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17 Jul 2007 12:00 AM by JPD Star rating in Hull, East Yorkshire.... 391 forum posts Send private message

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Hi All well. we have tried to  contact our solicitor today, we are now taking the action of joining the Costa Del sol Action group. Its a group that has been going for 18 months and I am sorry but I cant hang around anymore. Its 500euros to join them , they are taking action against Palmera. I really feel the need to move. It truly think this is the only way. I fully respect all of your thoughts on this. But I am going for it now.

Kind regards

We are here if you need to talk

John  and Trish




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18 Jul 2007 6:36 PM by JPD Star rating in Hull, East Yorkshire.... 391 forum posts Send private message

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Dear John & Trish,

I am sorry to hear the Palmera Properties affliction has reached you too. We are spread all over the Costas in this matter and you will note from the attached case studies list that we are nearing forty cases.

People are joining the CDSAG B Group for 250 euros and then contributing 500 euros to our lawyers IURA Despacho Juridico of Fuengirola. I am attaching documents and will send to you copy e-mails which show what we are doing please also look at our web site. It is important that we have the authority to the lawyers signed by you both.

I shall need copies of your documents especially the contract and evidence of payment to Palmera Properties or their lawyers. I do not like faxed copies because they are a mess, so can you please either scan documents to me or post them to my address below.

Best regards,

It appears we are not the only ones Palmera have ripped off we are going to join this action group




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18 Jul 2007 6:46 PM by JPD Star rating in Hull, East Yorkshire.... 391 forum posts Send private message

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     Hi All

This is another E-mail from the Costa Del Sol Action Group

        We had a most interesting meeting yesterday with Rob Hayles and Steve Stormont over for the day from the UK at the offices of our lawyers IURA Despacho Juridico in Fuengirola. Tomás Fernández, the senior partner, and his daughter Rocío plus two other lady lawyers were present.

Rob and Steve had their Palmera Properties and Grupo Mirador files of correspondence and documents with them.

Tomás Fernández is familiar with Palmera Properties and their nefarious activities. Apparently they have been engaged in the same racket for thirty years. There are points of Spanish law to consider. One point relates to the date when monies were paid over because post-2003 there is a legal obligation to provide a guarantee for deposits paid on property purchases.

There is an obvious and blatant fraud being perpetrated by Palmera Properties and/or Grupo Mirador. There now appears to be evidence to suggest that the Benalmadena front-line La Perla de Mirador where Rob & Steve are ‘’buying’’ is being promoted and sold all over again under a new name. They still have not cemented one brick to another and have no intention of doing so.

Tomás’ advice is quite simple. Palmera Properties have to be hit hard and fast now. The land in Benalmadena might already have been sold on to another party. It appears that Palmera Properties’ practice is to do a deal with a developer such as Grupo Mirador to buy and then market chunks of a development off plan. That way they secure the properties at a most favourable price and then keep selling them on at a profit.

There is no point in individuals hacking away at Palmera Properties and being fed like after lie with added prevarication.

Buyers have to club together both to reduce legal costs by spreading the expense and to give power to Tomas’ elbow. The more buyers he represents and the more clout he will have.

Palmera Properties do buckle under the right pressure. Tomas’ wants to confront them and their lawyers with the allegations of fraud which will not be too difficult to prove. If a promoter or agent sits on your deposit for three or four years and still nothing is built then your case looks fairly prima facie. If they fail to respond then he proposes to go to the Judge at the court to make formal allegations of fraud which would move the case into more hazardous waters for Palmera Properties and their associates. They would then be looking at claims on members’ behalf for punitive damages for fraud plus fines and even imprisonment.

Rob and Steve were going back to IURA today to give that firm power of attorney under Spanish law to act on their behalf. That is a necessity before an action can start.

Rob & Steve paid 250 euros to join the CDSAG for which they have the benefit of the assistance the CDSAG can give them in this matter. The legal costs in Spain as in most countries do not come cheap. This is where we also help our members. Normally you would have to pay thousands of euros up front to launch such an action. Tomás has agreed to accept a payment on account of costs from our members of 1,500 euros (£1,000 approx.) on the basis that we come up with ’’several’’ clients.

I happened to speak with a friend of mine today who owns property in Benalmadena. A friend of his had a similar experience with Palmera Properties and eventually under pressure they did pay him off with a very much post-dated cheque. Much to everyone’s surprise the cheque cleared.

Please join our Group and next I shall address the other Palmera Properties problem in Antequera.

Best regards,




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19 Jul 2007 1:02 PM by MikeB Star rating in Norwich. 40 forum posts Send private message

Hi, unable to open your e-mail my direct e-mail is almoradimike@yahoo.co.uk

Not sure why probably me being stupid, cheers, Mike




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25 Jul 2007 4:34 PM by jamrock Star rating. 30 forum posts Send private message

Hi JPD,

I have read with interest your article on the CSDAG and the money that people are paying.I would like to know what the aims of the CDSAG are in relation to AMARION111 and what gaurantees do CDSAG give.

