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06 Nov 2012 21:39 by hamibabe Star rating in West Mids. 1317 forum posts Send private message

Hi

I know there is a thread covering the none info re the AGM

But I think we have shot ourselves in the foot

When Phil Tann was Level 1 he always notified us all via EOS with date. Name of those currently elected. Info on how we can vote by proxy & forms etc.

Unfortunately he did not toe the line as far as ML was concerned & used the opportunity to get rid of him while he was out of the country.

Some of you really slagged him off though many had the gall to admit that they had never met him. In the UK you are innocent until proven guilty. This did not happen

Now ML`s devious means are showing. The new Level 1 has not bothered to do as Phil did & from comments on the other thread, she did nowt whilst just a garden president so we can hardly expect her to do more this time..

I think this is the start of what could be a serious wakeup call for us all.

Hopefully we will learn from this & not be so gullible in the future

Jan

 


 


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06 Nov 2012 22:41 by chaddyowl Star rating in Manchester. 1264 forum posts Send private message

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Jan, People dont realise how serious this is!!

There may not be much of a future if this is allowed to continue.

The purse/wallet is empty and they continue on same path because they lose nothing WE DO!!




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07 Nov 2012 08:46 by stonephil Star rating in Stone Staffordshire .... 399 forum posts Send private message

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Emailed ML this morning ad jusr received reply below:

 

 

"The agm is jardines is taking place on the 1st of December. In the following days you will be receiving the call for the meeting including the agenda and also the proxy and voting form.

 

Regards ML"

 

 

 

 


 



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07 Nov 2012 09:43 by thekeeve Star rating in Hope, West Wales and.... 277 forum posts Send private message

I e-mailed them yesterday.  Nothing.




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07 Nov 2012 11:34 by ptan Star rating in Los Naranjos Jardine.... 1696 forum posts Send private message

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 The law states that only 6 days notice are required for the AGM, so the aganda ( which is still being worked on ) should be sent at the latest sometime next week for Naranjos and the week after for Jardines.

With regard to proxies this is under dsipute as ML are trying to chance the rules,  here is a extract from an email I sent them following a meeting of level 2 that was held on Oct 11th whilst I was in the UK ;-

With regards to the minutes, it is disappointing to see that you are still conducting meetings that do not conform to the statutes of the community, but most worrying is the following section ;-
 

Whilst I understand that you wish to reduce your workload by having proxies registered before the AGM this proposal is illegal.  
The Horizontal Property Act states ;-

Section 15

1. Unit owners may attend meetings of the general assembly in person or by legal or voluntary representation, for which a written proxy signed by the unit owner is sufficient accreditation


So you cannot refuse proxies being presented on the day,  as you can see the law also states that "proxy signed by the unit owner is sufficient accreditation"  so you therefore cannot insist that owners bring a copy of DNI or password to your office.  The signed proxies need only be sent to the person that the owner wishes to represent them.



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07 Nov 2012 12:05 by chaddyowl Star rating in Manchester. 1264 forum posts Send private message

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ML will kill the resort with the help of Owner Apathy then move on to pastures new with OUR CASH in THEIR pockets!!

It is that simple people..




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07 Nov 2012 12:28 by Fighter2 Star rating. 237 forum posts Send private message

You all have very little time to avert a dictatorship takeover by your administration company... clearly they have no respect for the HPL which is the law of Spain in relation to the affairs of communities and entidads but more importantly and as I suspected  they have NO RESPECT for your rights as an owner, that is very very clear from the copy of minutes in a previous post.

They know full well that their only obstacle to taking total control are the large number of absent voters, if they can ostracise them by whatever means they can contrive they are home and dry.

We have been down this path in the hands of apathy and a committee that were weak and hoodwinked by a smart but very devious administrator just 3 years ago. It cost us very dear and took a long time to recover from.

Good luck to you all, I shall watch with interest.

Barry


 


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08 Nov 2012 16:59 by chaddyowl Star rating in Manchester. 1264 forum posts Send private message

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Thanks for the input Fighter!

Just hope people on site realise the seriousness of THEIR situation and do something about it!




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09 Nov 2012 00:47 by ladylola Star rating in Swansea . Los Nara.... 337 forum posts Send private message

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I do not understand the first post on this thread other than it is another pop at Mileniun. Equally whilst I do accept Phil Tanns point  that proxy votes should be accepted on the day of the AGM(s) the fact that they should be verified is more than reasonable - manipulation and pursuit of personal agendas can work both ways in this equation - and the willingness of some residents and owners to sabotage their own resort through this site clearly shows that they are more than happy to do that.

I do not find it acceptable that a spin is put on what is happening regarding the AGM(s). I received an email that was posted via Mileniun by my current garden president regarding allocating my proxy vote. This was sent a moth ago. A PDF form was filled in and a further request was made for a copy of my current passport to verify my proxy vote to be used.

