Social Seguridad - register or not?

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14 Nov 2012 15:59 by TandA Star rating. 39 posts Send private message

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I've been offered a pert-time temporary contract but do not have a social seguridad number. The prospective employer wants me to go and register. I am on the padron, have an NIE etc. but have not worked in the 6 years I've been in Spain. The job may or may not last more than 3 months. What are the implications of registering if I then no longer have work?





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14 Nov 2012 17:08 by johnzx Star rating in Spain. 5241 posts Send private message

Tanda,   when you say you have an NIE,  I hope you mean you are registered on the EU Citizens Register as being resident in Spain, not just that you have an NIE.

 

Incidentially, how have you been covered for medical care in the six years ?





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14 Nov 2012 20:35 by TandA Star rating. 39 posts Send private message

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Hi johnzx

My green document says 'Certificado de Registro de Cuidadano de la Unión'

As to being medically covered, we registered at the local clinic shortly after arrival in 2006, one of us having a need for some urgent attention. Ever since then we have received treatment and care whenever needed. Indeed my partner had an operation and was given the choice of the Costa del Sol hospital or a private hospital in Malàga.  My partner subsequently registered as 'autonomo' and we both received 'tarjetas sanitarias' as we are both on the deeds of the property (but not married). We may have been lucky and got through the red tape, which seems to have simply depended on the mood of the receptionist at the clinic when we registered.

So, back to my original question......





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14 Nov 2012 20:40 by andyintorre Star rating in Costa Blanca. 104 posts Send private message

 TandA,

I should ignore Johnzx, obviously still thinks he's a policeman, more like Dixon of Dock green....lol





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14 Nov 2012 21:31 by bobaol Star rating. 2257 posts Send private message

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 Your tarjetas sanitarias should have a social security number on there which I assume means you are already registered?  Of course, this being Spain, it may be different for every region but our healthcards have the number on the back.  On the top line it gives the SIP number (which is the Valencian community tarjeta sanitaria number) followed by SS and another number.  This is the Social Security number.  Hopefully, it will be the same on yours.

 





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14 Nov 2012 22:05 by elaineG Star rating in Spain . 409 posts Send private message

Andy, I should ignore Johnzx, obviously still thinks he's a policeman, more like Dixon of Dock green....lol

 

When you have made as many intelligent and helpful post as johnzx you may be taken seriously,





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14 Nov 2012 22:18 by andyintorre Star rating in Costa Blanca. 104 posts Send private message

 I have no problem with the position you take, I also never asked to be taken seriously, in fact if you don't wish to take me or anyone els seriously is of no interest at all.

My comment was aimed at someone trying to give the impression that he is the only person who does things correctly in Spain. 

 





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14 Nov 2012 22:47 by Pitby Star rating in Andalucía. 1904 posts Send private message

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andyintorre, as an early retired 'hombre' (one never knows!) 'enjoying life in the sun" rather than question someone else's helpful posts, why don't you relate your own experiences of, perhaps, submitting your annual resident/non resident tax returns in spain, registering for healthcare, social security, etc., rather than just insulting someone else's attempts to help other members?





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15 Nov 2012 04:55 by TandA Star rating. 39 posts Send private message

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Bobaol

Thanks for your constructive reply, unfortunately it seems to be different in Andalucia.

My accountant has checked and I do not have a social security number.

So I'm back to my original question of 'should I register or not?'





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15 Nov 2012 06:47 by guslopez Star rating in Lorca, Murcia.. 745 posts Send private message

It won't make any difference to you when the work stops. Normally everyone has one, even when they don't work , for healthcare applications.



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15 Nov 2012 09:14 by johnzx Star rating in Spain. 5241 posts Send private message

Thanks  Elaineg and Pitby.
 
Andy 
 
Thanks for acknowledging that as a former police officer,  who joined to be part of the service to help provide a service to the public, that I am still doing my best to help those who may not know, to save them falling foul of the law.  However it is my choice to do so and thus I do not seek gratitude.
 
 
Enjoy your early retirement as I have been doing for the past 25 years in Spain, since I retired  at 48





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15 Nov 2012 09:26 by TandA Star rating. 39 posts Send private message

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Guslopzez

Thanks for your help.

Regards





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15 Nov 2012 10:36 by claire T Star rating in Torremendo, Orihuela. 689 posts Send private message

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Hi TandA - I don´t think you have a choice.  If you have been offered a contract, albeit a temporary one, then your employer seems to want to do everything legally.  Rather uncommon I know!  He needs to be able to deduct your Social Security payments and tax, and may not be willing to employ you at all if you don´t register.

Employers in Spain can be prosecuted for having people working for them who are not legally registered.  We had an unannounced inspection not so long ago and they checked that everyone in the office was either employed or registered as autonomo (self employed).  If we hadn´t been able to satisfy them that we were all legal then the owner would have been fined.  We even have to be careful if a client wants to use our computer to check something as, if there is someone sitting behind a desk when the inspector calls, then they regard that person as working in that office.



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15 Nov 2012 11:14 by TandA Star rating. 39 posts Send private message

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Hi Claire

Thanks for your reply.

I did understand that the job was conditional upon obtaining a social security number. I was just trying to be sure that it was worth it for what may only be a short job and that it would not cause expense and complication afterwards.

Anyway I will be going to the local office to obtain the sseg number and accepting the job for however long as it lasts.

( I hope that this will end this thread as it seems to have been hi-jacked lol )





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20 Dec 2012 19:09 by davidjrowe Star rating. 37 posts Send private message

 Have a look at the services offered by Touchstone Spain, you can work legally here and not pay Social, simply allow Touchstone to handle your contracting and take out private health care and a private pension you are better off than paying the 250 per month plus in Social.





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20 Dec 2012 22:27 by guslopez Star rating in Lorca, Murcia.. 745 posts Send private message

" davidjrowe

20 Dec 2012 19:09

 Have a look at the services offered by Touchstone Spain, you can work legally here and not pay Social, simply allow Touchstone to handle your contracting and take out private health care and a private pension you are better off than paying the 250 per month plus in Social. "

 

What part of  " to do any work ,social security has to be paid "  in the legislation don't you understand ?  You cannot work legally without paying soc.sec.

 



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20 Dec 2012 22:33 by Roberto Star rating in Torremolinos. 4495 posts Send private message

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I don't think it is possible (in Andalucia) to be registered for healthcare without having a social security number. Check your health cards again, as suggested already. As well as your NIE, you should see your ss number on it.
Incidentally, with the recent health care reforms, you may find that your entitlement to health care gets cancelled unless you are either paying ss or registered as a pensioner. So absolutely yes, I would register via your employment (if you aren't already) and your partner can then (hopefully) register as a dependent.

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20 Dec 2012 22:48 by Roberto Star rating in Torremolinos. 4495 posts Send private message

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Sorry, can't seem to edit previous post, hence the additional.

Back to your original question, I'm not clear what your objection to registering is? What are you concerned about? Perhaps, despite being registered as a resident, on the padrón, receiving free state health care etc., you want to avoid being classified as a fiscal resident? Do you submit annual tax declarations? If not, why not?
Not trying to probe or pry into your personal affairs, just trying to understand the point of your question.

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21 Dec 2012 05:04 by Mungry Star rating. 329 posts Send private message

as i interpret it

he has been fine for 6 years without it.

he is wondering the impications of registering for a permanent card that may cost money monthly forever when he may only be working 3 months.

just register and you will be fine



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