If your aim is to get your property completed I do not see how CDSAG can help you, as the poeople who matter are Palmera and Urbasa.

If your aim is to get your money back, how are the CSDAG going to help.

I would be quite willing to join the CSDAG but I need to know more information about their aims in relation to Amarion 111 and how they arew going to help me.

I would hate  to throw good money after bad

Jamrock




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27 Jul 2007 7:49 PM by haydngj Star rating in ALGORFA. 403 forum posts Send private message

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how can this forum allow sciroco estate a.k.a.  palmera properties , advertise after all the cons they have ongoing 


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27 Jul 2007 11:56 PM by philansy Star rating in uk. 504 forum posts Send private message

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has anybody asked palmera if they can do you a deal on a different property that is ready now were they can nock your deposits off what you have paid so you dont lose out if urbasa do go bust

this is what my estate agent is doing for me and a few others and they are letting us keep the money that we get back from urbasa ( our deposits )  they are out of there contract now or soon   so we can also nock this money of the new apartments when we win in court  - if we need to take them to court that is - more than likely

I suppose it would be worth asking even if you dont trust them now ( who can you trust after going through all of this )

i would love to have amarion 111 after waiting all this time, but no builders, no bank guarantee's , they cant tell us when they are starting or finishing

i dont trust em anymore, when i last rang laura  she didnt want to come to the phone and that pushed me over the edge

Hope it works out for you all and you all get somert sorted

 




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28 Jul 2007 9:30 AM by misty Star rating. 107 forum posts Send private message

 

Phil /  All

I wouldn’t give Palmera or any other agent of which many are crooks another penny of my money after wants gone on, my personnel advice is that if Spain is still a dream is to spend some time there looking around at resale’s last year I saw many 2 bedded apartments for around 95,000 euros buying direct from the vendor and arranging your own solicitor, saving you the fees.

I will ring  Urbasas H/O next week and inform on here of the latest bad news or latest lies they give me.

Regards




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28 Jul 2007 8:33 PM by debaz10 Star rating in Burnley. 36 forum posts Send private message

Amarion III Apartments

Development not fully completed. The builder cannot meet the completion date scheduled for June 2007. Please, contact the builder direct for further information.

Urbasa
Calle Reina Victoria 15, Entlo.
03201 Elche, Alicante
Tel. 0034 966 662 585
email: laura@grupourbasa.com

Latest info from the builder as of 23rd July. New contact person is Ainhoa Reyes, ainhoa@grupourbasa.com who will attend clients directly.



This is what Palmera have got now on their website re developments update ,A NEW PERSON TO DEAL WITH,as anyone spoke to her yet?

Also when clicking on contact palmera just noticed that they have now a office Murcia , any1 any details about this?

Murcia
C/ Abenarabi, 1 Bajo
Edificio Thaís
Murcia 30007
Spain
Phone: (+34) 968 237 072
Fax: (+34) 968 237 072




Debbie and Barry


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29 Jul 2007 9:35 AM by philansy Star rating in uk. 504 forum posts Send private message

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Nice one dabaz10

I will give her a ring monday

  ( hope laura dont answer ) SHE AS FELL OUT WITH ME

will let you all know what they say




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29 Jul 2007 4:24 PM by skinner Star rating in Littlehampton. West .... 60 forum posts Send private message

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Hi and many thanks Debaz 10. It may be worth trying to send an email to this new person Ainhoa Reyes, Just to see if he/she can lie as well as the rest of them

Regards to all

Dave



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29 Jul 2007 5:43 PM by JPD Star rating in Hull, East Yorkshire.... 391 forum posts Send private message

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Hi all we have spoken to Ainhoa..... Why someone new ?Laura was under too much pressure???? Is Ainhoa part of the receivers?????

So has Laura lost her job....are Palmera opening another place in Murcia moving on WHY DO THEY NEED TO KEEP MOVING???? And changing names?

We are just being passed from pillar to post.. sorry guys it all just stinks

Keep hoping..

John and Trish x




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30 Jul 2007 9:23 AM by philansy Star rating in uk. 504 forum posts Send private message

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JUST RANG URBASA

THE PERSON WHO I SPOKE TO SAID LAURA DOES NOT WORK THERE ANYMORE AND SHE DOESNT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT AMARION 111 AND WE WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK TO AINHOA ,  WHO BY THE WAY ISNT IN TILL 6TH AUGUST

ITS JUST PERFETIC    I DONT BLAME LAURA LEAVING,   I BET SHE CANT FACE US AFTER HAVING TO TELL US LIES FOR ALL THIS TIME




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30 Jul 2007 4:50 PM by skinner Star rating in Littlehampton. West .... 60 forum posts Send private message

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But has Laura left, or are they starting to let their staff go (cutting down) by order of the receivers. Is the place in Murcia smaller and cheaper, so they can work on their receivership, and pay some of their bills off. It still don't sound right to me either.

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