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Well said Robert Robson, are you by the way also with us and the IURA lawyers, who got the criminal fraud charge a few weeks back, or are you independant from all that. You can bet your bottom dollar Gotardo Rodriguez will appeal on October the first ,thats if he even turns up at all.Probably dont need to tell you that, as you must know his format as well as I do.I take it he is required to appear and plead his case, probably that he is a poor victim of all this, as the lies spew from his mouth. keep us informed and keep posting
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I am very concerned that the CDSAG has accepted that we will not see any money forthcoming and are taking their foot off the gas.They seem to think we should negotiate for the properties offered.I do not see this as an acceptable alternative,but they seem to have gone very quiet
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The one person who seemed to be doing most of the work (and had a good understanding of our problems) was dismissed from the group.
Gwilym complained to them about the use of funds and was then asked to leave. On the CDSAG website now, there seems to be an awful lot of back stabbing against him. If this group is a professional group as they make out, why steep to this level. I couldn't believe the comments when I read them. It was like a baby spitting his dummy out of the pram. Very strange antics in my opinion.
I am still in touch with the the IURA Lawyers and will go down this path for getting my money back unless Gotardo comes up with a better solution.
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Stephen Hodgkiss
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Hi Robert Robson, can you please post us with which lawyers you have defending your case, you say the court case comes up on October 1st, I would be interested to hear who you have acting for you?
thanks
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Gotardo Rodriguez ( Palmera Properties) contacted me last week with some offers for some of you who would be interested in switching your deposits to finished properties.
Would that be of interest to some of you?
Best,
Maria
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Maria
We have been over to Spain to view some. They are not being offered at the prices quoted to IURA in their initial offering, which was for the outstanding mortgage. The prices offered are apparently being calculated based on the size of deposit paid and the valuation on the property. The ones we looked at were all quoted by PP as being well under bank valuations, but in reality they are being offered at current market rates. We followed up with other Agents to verify. In some cases we were told that if we accepted the prices being offered and then wanted to immediately re-sell, we would be in a large loss making position. This is just another scam to get more fees out of us. Take my advice and stay well away.
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Dave Fulton
This message was last edited by fultond on 7/9/2008.
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hi Maria
Thanks for the offer of help etc but i want most if not all of my 52,000 returned , if possible, the only way i would consider a property would be for my 52,000 euros and no more, i would not be prepared to part with another dime, if this guy wants to help that is my offer to him
Rob
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One other question for Vargas Lawyer, who now seems to have dropped "Lawyer" off their user name. If you really are acting Lawyers then why are you acting as a property agent? Or are you really an agent using the "Lawyer" element to try and get our trust?
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Málaga bank manager sent to prison for ten years
By h.b.
Jul 11, 2008 - 8:37 AM
A Málaga bank manager has been sentenced to ten years in prison for investing client's money for his own benefit.
The Provincial Court in the city heard that the man had carried out high risk investment operations in the name of dead people, and had changed currencies without clients knowledge, with none of the movements being reflected in the branch's official accounting.
He also set up three companies in Gibraltar which he used to channel his investments and to avoid detection by Hacienda. The fraud occurred between the years 1988 and 1997.
The man was also fined 10,800 € and ordered to compensate several clients to the total of nearly 260,000 €.
The owner of a financial advice firm was also found guilty of collaborating with the bank manager who has not been named in reports.
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Well having tried to dump off properties through IURA , Rodriguez has moved onto Maria de Castros clients to try and make a buck through them. !!! Anybody else got an apology letter from him , through a notary!!! whats that all about ? Its simply a way to pretend to be caring and genuine, in the hope of us dropping the criminal case he is facing.Its notarised so he can prove he sent them ,in his day in court. It states get in touch for a solution, which no doubt involves him trying to take more money for an over priced piece of garbage in some backwater Spanish village!!!! .....10 years for the Spanish bank manager who stole and spent clients cash , I like the sound of that.
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yes I received the letter as well
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Stephen Hodgkiss
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Dear Raganp:
Do not worry about a possible meeting with Palmera Properties representative as of course nothing which is not for the clear interest of our clients will be heard for more than a minute. I am inclined to give evrybody at least an oportunity to speak... who knows? I understand your doubts and oposition and surprise though.
We are of course proffessional and risponsable lawyers who willl be caring firecely for our clients. That is our proffession. Nothing different from that cause us any satisfaction.
If anyone understand, I am happy, if not... I am happy too. I love being against the stream. You are so..... rebellious! , my dad used to say to me.
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Gortardo and the lying Dutchman have (had) land assets. Go after these assets.
DO NOT believe 1 word they say and DO NOT accept any deals.
