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10 Aug 2008 00:00 by big t Star rating in Wolverhampton/la cal.... 4 posts Send private message

Hi everyone I have just joined EOS and along with 2 ladies from our community in La Cala Costa Del Sol am trying to put some organisation into the running of our urbanisation and am trying to get the Spainish committee to work with us.
If anyone can advise I know Promedia has already mailled Suzanne but is there anyone that can tell me where I can get the latest rules regarding swimming pool legislation as this is the first mountain that we are trying to climb with our committee.



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10 Aug 2008 21:49 by Roberto Star rating in Torremolinos. 3872 posts Send private message

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Not sure how the private message system works now for new members so don't know if you can utilise it yet. If you or Suzanne can send me an e-mail address by PM (best not to post it on the forum if possible, for your own privacy) I can send you a Word attachment of at least part of the Andalucia Pool Rules, translated into English. Unfortunately it's not complete, but it's a starting point. Alternatively, you could ask your administrator to get hold of it for you - although getting an English translation may be tricky.

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11 Aug 2008 09:01 by big t Star rating in Wolverhampton/la cal.... 4 posts Send private message

thanks roberto have just requested to be able to send pm's don't how long it takes to set up.do you have anything on keeping pets on an urbanisation.

many thanks

trevor


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11 Aug 2008 12:20 by Roberto Star rating in Torremolinos. 3872 posts Send private message

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I have e-mailed Suzanne with the pol info.
I am not aware of any specific laws regarding pets, but your community may have it's own rules. You really need to obtain (if you don't already have it) a copy of the estatutos - the community rules set down by the developer, which may include things such as the colour of toldos (sun canopies) and the keeping of pets etc. Ask your administrator to request it from the developer if he doesn't already have it. Then get a friendly Spanish / English speaker to translate the important bits!

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11 Aug 2008 12:35 by morerosado Star rating in Guardamar del Segura.... 6943 posts Send private message

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Hi Trevor

Suzi is a personal friend of mine since long before she moved to the CDS & I've got (slightly) involved in her community problems & so I gave her email address to Roberto by way of a PM as I had the facility & realised you haven't yet..

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11 Aug 2008 12:44 by Roberto Star rating in Torremolinos. 3872 posts Send private message

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What are you doing here at this time of day, More?
Don't know about you, but I'm off down the pool now to cool off

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11 Aug 2008 12:50 by big t Star rating in Wolverhampton/la cal.... 4 posts Send private message

Morerosado

Many thanks for doing that hopefully suzi will pass on my email address to Roberto .  So you know what mountain we have got to climb but with all the hard work that is going on we will get there.  Hope to speak to you soon





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11 Aug 2008 12:51 by morerosado Star rating in Guardamar del Segura.... 6943 posts Send private message

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Roberto, since I bought us new pillows & a featherbed mattress topper I've been getting quality sleep & wake up hours before I used to, bearing in mind I'm on the PC often till 3am, as my OH regularly points out to me (as AVG displays time I shut PC off).  

Well, I chat to mates in USA & Australia.

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11 Aug 2008 22:11 by Gully Star rating. 1 posts Send private message


Hello folks

I wonder if any of you can help me. I am trying to get some detailed information on the national regulations/laws regarding safety for public/communnal swimming pools under Spanish law/jurisdiction. 

I was in Tenerife on holiday recently and had a bad fall by a pool. The hospital told me after x raying that my shoulder was 'contused'.  When I got back to UK and had it examined and x rayed, it was shown to be broken. I use swimming pools regularly in UK and never had a slip before. I know it can happen. But there have to be precautions taken for the public interest too. I found this on another  site and wonder how accurate it is. Does anyone know the source ? 



Spanish Swimming Pool Law: Communal Pools


Information on the legal safety and security requirements for shared communal/community swimming pools in complexes, and public pools. The regulations for pool security systems to help prevent drowning accidents.

The regulations regarding community pools generally apply to the control of water sanitation. However, the (Andalucía Government) have added a number of other stringent regulations regarding communal swimming pools which service over 20 dwelling units.

