Hello

For those interested the following information I found on a Spanish website www.ciao.es

"Para la gente que no lo sepa, el "Grupo Naiera Proyectos Construcciones Y Energias, S.L.", no es más que un nuevo intento de ocultar el manchado nombre de Grupo Urbasa de cara a nuevos posibles trabajadores y proveedores.

No se dan cuenta de que lo que falla en esa empresa es la familia que la dirige. Por muchos trabajadores que cambien o por muchas nuevas subempresas que creen, si la dirección (el cáncer) no cambian, el Grupo Naiera se irá a pique.

Esperemos que más pronto que tarde hagan el petate y se vuelvan para Albacete."  

Roughly translated "for those people that aren't aware, Grupo Naiera Proyectos Construcciones Y Energias, S.L is nothing more than a new attempt to conceal the tarnished name of Grupo Urbasa with a view to attracting new suppliers and workers. It is still run by the same failed family.

In other words Grupo Urbasa's new name is Grupo Naiera Proyectos Construcciones Y Energias, S.L.

does anyone know if urbasa have re opened the office in almoradi yet  !!

nice one lucydog

Hello All,

I have just come out of a two hour meeting with the sales director of Grupo Urbasa in Elche and the following points are relevant.

1. From the outset Palmera Properties knew that the completion date for Amarion 111 was October 2007.

2. The whole of the apartment block of Amarion 111 was bought by  an Israeli investor in 2002 who then employed Palmera properties to sell the individual apartments.

3. Palmera Properties will not give Urbasa the details of the Israeli investor or his contact details.

4. When individuals bought their properties from Palmera , the sale was regarded as a resale and not off plan.

5. Grupo Urbasa have got severe financial problems.

6. Grupo Urbasa as yet do not have a builder to complete the building of Amarion 111, but they say that they are looking for one.

7. Grupo Urbasa state that onbce the building recommences it will take up to 4 months to complete.

8. Grupo Urbasa state that they have until the end of October 2007 to complete but that they do not expect it to be completed  this year.

9. Palmera Properties are ignoring requests from Grupo Urbasa to arrange a meeting between them and for the details of the Israeli investor who is totally unaware ( according to Urbasa ) of the situation of Amarion 111

10. Palmera Properties did not tell Urbasa that they were closing their Alicante offices.

11. Palmera Properties were aware in 2004 (april) that Grupo Urbasa were experiencing  financial difficulties.

12 Grupo Urbasa have nmot received the full amounts of the depositsm from Palmera Properties.

Legally speaking nothing can be done before the end of  October. The impression I got was that Grupo Urbasa were being quite truthful and that they have been kept in the dark by Palmera properties.

I also got the impression that if Grupo Urbasa  was sued for the deposits that they would experienc difficulties in paying them out to people who have bought.

Vijam

This doesn't sound right to us because if the aprtments had been sold to an investor Urbasa would have known who they were because they would have had a contract with them & us as "supposedly resales" would have the contract with the investor as he is selling them on & not Urbasa.

our contract is with urbasa

Hi,

The point that I am trying to make is that Urbasa made a contract with Palmera to sell the apartments. Palmera sold the whole block of the apartments to an Israeli investor without informing Urbasa.Urbasa know that there is a n Israeli investor, but they do not know who he is or how to contact him.Palmera have been contracted by the Israeli investor to sell the individual apartments.

I am passing on the information which was told to me by Urbasa in Elche on Tuesday this week.

vijam

We totally agree with Lucydog our contract is with Urbasa and was purchased off plan not a resale, when we purchased not one brick was laid .

You can agree with who you want to, ask Urbasa

vijam

SOUNDS TO ME LIKE URBASA ARE PASSING THE BLAME AGAIN

WE HAVE BOUGHT OFF PLAN WITH URBASA AND THE CONTRACT IS WITH THEM NOT ANY ONE ELSE

WHAT EVER THEY SAY

SORRY VIJAM PUT I THINK THEY ARE TELLING YOU A PILE OF CR-P WE ALL HAVE CONTRACTS WITH URBASA

Hi

watching this site every day and cant understand why you are shooting the messenger every one is trying to keep every one informed, I for one thank Vijam for his information but dont understand why others are being so rude, even if the information is wrong at least they have taken the time to pass it on.

