Spain: Who Is Responsible For The Property Bubble?

Post reply   Start new thread
:: New - Old :: Old - New

Pages: 1 |

Forum home :: Latest threads :: Search forums
The Comments
25 Feb 2009 12:00 AM by Rob in Madrid Star rating in Madrid. 274 posts Send private message

Rob in Madrid´s avatar

I know this subjects been beaten to death but I came across and interesting article via Google alerts

Spain: Who Is Responsible For The Property Bubble?  http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticlepaged/articleid/3059512/pageid/1

I posted this comment, he tends to blame the ECB but I say every central banker in the world reduced interest rates and encouraged easy lending.

 

There is actually an easy way to detect housing bubbles and it's rent to mortgage ratio. In a proper market rents and mortgages should more or less equal each other. In a boom market rents don't rise as fast as house prices because people are buying for capital gains not for income.

Take for example Madrid. Average rent is around 1000 to 1200 euros a month. But to buy the same property (even with a 10% downpment) would easily run double that.

Second point is wages, as house prices out shoot the ability of people to buy at some point the numbers of 1st time home buyers begins to drop, that signals the beginning of the end.

Why don't people notice, well unfortunately housing bubbles tend to run on much longer than stock market bubbles.



_______________________

Decided after all I don't like Spanish TV, that is having compared both.




Like 0      
27 Feb 2009 8:43 AM by rowlandsbb Star rating in Gloucestershire &Hue.... 779 posts Send private message

rowlandsbb´s avatar

We all played  a part !

Owning a home anywhere in the world , in every country is everyone's dream and when they have this, they dream of a holiday home

In modern economies this desire fuels the booms

Some can play their active  part and benefit by the boom- get their home and/or holiday home and can manage to keep it 

But some will not be able to afford to ...but the dream lives on and eventually fuels the next boom 

And in our life time after each recession we seem to come out of it with a touch more wealth, with more home owners and more holiday home owners....and so on

In countries like UK where we have a high % of owner occupation the desire to have a holiday home moves up the priority ladder as soon as people can again afford one

In economic  terms the demand for homes on the Costas because of the 'life style' is for ever increasing.....but the effective demand [ those who can afford to buy] goes up and down with the economy in their home country

So we will see a boom again......but as we are now in a very deep recession it will take a bit longer to get going again!

In the meantime those lucky people who can afford to buy in the depressed times have an opportunity, perhaps the best of their lifetime, to get that home in Spain at a bargain price



_______________________

 

 

 




Like 0      
27 Feb 2009 5:23 PM by Rob in Madrid Star rating in Madrid. 274 posts Send private message

Rob in Madrid´s avatar

totally agree, with the exception of the Germans everyone wants to own not rent. The wife and I are moving, (god I hope for the last time what a pain) into a house that were renting with the option to buy. We're doing this for the same reasons as everyone else

20 degree in February, can't beat that. And were not even on the coast.

 



_______________________

Decided after all I don't like Spanish TV, that is having compared both.




Like 0      
28 Feb 2009 3:24 PM by Nick Snelling Star rating. 1 posts Send private message

I am perplexed by why anyone has any doubt about who is responsible for the property ‘bubble’.  The blame, surely, must be laid firmly at the door of national governments - whether in Spain, the UK, the US or elsewhere.

 

After all there was no secret about what was happening.  Far from it.  Look at any charts or financial information over the past five years and you will see that an unrealistic and unsupportable disparity between average incomes and property prices was obviously developing along with a massive rise in personal debt.

 

All the signs of a lethal ‘bubble’ were present even to the simple minded and had been flagged (at least for us Britons) as being similar to those that triggered the 1990s recession – rising mortgage to salary multiples, self-certification loans, increased mortgage terms and property over-valuations.  Meanwhile, property prices were rising at a rate that could only be considered artifical and for which there was no fundamentally sound reason.

 

In Spain, of course, all of this was mixed in with a total lack of planning or building control whether aesthetic, legal or logical.  Meanwhile, naiively, the Spanish believed that they had universally inherited the Midas touch despite being clueless about the size of the market, what the market wanted and how much property it required at a given price.

