and claim a legal benefit to suport a lifestyle he could not otherwise afford. Or should he continue to work and support himself to a lifestye he can afford without the need to claim benefit, which he clearly could.

That really is the moral question here. Some people will say he is doing absolutly nothing wrong, it is legal and you are entitled to get every benefit available within the system. Go on the Fruitcakes, good luck, have many years of benefit claiming.

Others might say the Fruitcakes are parasites, a boil on the backside of humanity, complete legal scroungers and milking the system to its maximum.

At the end of the day its down to the Fruitcakes or should they do a name change to O'Shea?

 

Friday, Feb 10 2012
How can a £10m lotto winner STILL claim £6,000 a year in benefits?
 
When Michael and Jean O’Shea won £10.2million on the lottery, they promised: ‘We’ll never be any different, no matter how much money we have.’
More than six years later, the couple remain true to their word.
They still occupy the three-bedroom ex-council house they were living in when their numbers came up – and Mr O’Shea still claims around £6,000 a year in benefits.
Here's to us: Michael and Jean O'Shea celebrating winning £10.2million on Euro Millions, at Nottingham Race Course, in October 2005
Since winning the Euromillions jackpot in October 2005, Mr O’Shea has been paid up to £31,500 in handouts – a fraction of the interest generated by his win. The retired builder is doing nothing illegal because his  £500-a-month disability living allowance is not means-tested.
But campaigners, MPs and neighbours attacked Mr O’Shea for continuing to take the cash.
In addition to the benefits, he and his wife are given a new car every three years under a mobility scheme for the disabled.
One neighbour said: ‘I’m not the only person around here who thinks that multi-millionaires still claiming benefits is wrong. It may not be illegal, but is it morally right that they get benefits when they don’t need them? They can afford a life of luxury and a fleet of cars – yet they are pinching every penny they can get from the taxpayer.’
 
Home sweet home: Mr and Mrs O'Shea bought their council house in Sneinton, Nottingham, for £5,000 in 1977. Houses in the area now sell for an average of £190,000
Mr O’Shea, 73, admitted claiming ‘around £500’ a month but insisted: ‘I worked for 40 years and I’m entitled to it. I’ve got osteoarthritis in my legs, and rheumatoid arthritis in my hands. We only really use the car to go to the shops.’
Mr O’Shea, of Sneinton, Nottingham, said he and his wife, 72, give away ‘ten times what we receive’ to good causes. But Tory MP Patrick Mercer, who represents the nearby constituency of Newark, said he was ‘surprised’ by the O’Sheas’ decision to continue claiming the cash.
Mr Mercer added: ‘He does not need to be claiming this money, and the country can ill afford it when the economy is in the mess that it is thanks to the last government.’
Matthew Elliott, of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, added: ‘It’s barmy that taxpayers are funding  benefits and motors for a multi-millionaire.’
Although they still live in the former council house they paid £5,000 for in 1977, the O’Sheas  have holidayed in Australia,  Canada and Alaska.
They also had a five-bedroom mansion built in Co Kerry, Ireland, where Mr O’Shea grew up.
However, if  they moved to Ireland, the couple, who have three children, would lose out because the equivalent handout there is means-tested.
Disability Living Allowance is meant for those who have severe difficulty moving around and is worth up to £125 a week, which suggests Mr O’Shea is paid the maximum rate.




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10 Feb 2012 3:47 PM by seetokui Star rating. 4 posts Send private message

 Entitlements come in many forms. In business one calculates gross profit and then deducts costs. Is anyone suggesting that a wealthy businessman should not deduct his legitimate costs and instead pay tax on gross profit? Or that when calculating personal tax one ought not to claim allowances? It is always so easy for some to decide how others should organise their financial affairs. They have usually not been good at organising their own, in my experience.

I speak as a simple man who has no income at all and owns no property of any kind anywhere. I do not own the paintings on my walls. Nor my kitchen utensils. I suppose I own the clothes on my back but am not sure. 

 





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10 Feb 2012 7:32 PM by paulsimkiss Star rating in Thailand & Spain. 58 posts Send private message

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Not sure what you are on about seetokui are you a full shilling? I think Rumpole does ask the right question, but the comparrison could be a little harse.



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10 Feb 2012 10:47 PM by Poppyseed Star rating. 897 posts Send private message

Who is Rumpole?



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11 Feb 2012 1:59 AM by Patty_1 Star rating in Hertfordshire. UK. .... 1062 posts Send private message

Is it Rumpole of the Yard.



