Disposing of a RHD van in Spain - is this possible?

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20 Feb 2009 12:00 AM by sompting37 Star rating. 3 posts Send private message

Hi everyone, this is my first post here although I've been reading the boards for ages.

We have a problem with our RHD Citroen Dispatch van that we used to bring some things over from the UK to our house in Extremadura. We were due to be taking it back to the uk between March-May when we will have had it here for approx 6 months. However, the van has now developed some problems with the brakes and as we really don't want the expense (unknown) of getting this fixed (even if we could manage to explain the situation to a garage in the first place with our limited Spainish. Our reasons are that the extra expense of this, plus the taking it back to the uk, would probably cost all that the van would be worth when we take it back and sell it, (taking into account the cost of getting it back there, the accomodation when in the uk and then having to fly back).

The van has been fantastic up until now, and isn't really ready for the scrap heap, but we're on a limited budget and it seems a lot of hassle to take it back and spend everything we'll get for it doing that.

I know we're in a different part of Spain to most on this forum, but does anyone know whether, in general, it is possible to scap a vehicle in Spain, and how do we go about this? The other alternative is to get a garage to take it off our hands, but we doubt they'd be interested in a RHD van that needs work doing to it.

If anyone can offer any advice, we'd be very grateful.

Thanks.

Sharon





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20 Feb 2009 7:03 PM by Roberto Star rating in Torremolinos. 4551 posts Send private message

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The problem with a rhd van, assuming it's a panel van (i.e. no rear side windows) is that it cannot be re-registered onto Spanish plates. So your only chance of selling it is to another Brit who may want to use it to go back to the UK. As you say, your location may make this difficult.

I'm not sure how you'd go about scrapping it (legally) if it's not in the UK; check the details for getting a SORN from DVLA.

I don't know what your best action would be, but perhaps try and get an estimate (presupuesto) from a local garage for fixing (para arreglar) a brake problem (un problema con los frenos). I think Extremedura may be the best part of the country for finding little local businesses that can fix anything with a bit of double sided sticky tape for a few pesetas, so good luck!



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20 Feb 2009 7:17 PM by sompting37 Star rating. 3 posts Send private message

Thanks for the reply Roberto.

We had considered trying to sell it here, but now there's a problem with it that may be even harder than it would be if it was all ok.

The van is a panel van, but there is the option to change the two sliding side doors to ones with windows. We did consider this but didn't know if this would then enable us to get the van changed to Spanish plates or not, as the registration document would still show it as a light goods vehicle. Do you know if it would be possible to get it re-registered, if there were windows in the side doors? If we could get it re-registered it would be worth spending the money to fix it and keep it here.

Thanks. 





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20 Feb 2009 9:51 PM by foxbat Star rating in Granada. 1112 posts Send private message

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Sompting/Roberto;

I was faced with a broadly similar situation with my huge Yank Tank Motorhome.

Firstly SORN is not an option. Although you will not find any reference to this particular sub-clause on the DVLA website, DVLA will tell you that a SORN can only be applied to a vehicle which is physically in the UK;  My particular vehicle was off road on a private campsite in Spain, was incapable of being driven because of engine and other problems, and running up non-payment of UK Road Tax fines. We couldnt get it back to the UK because even if we had been in a position to get it fixed, the UK MOT had expired and in order to drive the thing back to England we would have needed an MOT cert to legally drive it acrossSpain and France.

Couldnt get road tax because of no MOT, couldnt get an MOT because that required the vehicle to be in England. DVLA were totally unsympathetic to our case and just sent another non payment fine to our English forwarding address. Eventually a local Spanish garage 'took the vehicle off our hands' for a stupidly low figure, about 10% of its true value but we were so pig sick of the whole situation that we were just glad to see the back of it!

Sompting... One of the measures we considered was scrapping the vehicle in Spain and it appears not to be a problem. If you really need to go this route...Detach the scrapping section from the vehicles V5 document and hang on to it. Take the vehicle to a local Desguace along with the rest of the V5 and hand the vehicle over to them. They will issue a 'Certificate of Destruction.'

Send a copy of the Cerificate along with the scrapping section from the V5 to DVLA and thats an end to it. A  quick check of Desguaces in Extramadura shows several in the usual places Caceres, Badajos and Trujillo.See Spanish Yellow Pages (link). If your Sapnish is really limited put Desguaces under 'Actividades' Extremadura under 'Provincias' and your location under Localidad; leave 'Nombre de Empresa' blank. Click on 'Encontrar.' and see what comes up...

Consider first though the action of scrapping the van...

Spain without a car can be a lonely place particularly if you have no friends close to hand.

A replacement vehicle will cost a hell of a lot more than in the UK.

Second hand prices over here are considerably higher than back home anywhere between 30% and 50% higher.

Five minutes on a rolling road at a main Citroen agent will tell you all you need to know about whats mechanically wrong with the brakes and you dont necessarily need to get it repaired at a main agent. Many smaller garages will gladly take on the work involved.  Get a quote from a main agent  and a smaller garage once you know just what the problem is. Chances are its something very simple and easily fixed.

Citroen Dispatch vans are very common over here and to the best of my knowledge perfectly straightforward mechanically; not like the XM series of cars with their all hyraulic brakes steering and suspension.

