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13 Apr 2009 10:32 PM by max! Star rating in Fuengirola. 944 forum posts Send private message

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 The facts of the matter:

- With David I discussed the lack of financial information while the committee claimed to have no money. He told me had no access to the figures so I obtained them myselves. The point being that last year we were able to afford security so it seemed important to see what the problem was. Lack of income compared to next year (turned out not to be the case) or expenditures above the level of last year. He agreed that it was important to get these figures.

 
- Speaking with Rene after obtaining the financial information from the administrator I discussed the high expenditures as that clearly was the problem. He didn't have the same figures I had (he only had a three month review if I recall correctly) so we could't go into specifics. However I notified him that the expenditures were much higher than last year while we didn't have security and asked him to scrutinize it.
 
What I find annoying is that Ana (bi-lingual member of the committee) has approached people on the list requesting the EGM demanding them to defend their reasons and trying to convince them to give their proxy-vote to the committee. I don't think that is correct behaviour, but then again I'm all in favour of polite discussions and that seems lost to some posters. If even the vice-president starts insulting people this forum doesn't seem a proper medium anymore. We should be able to work out our differences without the need for abusing neighbours.
 
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19 Apr 2009 3:24 AM by max! Star rating in Fuengirola. 944 forum posts Send private message

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 Hi all,

I found the missing plants for the 1200 Euro. I completely overlooked bank 5. Using the same very optimistic estimates there must be 400 seedlings in total which drops the price to 3 Euro a piece. Last week the local Lidl offered full grown plants for 30 cents if you bought 12 of them so it still looks like a very bad deal for 400 seedlings, but I have to be honest when I make an error.
 
The committee has not only sent letters to every mailbox, put notices in every block. e-mails to all owners and even made house calls to every 'offender' who supported the EGM. They also sent out registered letters to all foreign owners. A huge expense which by now seems completely unnecessary as 99% of the people will know about this EGM and the committee's viewpoint. If you wouldn't know better you would think there was a large national election campaign going on! Will there be billboards in the last week and if so do we have to pay for them as well?
 
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19 Apr 2009 9:23 AM by otterandy Star rating in Dubai - Carvajal. 260 forum posts Send private message

Hi Max, This EGM has been forced through in a "hostile" manner so how do you expect the committee to react? I guess that you have a strategy for the future, are you looking to become vice president or president? If you do please do not appoint some of the newer members of EOS on the committe, if you do Don Juan will then be managed by a bunch of nutters and we will all be doomed. :-)




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20 Apr 2009 7:37 AM by wilander Star rating. 39 forum posts Send private message

Max, reg. your post 19 April 3:24 AM!!!

I have not received any registered mail from the committee to my address in Sweden. Am I missing anything?

Or is this something you have dreamt up to discredit the committee as usual or are you just trying to help out?

Wilander Blk 1/ 2D




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20 Apr 2009 9:27 PM by max! Star rating in Fuengirola. 944 forum posts Send private message

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 @ Wilander: I don't know if it's true. People who are hardly aware of the current situation mailed me that they got registered mail from the administrator asking me why they got it. I can't check it myself, but I believe in the sincerity of my neighbours so I assume it's true. Why you didn't get the letter I don't know. I didn't get the information package from the committee while all neighbours got it in their local mailbox. It's something you have to ask the committee. Maybe only British residents got that letter

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20 Apr 2009 9:52 PM by wilander Star rating. 39 forum posts Send private message

Max, it is simple!

If you do not know if it is true, and if it is important to you try to find facts or drop it.

Do not assume, it is hurting your credibility.

Do not spread rumours.

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20 Apr 2009 9:56 PM by max! Star rating in Fuengirola. 944 forum posts Send private message

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 Earlier I wrote that there are just 200 plants for 1200 Euros. Later I found another bank with plants so that number doubled. I got an interesting e-mail from Solgre with new calculations based on my pictures claiming I was wrong with my estimate. 