 

So, why are governments to blame when their populations were so obviously driven by an hysterically illogical belief in the acceptability of debt when combined with an absurd conviction that property was the supreme elixir of wealth?

 

The answer is simple.  The population of a country are not economists and tend to be as unsophisticated about financial matters as they are about the complexities of urban traffic flow.  This is understandable and why, as taxpayers, a population employs, through the state apparatus, specialists and specialist departments - whether for health and safety or for the economy.  These specialists, such as the FSAs, are paid (normally highly) to ensure the long term well being of the majority of the population.

 

Unfortunately, over the past few years governments and the state apparatus responsible for economic stability and control have failed – utterly - despite previous lessons and the facts indicating a catastrophe being obvious and available to them.

 

An apt analogy may be the desire of the population of a given town to move at unrestricted speed within their urban area (something, in principle, we all want!).  Despite a recent devastating, high speed crash - imagine a town council deciding to remove all traffic lights and speed inhibitors.  Over a period of time there would be many near fatal accidents of which the council would be fully aware before a truly terrible and all too predictable calamity - perhaps involving a lorry full of aviation fuel.

 

Recognise the lack of having learnt a previous lesson, removal of regulation, the irresponsibility and the lack of attention to the clear warning signs?  This is largely what has happened with the economy – with the property market allowed to freely tumble, like a bottle of nitro-glycerine, down a rocky slope.

 

None of us have a moral or intellectual problem with the imposition of traffic lights (despite disliking their inconvenience) if they prevent terrible and unnecessary accidents.  We expect and place our governments (locally or otherwise) under a duty of care to ensure that they prioritise our safety and well being.  Indeed, invariably, we elect our politicians on the basis of their claimed economic capability and tolerate any number of state financial regulations and impositions to ensure economic stability and safe growth.

 

We have been governed by the incompetent and innumerate – who have colluded in this mess together with their pulsilanimous FSAs, state banks and economics departments.  Their negligence has resulted in a situation of such gravity that most of us are unlikely to see anything so devastating ever again.

 

I can only hope that something has been learnt from the ‘bubble’ – not least that a healthy, stable property market is fundamentally important to the economy and well being of any country.  As such, it requires real care and constant attention with the regulation of the availability of ‘debt’ being one of the most important controls.  As a government, if you allow debt availability to spiral out of control then you are no better than a bystander who knowingly connects a fireman’s hose to a petrol pump.

 

Copyright Nick Snelling who is a journalist and author of ‘How to Sell your Spanish Property in a Crisis’ available from Amazon and all good book stores.  


 



This message was last edited by Nick Snelling on 2/28/2009.



Like 0      

Pages: 1 |

Post reply    Start new thread


Previous Threads

What's happened to Manilva Leisure ? - 9 posts
Wanted : Villa Rental - Mijas Costa - 0 posts
Snagging - 0 posts
Why oh why - 1 posts
Residents get together - 5 posts
Right Move International - 4 posts
Community Charges - 9 posts
Rose & Thistle - 0 posts
Saturday Feb 28th Andalucia Day... - 5 posts
Moving to spain - 6 posts
UK PLASMA TV IN SPAIN? - 2 posts
Iceland in Spain? - 43 posts
End of the Euro ?? Could it really happen - 3 posts
Does anyone know of a van with spare room coming from UK to Manilva Area in March 09 - 9 posts
Signature on documents - 2 posts
Keith and Liz we live in La Escha near Lorca Murcia - 1 posts
UK van & storage back working. 1st March in Scotland. - 0 posts
I'm frustrated by my inablity to learn Spanish - 52 posts
Ryanair to drop check in desks by end of year? - 8 posts
golf starter kits - bargain - 0 posts
buying a repossesion - 7 posts
NIE Application in Manchester - 3 posts
Football fans on the Costa Blanca - 0 posts
internet connection - 12 posts
Rattan furniture - 6 posts

Number of posts in this thread: 4

DISCLAIMER:  All opinions posted on these message boards are the opinion solely of the poster and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of Eye on Spain, its servants or agents.


1 |
Our Weekly Email Digest
Name:
Email:


This site uses cookies. By continuing to browse you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More information here. x