Gotardo R CANNOT tell the truth, he is simply incapable of it. You must remember this. He is nothing but a conman
He monitors this site so he will at some point read these words and your words. Don't be weak, seek your justice.
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THE LATEST EMAIL REPLY FROM GOTARDO
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As expected the deal he was promising is not possible.
Yes he has other completed developments 'he says'. However, just because 2 of us have enough deposits to buy one apartment outright is not the issue. The issue is that for him to do that, he has to clear the mortgage that he currently has with the bank. Of course, he can't do this without any real cash.
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Stephen Hodgkiss
From: gotardo@mac.com
To: stephenhodgkiss
Subject: Re: TORREMOLINOS
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:08:56 +0200
Mr hodgkiss
This is very frustating. I don't really know how to explain that we can't give a property with no mortgage as we don't have that kind of money.
In Torremolinos we still triying to get the project foward but will take time.
We had many difficulties with some town hall requirements this slowed down everithing.
As I told you we have paid everithing that had to be paid there.
Anyway I think the best is for you to come over and discuss.
To sell the plots is on the table the problem is the market.
Regards.
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On Jul 26, 2008, at 13:09, stephen hodgkiss
Gotardo,
I am very concerned that in April 2004, 4 YEARS AGO, I gave you a deposit of 45.000 to buy one of these apartments. After all these years of trying to get information from your staff and being lied to so many times about the lack of progress, you are telling me that Palmera Properties does not have the finance to even start the build.
You were gambling with your clients money. It is that simple.
You took money from clients, hoping that you could move money from one development to another, increasing your Capital each time. This is fine if it was your own money and not someone else's.
The building license is now impossible as you cannot get finance. Therefore, the apartments will never get built, and you must know that.
Why don't you sell the land and pay me back and the other clients on that development? Either this or move my money as i suggest to one of your other developments in full payment. None of this playing around with the price, so that the deal seems more attractive. We all know that valuations mean nothing at all in Spain at the moment, it is what someone will pay for it at the end of the day. This is how the property market has worked for many years.
I think your time is running out to find a real solution. what you have proposed is very clever but we have all learned from our mistakes. We can see through this offer and realise that you are just hoping to cancel our deposits by just offering another property with a ficticious reduction in the price.
The answer for me and my friend is simple. Sell us an apartment that is fully completed at Los Carvajales at a true market price (not the valuation) which is 142.000 euros. Both of our deposits would be used to fund this and we would agree to cancel our contracts of purchase if the apartment was transferred to us.
Regards
Stephen Hodgkiss
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Stephen Hodgkiss
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I repeat, there are no deals.
I want justice of some kind though, even if it is only time behind bars.
What happened to the bank guarantees? We were told that a BG was in place, but was for the whole development, not by individual apartment, that was why they couldn't provide it at the time. But don't worry, you can trust us, was the answer, this is the way the whole business operates over here. What I didn't realise at the time was that I should have interpreted that as dishonest, illegal and scandalous.
Anybody told any different or funnier stories?
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Yes it would have been a wonderful solution for Gotardo, we pay off the bank mortgage, the developers debt to him wiped out and us off his back ............... what do we get - an apartment we can't rent out and even if we could it wouldn't pay off the half the monthly mortgages costs, a high rate mortgage, a property we couldn't resell!!!
We have lost 80,000 euros and as SH says we too have 2 deposits but Gotardo has said the same they cant put them together against one property as it wont pay off the mortgage
So what are we left with -- a nice big fat legal bill ......
Cheers Gotardo
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All deposits should have been held in secure client accounts as we were led to believe. They were taken by PP, used wherever they thought they could make a fast buck, or squandered on their lavish lifestyles.No licences ,no construction , work it out ... the cash never passed Gotardo Rodriguez , now he has tried to con us all again .Stop wasting time in trying to deal with him. Prison will be his eventual destination ,and lets see what the courts end up saying about our finances ,we must keep the faith.
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For those who do not receive Gwilym's mails. A translated extract from El Pais newspaper:
In essence the relevant part of this news item relates to a matter I referred to months ago. This female judge exemplifies just how useless the Spanish judicial system can be. This was her second act of incompetence.
A complaint/denuncia was filed against Grupo Mirador (for the uninitated they are one of the constructors/developers working with Palmera Properties) on behalf of forty-nine complainants for having taken deposits from these people for property purchases for which there existed no planning permission or building licence. The judge archived the case and said it was a civil matter and not criminal.
So forty-nine purchasers get ripped off and the judge doesn't think it's a crime! Breathtaking. Radovan Karadzic hopes he comes up before her.
The superior court ordered the papers to be sent to the public prosecutor to see what disciplinary action could be taken against the judge.
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It all seems to have gone quiet on the PP front - has anyone made any progress or looked at any of the properties they have been offering?
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