She is completely right: I made a stupid mistake in the numbers by saying that there are just 0.6 plants per square meter. I divided the wrong numbers. In reality there are around 1,5 plants per square meter so the end result should have been about 880 in total including the other bank, Rounding off this estimate it would add up to 1,2 Euros a plant.

I spoke with David today and they were promised 1200 plants so the difference  is not that big.

I realize this is not very interesting stuff, but want to apologize for the mistakes in my original estimate.

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20 Apr 2009 9:57 PM by irenemontague Star rating in liverpool/carvajal . 794 forum posts Send private message

Hi i am a British residents and i did not get  any registered mail irene




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21 Apr 2009 9:31 AM by Jenx Star rating. 121 forum posts Send private message

Hi all

I am British and I did not get any mail -  registered or otherwise -  from either the committee or the administrator.

 

 


 



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21 Apr 2009 12:56 PM by davmunster Star rating in Carvajal\Belfast. 843 forum posts Send private message

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Max, I accept your apology regarding the plants but please take care before making accusations of this nature in future. There are enough plants left to do another bank so that accounts for the rest of the 1200.

There have been no documents sent out by the committee by post. However the official documentation regarding the meeting has been sent out by GICS. Irma says she needs to have written confirmation from each of us that we will accept official notifications by e-mail before she can stop sending the documents by post and only a few have so far given this authorisation. This is something we definitely need to get done before the next meeting as it is a waste of money



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21 Apr 2009 12:58 PM by max! Star rating in Fuengirola. 944 forum posts Send private message

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If trustworthy people report to me that they receive mail who am I to distrust them? Do people expect me to visit them in Britain to check them? Anyway, I find it silly but here is proof. Do I need to scan the backside showing Gics as sender as well? 

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21 Apr 2009 3:18 PM by solgre Star rating in Denmark. 79 forum posts Send private message

Hi all

I must admit that I have received a letter from GICS, but I can´t recall that I have ever seen any forms to sign and state  that they do not need to post information to me.

But I will not exactly say the letter is posted on behalf of the committee, more the people who requested this EGM. It is only saying who has signed this request and the formal agenda. Further more a debtor list is attached. Not different from other letters I have received regarding meetings.

But I can assure you that I will deal with this next time I visit Spain. to make sure that community money will not be spend on this again.

Grethe




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21 Apr 2009 3:50 PM by Ken333 Star rating in Northampton. 60 forum posts Send private message

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Hi ,

First I would like to state personally, I do not see a anything wrong, with communication

by Registered letter to neighbours if this is the only way to ensure contact and involvement,

what is the problem.

Although we have some very good constructive contributions there seems to be more

destructive ones undermining the whole aspects of the community, and property value.

If you were a prospective buyer, seller or renter by doing a little research, would you

not have second thoughts, believing you had come across the British TV Programme,

"Neighbours from Hell", although in reality there are very good neighbours : plus a

wonderful urbanisation, okay, we may have our differences, on some matters. but it

is how you deal with them.

We were led into the some of the present positions from past decisions by the original

committee, on major issues, seemingly a lack of negotiation skills, driving the other

party to permanently break off negotiations, had different personalities been at the helm,

maybe we would have moved forward by now. Our reserve fund disappeared from the

budget during this time, although payment for the legal fees/ technical report were paid

very quickly . (On the position of the "what if" technical report, having questioned some

issues and the attached financial report figures, I was asked to publish it on this forum

which I did but it was never answered.)

The issues on the agenda for debate, are they life threatening, was there a real need

for a meeting now, could the EGM not have been held at a later date, instead of

incurring 2 meetings adding to costs, and these issues placed on the agenda, did

the parties involved in the action really consider the issues ?

Mailboxes - Capital outlay - Postal service - what guarantees are there of the service,

when you can read of installations (requested by Correos) still no delivery after 2 years.

Also brings into question the point of security, leaving information on occupancy,

if there is an overflowing letter box.