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11 Feb 2012 10:01 AM by scrounger Star rating in Spain & Afganistan. 5 posts Send private message

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Hello seetokui, I think you are posting on the wrong forum. Maybe had too much vino.

Well I;m up for the Fruitcakes. Get all you can. Never mind the Do Gooders. Its your life and you are entitled to get your hands on everything you can.

Now I am a fully qualified benefits expert, in the UK and EU. I think you are going about this the hard way. I've never done a days work in my life. Forget this JSA rubish, get down the docs with the old back problem, borrow a wheel chair and get Mrs Fruitcake to wheel you in to see the doc. Doc will hand out sick notes to anybody. Then go on disability for life. Its pays more than JSA. and chances are you will only need to sign twice a year. You can get your brother or a mate to sign for you. Then get a council house to rent out. I rent mine to 6 polish guys and get paid by DHSS. Set it up as a company let. Both me and my wife and sister have one each that we do it with. There both on disabillity as well.

Then in Spain, just rent a nice villa, all you need to pay is the deposit and no more, it takes 9 months at least to get you out. Plus all the unpaid bills stay with the house not you. When its time to leave, just sell the stuff in the house to get your deposit back. It must be all legal because we have been doing it for 30 years. The Spanish police could not care less. And how can benefits department prove you don't all have a bad back. Like everyone you have some good days when you can play golf 3 times a week. And even with a so called bad back, it does not stop you going on the vino every night.

Good luck Fruitcakes, if you are going to be scroungers like me, go and be good scroungers. You probaly are scroungers with what you are trying to do on JSA, so go the whole way. You could esily end up with £40k a year and no outgoings, just resturants and vino to pay for.





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11 Feb 2012 11:05 AM by seetokui Star rating. 4 posts Send private message

 I must own up to having no interest in Spain, nor in British blue collar workers. I reside in California & Switzerland. I am on business in UK and met up with an old school chum and am staying at his home. He, in turn, has a property in Spain which accounts for his interest in this website. He was reading out postings - with hilarity - and I  joined in. Life on the Costa Fish & Chips would not be for my family.  I have little in common with the posters on this thread.

 
For what it's worth, I come from a family of Hong Kong traders which has always valued opacity. Hard working and successful. We try our best to minimise our tax position - as I remarked before, I earn and own nothing - my needs are taken care of by a family trust. We contribute to society at every level, although prefer to have control over where our money goes.
 
And that is the end of Seeto. My role in your life is over!




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11 Feb 2012 2:38 PM by Poppyseed Star rating. 897 posts Send private message

Thanks Pat & Roy. I did know who Rumpole of the Yard is but I couldn't see the connection when paulsimkiss referred to Rumpole. Perhaps it was because of the picture of Martin Shaw as Judge John Deed!



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13 Nov 2013 12:00 PM by TonyHicken Star rating. 1 posts Send private message

I have been trying to claim jsa since i came over to spain 2 weeks ago looking for work,and even though i sorted things out in the uk at the jobcentre plus and i was assured by the rubbish staff in the uk i did everything right before i left but i still cannot get jsa because of 2 factors 1 no one in the jsa office knows what the rules are and keep giving you the run around when call them from spain and there is very little support from them in my opinion..2 the spanish job centre staff know zilch about jsa and have not been informed of our rules for claiming it in there country and none speak or want to speak any english to help you..pero hablo un poco de espanol.,..im sure members of the eu when applying in england for benefits etc would get someone from the translation dept to help them etc..saludos

 


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13 Nov 2013 1:52 PM by camposol Star rating in Camposol. 1406 posts Send private message

Did you really expect to get JSA in Spain?

Did you really expect to find work in Spain?





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13 Nov 2013 2:15 PM by Roly2 Star rating in Almeria. 646 posts Send private message

Rather agree with Camposol.   Unless you are looking at teaching English as a Foreign language in a private school of course - there seems to be plenty of work in that field as young Spanish people continue to leave, and Spanish parents are desperate for their kids to speak good English.  

But good luck!!! 





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13 Nov 2013 2:15 PM by Team GB Star rating. 1245 posts Send private message

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According to gov.uk you are entitled to it if you have paid NI and

You can get contribution-based JSA for up to 3 months if you:

  • are entitled to it on the day you go abroad
  • register as a jobseeker at least 4 weeks before you leave
  • are looking for work in the UK up to the day you leave
  • are going abroad to look for work
  • register at the equivalent of a Jobcentre in the country you’re going to
  • follow the other country’s rules on registering and looking for work

Ask your local Jobcentre Plus for more information.

 

 



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