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14 Nov 2012 17:24 by johnzx Star rating in Spain. 5241 posts Send private message

This is interesting !!!
 
The New York Times has published the names of rich Spaniards  who have large sums in foreign banks, not declared to the Spanish tax authorities.

The newspaper mentions first of all the Botin family, the very influential owners of Banco Santander, who have had 2,000 million euros stashed away in the Swiss bank HSBC since the Spanish civil war.

The newspaper prints the names of 569 Spaniards, mostly from politics and business, including former Prime Minister from PP, Jose Maria Aznar; the father of Catalonia President, Artur Mas; PP General Secretary Dolores Cospedal; former President of the International Monetary Fund and the floundered Bankia, Rodrigo Rato; Cesar Alierta, President of Telefonica; Narcis Serra, socialist party of Catalonia; Eduardo Zaplana, former PP President of the Valencia Region; Miguel Boyer, Minister of Finance in the first socialist government; Carlos Solchaga, also a socialist Minister of Finance; Abel Matutes PP politician from Ibiza and Angel Acebes, Minister in the PP government of Aznar…..
 





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14 Nov 2012 19:44 by andyintorre Star rating in Costa Blanca. 104 posts Send private message

How do they know these people have not declared what's in their accounts?



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14 Nov 2012 20:18 by johnzx Star rating in Spain. 5241 posts Send private message

It would seem pretty obvious that it was an informant from the bank who sold them the list of depositors.
 
If it was not 100% provable they would never have published it, they could be sued for millions





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14 Nov 2012 20:30 by andyintorre Star rating in Costa Blanca. 104 posts Send private message

 since when has it become accepted that if the newspapers print it then it must be true?

 

Anyway I think this is old news as the investigation into the family that owns Santander Bank has been closed by the Justice department as the family regularized their tax affairs in 2011 to the tax departments satisfaction.





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14 Nov 2012 22:07 by elaineG Star rating in Spain . 409 posts Send private message

Andy

Well  we will see who is correct,  but as there are 569 people mentioned I tend to think you are wrong.





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14 Nov 2012 22:22 by andyintorre Star rating in Costa Blanca. 104 posts Send private message

 Oh well, yet another person who things everything in the newspapers is true, with this sort of attitude is it any wonder so many ex pat brits get taken for a ride in Spain.





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14 Nov 2012 22:37 by aly not in spain Star rating in Not far from Torre. 74 posts Send private message

15 Nov 2012 08:05 by nigel188 Star rating in Estepona. 621 posts Send private message

 Hi John

Can you provide me with a link or Heading of the Article.Just been on to The  New York Times Web Page and can not locate anything there about it.

 

Many Thanks

 

Regards

 



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15 Nov 2012 09:22 by johnzx Star rating in Spain. 5241 posts Send private message

 
Nigel,
                  Sorry. 
 
I got the info from a newsletter (private circulation to subscribers) which I edit.  It was not my original information.

 

This shpuld be a lead to it though:-

http://vibracionesaltas.wordpress.com/2012/10/31/wealthy-people-in-spain-ny-times-article-ricos-de-espana-articulo-de-new-york-times/





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15 Nov 2012 10:29 by maddiemack Star rating in Grantham, Lincolnshi.... 194 posts Send private message

Well, andyintorre, unless we can actually do our own research for everything we want to find out......we either read about the subject we're interested in or we listen to the radio/watch the television.  Or shouldn't we believe anything we read or are told by anyone?  Perhaps not!  Or would you say that newspaper articles are more likely to contain false information than other sources?  Or does it depends on which newspaper you are reading?



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15 Nov 2012 11:33 by acer Star rating. 1365 posts Send private message

Andyintorro - sure you don't believe everything you read in newspapers, but don't assume that other nations have the same principles as Brits either.  I know as a matter of fact that some large companies in Spain and Italy pay their top executives part of their salary/bonus into Swiss and similar bank accounts to reduce tax.

We will probably never know for sure - but my guess is the article is likely to be largely correct.





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15 Nov 2012 11:41 by johnzx Star rating in Spain. 5241 posts Send private message

This is Andy’s very erudite reply in another thread,
 
I have no problem with the position you take, I also never asked to be taken seriously, in fact if you don't wish to take me or anyone else seriously is of no interest at all.
My comment was aimed at someone trying to give the impression that he is the only person who does things correctly in Spain

 
From that  I guess he is does not want anyone to give any advice on anything as he is not going to believe it.
 
I wonder what he is doing here in EOS where most posters try to help other !!!! 





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15 Nov 2012 12:17 by andyintorre Star rating in Costa Blanca. 104 posts Send private message

Thanks for your reply John, I don't consider myself learned however, just realistic.

Acer, an interesting comment about companies paying part salaries to bank accounts outside of Spain, basically the same as the BBC has been doing for years to the " stars " who entertain us on the good old beeb.



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15 Nov 2012 12:22 by elaineg Star rating in Spain . 409 posts Send private message

 

Andyintorre     Thanks for your reply John, I don't consider myself learned however, just realistic.
 
 
I think his remark went over your head.
 
It was clearly intended to be ironic.

 

 


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15 Nov 2012 13:44 by mac75 Star rating in Valencia. 407 posts Send private message

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 Whether it is true or not we probably won't know, but I can tell you something, it really doesn't surprise me! I it is totally believable. If 86% of the IBEX 35 operate in Tax Havens abroad, not declaring their accounts to the Spanish Government and everyone knows about it, you can bet your bottom dollar that the people on the list are doing it too. Quite a few of them are or have been involved in "corruption" law suits.



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15 Nov 2012 14:05 by andyintorre Star rating in Costa Blanca. 104 posts Send private message

Elaine, Sarcasm being the lowest form of wit I am sure the comment was not meant as you suggest.



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15 Nov 2012 14:11 by andyintorre Star rating in Costa Blanca. 104 posts Send private message

Mac75 you know you are right, as probably a good number of people who are in a position to do something about such payments and tax efficiency measures are doing the self same things. A few days ago the news was full of Mitt Romney only paying 15% income tax on his declared income of I think it was 2 million. Of course if these people are doing it and think its acceptable I doubt if they are going to rush to change the rules........



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