Quote 'The van is a panel van, but there is the option to change the two sliding side doors to ones with windows. We did consider this but didn't know if this would then enable us to get the van changed to Spanish plates or not, as the registration document would still show it as a light goods vehicle.unquote

I cannot comment on the viability of relacing the side doors with the windowed version. I would imagine this would have to be done by Citroen to meet Homulgation requirements in Spain. The Authorities are incredibly hot on seemingly minor things when it comes to ITV  (MOT) requirements and an ITV would be the first thing they would need to see...It isn't cheap to re-register onto Spanish plates  especially if your Spanish isn'tso hot...Best to engage the services of a Gestor for this.

So far as the UK reg document and description is concerned if the vehicle is re-registered in Spain, the UK documentation would be meaningless as a fresh Spanish Document would be issued...Bear in mind also the other primary requirements for re-registration such as headlights which need to deflect to the right not the left; if a single fog light is fitted on the right side of the vehicle it needs to be moved to the left; some authorities will insist that the speedo is replaced with one showing Km/Hr as the primary reading rather than secondary.

The six month rule is one of the major problems facing drivers of UK reg vehicles as is so evident particularly on the Costas where their are many totally illegal vehicles without UK Road Tax or MOT certs and hence no insurance.

Somewhat cynically I tend now to check the vehicle of any Brit tradesman who comes to my house. If he is driving a UK reg vehicle and not displaying a valid UK Road Tax disc he doesn't get the work; my point of view being that if he is prepared to play fast and loose with the Spanish Police, the chances are he will take the same liberties with me. (Too many experiences with Brit Vaqueros or cowboys...)

Incidentally, one way of getting along language wise with problems of communication with traders, garages is to write down what you want to say, in short sentences, in English and then feed this into babelfish (link) for a literal translation. The sentence formation of the translation may not be correct but its sufficiently accurate to put your question across. If you can get your trader to write down his response if it isnt clear you can always use babelfish in reverse to get it back into English.

Hope some of this helps...

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20 Feb 2009 11:47 PM by Roberto Star rating in Torremolinos. 4551 posts Send private message

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great post!



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21 Feb 2009 12:30 AM by foxbat Star rating in Granada. 1112 posts Send private message

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Roberto Gracias!



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21 Feb 2009 11:34 AM by sompting37 Star rating. 3 posts Send private message

Thank you so much Foxbat for all the information. It gives us plenty of options to consider and some pointers as to where to start. The road tax and mot are not an issue at the moment, they're both valid until the end of July, however, we would need to get the van back to the uk before this anyway as it will have been here six months in mid May. If we could keep the van here it would be our preferred option, as it's still a fantastic runner apart from the recent problem, and we're reluctant to fork out loads on an unknown second hand car here. We will look further into the window issue, we had at one point thought of converting the van into a camper, to use for exploring further afield, and may investigate that further too.

Again, thanks to both yourself and Roberto for the advice.

Sharon





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23 Feb 2009 10:30 AM by spaniola Star rating in Jaen. 22 posts Send private message

Hi all,

We scrapped our old Ford Escort here without a problem although it had Spanish plates. We've also scrapped a customers rhd, out of tax and insurance car without a problem.

You need to find the nearest official scrap yard and ask their procedure. All we needed was an NIE and the car papers.

Painless and simple.

 

 



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24 Feb 2009 11:30 AM by delza Star rating. 77 posts Send private message

I have a friend who has been trying to scrap his RHD UK REG 7series BMW for years but since it's RHD everyone in Valencia it's against the law?

I can't see why but they this is Spain!





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22 May 2009 12:13 PM by PJota Star rating. 4 posts Send private message

Veyr interesting reading all!

Off course I have yet another exception... :-)

What if you have lost the owners documents (as we have) and still want to destroy a car (as getting >back< the papers is administratively impossible, long story)?

According to our "Gestoria" it merely takes a special document to sign.

Was wondering if anyone had any similar experience.

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PJ Verhoef





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22 May 2009 12:24 PM by spaniola Star rating in Jaen. 22 posts Send private message

Hi,

We scrapped a friends RHD, English Reg car with just his NIE.

We took it to the scrap yard and - end of car.

Spaniola



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22 May 2009 5:55 PM by PJota Star rating. 4 posts Send private message

Interesting! Did they give you a Certificate of Destruction too?

 

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22 May 2009 9:10 PM by spaniola Star rating in Jaen. 22 posts Send private message

No - they wouldn't issue the ceritficate because we couldn't produce the lost documents - but they did take it off our hands!

Spaniola



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24 May 2009 7:55 AM by PJota Star rating. 4 posts Send private message

Yeah.

It's just that you keep paying for insurance and road taxes if you cannot hand over evidence of destruction in the form of that certificate... That continues to be our problem for a few years now..

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24 May 2009 9:49 AM by spaniola Star rating in Jaen. 22 posts Send private message

If the car is no longer on the road why pay insurance?

As for the tax go to traffico and give the car the baja.

 

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24 May 2009 11:59 AM by PJota Star rating. 4 posts Send private message

... I guess that's what our Gestoria should have done... By now I'm convinced that with my own initiative and a dictionary I'll achieve more. Thanks for this tip

PJ





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