Security - Had we had an agreement with the developer, and negotiated, sharing the

costs of a security guard (Tico) I could understand having security, in the fact he

challenged your presence in being there or knew you. Taken into numerous occasions

I stayed last year the only time recalling seeing our security guard, was sitting in a car,

or when using the toilet facilities at the swimming pool 3.15 in the morning. Just after

which there was a disturbance, this could have been heard around the complex, when

two men decided to take a swim entering over the fencing, no sign of security .

Although I believe in improving the security, not spending funds on unproductive

measures, we should concentrate the funding on the low walls at ground level and

gates. Maybe we could also look at the Costa Brave Area where Neighbourhood

Watch Schemes are widespread and effective.

Contracts - What happened when the previous contract for Gardens/ maintenance

was terminated, are all contracts of a standard pattern.

Gardens - In the past we had "good news and real progress" plants and trees for

2000 Euros, what was provided?

Ken



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21 Apr 2009 5:54 PM by davmunster Star rating in Carvajal\Belfast. 843 forum posts Send private message

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Irma explained to me that if she didn't use recorded delivery and someone claimed they had not received their papers they could have the entire meeting declared invalid. The way round this is to send a message to GICS stating that we only require official papers by e-mail. I will get the official wording and make sure everyone has it but we are to late for this meeting.

Some people have asked me where the other plants that have recently been put in the gardens came from. We have not been charged for them. Jarandaluz had most of them left over from another job and the rest were donated by neighbours.



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21 Apr 2009 6:09 PM by Jenx Star rating. 121 forum posts Send private message

 

The costs of holding this EGM would have bought us in excess of 1600 plants/seedlings at the much publicised cost of 30 cents per plant and the whole development would have looked lovelier over the summer.

Well it was not to be!




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21 Apr 2009 6:09 PM by RG Star rating. 299 forum posts Send private message

Instead of letting things rest till the EGM now Max is hung up over recorded delivery mail! what next?, the cats Tico feeds every night? He really needs to get a life outside of DJ, this is not healthy!

Surely he should know having been the vice president of the last committee that recorded mail has always been sent out when informing owners about AGM / EGM etc. I remember receiving recorded mail during the last committee's term. What is the big deal? 




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21 Apr 2009 6:53 PM by irenemontague Star rating in liverpool/carvajal . 794 forum posts Send private message

Hi if we all give our email addresses to gics then we would not have all these add on costs for calling unnecessary egms bye Irene



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21 Apr 2009 7:05 PM by solgre Star rating in Denmark. 79 forum posts Send private message

Hi

I have e-mailed with GICS several times, and I receive the same info by mail as in the posted letter, but I do not recall having heard about  a written confirmation that I accepted to receive

communityinfo only by mail.  I always thought this was the spanish way of doing things to make sure they acted as the law told them to. But I am sure this is a mistake made by myself. And David has already promised to let me know  the correct wordings of this statement, and I will make sure to post it to GICS as soon as possible.

@ Ken333 I do not have any personal isues with people who prefer the posted letter, but in my case this is not needed as I check my mail several times a day.  In my case it is a waste of money.

Grethe

 




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03 May 2009 8:33 AM by Ken333 Star rating in Northampton. 60 forum posts Send private message

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EXTRAORDINARY GENERAL MEETING,  held  in Paris Room of FLATOTEL, May 2nd, 2008
Main Points from meeting:-
We will have mail boxes and a special charge. There is a legal obligation to provide these.
We will not have security Votes 16 for 70 against
We will not re hire Hervas votes  21 for 70 odd against
Max presented a budget which he wanted to be considered, which would be looked at later
It was a lively meeting but almost 5 hours long.


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03 May 2009 10:55 AM by davmunster Star rating in Carvajal\Belfast. 843 forum posts Send private message

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Thanks for posting that Ken. I additional point I forgot to mention the next EGM will be 29th August. Along with review of budgets etc the main item will be rules.

We are very grateful for everybody´s support. In the past I have written colourful reports of the meetings. This time I am not going to. It will take time but it is just possible that this community can reunite to make Don Juan the place we all want it to be. I appeal to everybody to put what has happened behind us and use this board for passing information like it used to be.



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