This close to end of contract lets not take it out on each other but use the anger against thoes to blame.

Just my thought.

p.s

Philansy thought you said fell welll and was getting your money refunded on another property? Good Luck

Meeyee

Don’t think anyone means to fall out or be rude on here, personally  I welcome all posts and thank everyone for input, however we all have to remind ourselves that we are getting nowhere with the Spanish crooks the goal posts keep moving daily sometimes, emotions are running high in my opinion we have no option now but the legal one as soon as the contract is up ( as a joint action )and see where that takes us .

Regards

Graham

PS I am over there next 10 days from monday I will inform on here of any news /developments once again thanks to all who post

Hi Mayee

i have bought another property out there and the people that i bought amarion 111 from have given me 20,000 euro's off the new property and they have given me a letter saying any money i get back from urbasa for amarion 111 i can also keep that

so i did get a good deal from them

as for urbasa i have asked for the money back and i have given them a signed form saying i want it back

they told me they cant do anything till 18th october  -  just goto wait

Hi Misty

we are out there on the 19th sept for 18 days if you fancy meeting up for a chat we are going on the almoradi market on sat 22nd

We will also be in Almordi on the 22nd at the market if we would very much like to meet you all.We will stand by the steps to the churchin the square at 1pm do hope we see you. We fly out 7am Tuesday the18th.Gabe (Janet and Ron)

Hi Gabe will see you there at  1 p.m

Hi All,

Just had sight of a letter from Urbasa dated 17th September to be sent out to all clients, the Jist is :-

• thet they are very apollogetic for the delay,
• once they start it will take 4 months to complete
• Can we send them copies of all correspondance, reciepts, contracts etc related to the purchase !!

no start or completion date though.

Have been dealing with Ainhoa Reyes at Urbasa who seems to be very helpful - at the moment.

Just thought I'd let you Know.

Glynn.

Hi all got that email too!  we are all supposed to be receiving it or at least  'A Letter'.

Anyone not got that will send it to you if you would like (Well, will ask John to when he gets home, dont really know how to put copy of an e.mail on here???)

kind regards

Trish

Hi all, I have had a meeting in Elche today with accounts manager. I am in recipt of the letter, yes apologetic and yes they require previous correspondance. There is definately a foreign investor and technically we have all bought resales.

Urbasa desperately require contact details of all purchasers inorder to explain the situation and gather information which they say is necessary for their bank. From what i can gather Palmera are not being atall cooperative and are not prepared to give Urbasa contact details which I find rather bizzare.

I shall post some more information on this site tomorrow for people to contact Urbasa direct on along with the said letter.

Cheers, Mike 

many thanks mikeb for the info

it does appear to back up to some extent what Vijam said in his earlier messages last week

what crazy confused and  possibly crooked  situation we have here! on the face of it if all that has been said has some foundation then either palmera or urbasa have sold the block both to us purchasers and a "foreign investor" ?  my signed contract for one is direct with urbasa and surely all others who have bought via palmera and or their various sub agents have also their contracts signed directly by and with urbasa. if not why not as urbasa has always been shown as the owner/developer and as such their signed contract is the only valid one? 

urbasa would  have all the contact details for each buyer they have  received deposits from and issued and signed contracts with? assuming all the apartments were sold they should have in their records 140 or so contracts. we have all had letters and emails etc direct from urbasa so why do they now need our contact details all over again?

what have all these "lawyers" expensively employed by buyers to supposedly protect their interests been doing for 3/4 years?why have they not picked up on any possible improper dealings earlier? 

feels like we have been,are all being, and will be continued to be screwed until this sorry episode in our lives ends one way or another.

puts your faith in human nature it does not .

good luck to us all we will need it

bilcar

Hi all,

In one of the first letters from Palmera dated 1/11/2003 It says " CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY OF  HANNIA MELLOUL TO WHOM PALMERA PROPERTIES WILL, ON YOUR INSTRUCTIONS DELIVER ALL PAYMENTS RECEIVED LEADING TO THE FORMALISING OF THE PRIVATE CONTRACT OF SALE BETWEEN THE BUYER AND THE SELLER" etc etc

Is Hannia Melloul from Urbasa? Or this person who it seems we have bought resales from?

It seems to be down to Palmera again....lies lies lies???