This was a process that involved 2 emails and took no more that 10 minutes of my time - I am comfortable that my vote is being made as I wish. Why is it a problem that a copy of a verification document is requested is to avoid abuse - isn't this reasonable? Surely anyone who is an existing president or a prospective one can take the same option to contact their garden residents. If they chose not to it says more about their attitude that Mileniun.

I remember when this was a constructive forum and not a vicious chat room where people chose to score points and direct questions that should be routed through official channels. I only hope that people who show an interest in CdA do not take the standard of vitriol regularly displayed here as a true representation of all owners on the resort.



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09 Nov 2012 01:24 by chaddyowl Star rating in Manchester. 1264 forum posts Send private message

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Thanks for your input Ladylola.

I tried to get a blank form in person from ML 2 weeks ago but they said no even with NIE and passport unless I gave it to them after completing.

You can see where the mistrust lies from my perspective I presume?

I want to go to the meeting with it in my hand but they say NO. Mmmm




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09 Nov 2012 09:49 by ladylola Star rating in Swansea . Los Nara.... 337 forum posts Send private message

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I can only refer you to my previous comment regarding existing or potential presidents using the same option mine has to contact voters. I would also reiterate that this type of thread detracts from the whole resort.

I wonder if the agenda for the AGM(s) not being finalised is again certain owners blocking  things deliberately to try and make Mileniun look like the bad guy? Some might say that this is a tactic that has been employed to help them pursue their own destructive agenda in the past and is still being used now. Only they know but they only have their interests at heart if this is the case.


 


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09 Nov 2012 11:39 by hamibabe Star rating in West Mids. 1317 forum posts Send private message

 

Hi
Firstly can I say that you are very lucky to have a garden president that keeps you updated?
We have never received any communication from our garden president in all of the years we have been an owner & my comments were just that. It was not a pop at millenium just a comment that Phil Tann as Level 1 kept every one informed via EOS & so far I have not read anything from the new level 1.
Can I also clarify that we have NEVER regretted buying on Condado
We have made many good friends of all nationalities and hate to have to return to the UK after many great holidays.
The growth on Condado makes for a wonderful place to be and with the continual growth of businesses opening we would certainly advise anyone who is considering purchasing to go ahead
Jan

 


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09 Nov 2012 17:38 by smivs Star rating in Oldham - Jardin 2,.... 700 forum posts Send private message

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Emailed ML 3 days ago for a proxy form and also attached a copy of my passport ......   still no reply!!!!!!!!!!!!



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09 Nov 2012 18:11 by ladylola Star rating in Swansea . Los Nara.... 337 forum posts Send private message

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Why do people think it is a good idea or acceptable for communications to be posted on a public and very open website? it's like me thanking my bank manager for posting my latest bank statement on a public forum so I can see it. If you don't know who your president is find out - don't use a public forum to complain as that will not provide the answer. Time for me to opt out of EOS again as I can not relate to the 'logic' being used or the destructive mentality of some posters. Such a pity to see what was a great forum destroyed in such a way. 



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09 Nov 2012 18:23 by smivs Star rating in Oldham - Jardin 2,.... 700 forum posts Send private message

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It is perhaps as well you are opting out how else are we supposed to communicate and network with fellow residents/owners when we are not all there at the same time?  I thought that was the reason for such forums!!



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09 Nov 2012 19:24 by hamibabe Star rating in West Mids. 1317 forum posts Send private message

Hi Gary & Angela

I for one do know who my garden president is. I have known his name & his address on Condado since he was first elected.

He does not know who I am because it is evident he cannot be bothered to find out.

Having purposely traveled to Campasol to have a letter translated into spanish & having posted the same into his mail box I have still not had anycommunication from him

I am not alone when I say this.

Jan

 


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09 Nov 2012 19:48 by chaddyowl Star rating in Manchester. 1264 forum posts Send private message

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Jan,

Some people are so naive and Blinkered they can't see the wood for the trees!
God help us when it hits the fan!


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09 Nov 2012 19:59 by moalan Star rating. 18 forum posts Send private message

Hi Folks, i have been watching this thread with interest to me how can you trust someone when they smile in your face and then stick a knife in your ribs wake up people get your vote in

 




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10 Nov 2012 12:04 by smivs Star rating in Oldham - Jardin 2,.... 700 forum posts Send private message

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Sadly I feel it may already have hit the fan chaddyowl, if we haven't got enough money to meet our obligations in 2013 then that can only be bad for the resort as something will have to give.  I hope that people are concerned enough about their investment and resort  to make the effort and put their vote in even though aparthy rules with some!!!



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11 Nov 2012 10:38 by robbo17 Star rating. 42 forum posts Send private message

I for one do not know who my President is and I have an apartment on Jardin 13 if they want to make themselves known i may even vote for them that is if Ml give me my right to vote but after 5years I doubt that will happen.Hey ho.


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