Swimming Pool Regulations

The regulations are as follows:

Children's Pools

Children's pools are those intended for use of children under six years of age. These pools should be no deeper than 40cm nor have slants or slopes of over 10 percent. Children's pools should be totally independent so not to allow children to gain access to other pool areas accidentally.

Pool Ladders

Ladders should be installed at least every 25 meters or fraction of the perimeter. They should be constructed of stainless steel for ease of cleaning and should be deep enough to allow for comfortable climbing, but must not reach the bottom of the pool.

Deck Characteristics

The deck is considered the area immediately around the pool. The deck should have a minimum width one meter and should be of a material that prevents slipping. Its design should prevent the formation of puddles and the flow of water back into the pool.

Life Buoys

Community pools should have as many life buoys as there are pool ladders. They should be installed in visible places and be accessible by swimmers. Each ring or life buoy must have a rope tied to it which is at least half the maximum width of the pool plus 3 meters.

First Aid

Swimming pools for collective use should have a Fist Aid kit with all necessary materials for treatment of pool users. If the pool water surface is over 600 meters squared, an easily accessible independent room, with appropriate signs, should be available to administer first aid.

Lifeguards

All swimming facilities for collective use with a total water surface area of 200 meters squared or more should have a qualified lifeguard. For swimming facilities of between 200 and 500 meters squared there should be one lifeguard. A minimum of two lifeguards are required for pool with a total water surface area of between 500 and 1000 meters squared, or one additional life guard per pool or per fraction of 500 meters squared.

Toilets

Community pools should provide toilets and dressing room facilities in well ventilated indoor premises. They should have running water, toilet paper, disposable towels and soap dispensers.

Showers

Showers should be placed in the vicinity of the pool area. Numbers of showers should be at least equal to the number of pool ladders. The shower base must be non-slip with a sufficient slope to allow for drainage. Shower heads should be either replaced on a yearly basis for the purposes of hygiene.

Register and Control Book

A Register and Control Book (libro de registro y control) should be kept for each pool. This book should be available for inspection at the request of both the health authority and any users of the pool facilities.

Pool Protection

When the pool is not in use, at night and in the off season, it should be protected by a lockable fence. There are currently no guidelines as to the height of the fence, however, with respect to French law, which is likely to be taken as the European standard, the fence should be a minimum of 1.2 meters in height and have self-locking gates. This is by far the safest measure, even when the pool is in use, as it ensures that young children cannot accidentally enter the pool area without supervision.

Signs

Every swimming facility for collective use should have displayed a set of Internal Rules which shall contain at least:

  • A prohibition to enter the bathing area wearing "street" clothes or shoes
  • An indication that it is compulsory to shower prior to entering the pool
  • A prohibition to litter and an indication to use waste paper bins
  • In indoor swimming facilities, an indication to use bathing caps
  • A prohibition to enter the swimming facility with pets, with the exception of guide dogs

Other signs that should be displayed in prominent positions are:

  • Water depth signs both at both ends of the pool and intermittently depending on the length of the pool
  • First aid and directions to it
  • Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation (CPR)
  • Toilets and directions to them
  • The Spanish Emergency Services number
Further Information

This is a very brief rundown of the laws regarding Community or Communal pools in Andalucía. These laws are continuously changing and updating. For further information contact a specialist in the field.

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I am specifically interested in 'Deck characteristics' and 'signs'. There was a definite lack of signing at the pools in the hotel, and the surface area immediately around the pool was very slippery, gathered puddles, and did not allow water to flow back into the pool. I was lucky my neck wasn't broken. It was bad enough to have this fall on second day of holiday. Another to be taken to the hospital to have a serious break completely misdiagosed and my being left for the remainder of the holiday in a lot of pain, no sleep and trying not to prevent further injury. I intend making the hotel and the hospital aware of this. I need to get as much as I can to back me up though - from a 'legal' perspective. It might actually prevent this happening to some poor soul in future and even save a life.

Can anyone tell me where I can get an  authentic source for these regulations/recommendations under spanish law ? Would be very much appreciated. 

Thank you 

Sincerely

Kevin





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10 Aug 2009 10:36 by jean28 Star rating. 13 posts Send private message

Does anyone have any information about the new regulation banning the use of li-lo's in communal pools.





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10 Aug 2009 11:44 by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 8585 posts Send private message

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What region in Spain?



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10 Aug 2009 13:47 by buzylizzie Star rating in Gibraltar, Manilva a.... 193 posts Send private message

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Gully

Did you book your holiday through a UK tour operator (i.e. Thomson, First Choice, Virgin etc) or similar? If so you should be able to make a claim against them as your contract was taken out in the UK. They are responsible for checking facilities in hotels abroad - if the hotel doesn't comply with the law the case will be a very simple one.

I suggest you take legal advice in the UK - I think this will be much easier than trying to sue anyone in another country, and by the sounds of it you do have a strong case..... 





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10 Aug 2009 19:43 by jean28 Star rating. 13 posts Send private message

Maria

We are in Alicante.

Jean





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11 Aug 2009 07:53 by Mr SpainHouseBuyer Star rating. 14 posts Send private message

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Hi Gully,

I had similar case. Well…….almost similar. When I stayed with my wife and kid, my mother and mother of my wife in Hilton on Maldives (Rangali Island) all of us (I’d like to emphasize it – ALL of us) had injury of slippery floor. It is because bungalow floor is made of polished artificial stone. In case you feet are wet you’ll definitely fall down. At the entrance of a bungalow there is a water tub. You have to use water from it to wash off sand from your feet. It means that your feet are definitely wet when you come in to a bungalow. It ended up pretty bad, because once my mother fell down and stroked her head against the column. Some stitches were applied on the Island by local doctor.
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Don’t guess. We did not receive any apologies  

Have fun!





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11 Aug 2009 12:53 by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 8585 posts Send private message

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Jean28:

No banning on li-lo´s in Communal Pools by the Regional regulations in Comunidad Valenciana. The only possibility is that the internal regulations for use of the pool agreed by the Community of owners have agreed on that prohibition.

Best,

Maria



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11 Aug 2009 13:53 by jean28 Star rating. 13 posts Send private message

Many thanks Maria, when I queired this with a member of the committee I was told that it was a new regulation and that the communnity would be liable to a 2000 euros fine if the police found anyone using a li-lo. Jean

 





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11 Aug 2009 13:55 by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 8585 posts Send private message

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Come on!.... again. It seems ift is the day-phrase today.

Maria

 



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02 Oct 2009 15:24 by rene1 Star rating. 1 posts Send private message

Hi Gully,

 This law is only valid for the “Andalucía” region and not for Tenerife. Each Autonomic region in Spain has their own law regarding the collectively used pools.
 
For example the rule that “All swimming facilities for collective use with a total water surface area of 200 meters squared or more should have a qualified lifeguard” does not exists in Tenerife (but for Valencia this rule does also exists).
 
Here (in Tenerife) it depends on other criteria: is it a residential complex or touristic? Is the pool fenced off or not?, etc.
 
Write in google: Boletín Oficial de Canarias núm. 236, jueves 1 de diciembre de 2005
 
Here you have the complete legalization regarding the collectively used swimming pools. It is in Spanish but maybe it will help you.
 
I would by the way advise you to find yourselves a Spanish lawyer on Tenerife. It is my experience that almost all complexes do not (completely) obey the above mentioned law.
 
Go for more information to our website.
 
René
Hestria Administración de Fincas, S.L.
 




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11 Nov 2010 20:36 by cliffmason Star rating. 6 posts Send private message

Please could anyone tell me if there is a law against lilo's or large inflatables in swiming pools in the Valencian are of Spain, if anyone has any links to offical Spanish law that would be great. thank you.





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11 Nov 2010 21:38 by Flybynight Star rating. 60 posts Send private message

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We are definitely NOT permitted to have any inflatables in our communal pool, we're in the Valencian community. (Never stops some but they are NOT allowed).

I saw this that supports what I've said too, from others in our area.

http://www.eyeonspain.com/forums/posts-long-11295.aspx


 



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