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13 Jan 2007 00:56 by JeansSis Star rating. 2376 posts Send private message

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13 Jan 2007 08:10 by agamoore Star rating. 9 posts Send private message

If i am renting out my property and the property is burgled while the guests are in, does anyone know if i am liable to any of their property stolen



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13 Jan 2007 09:26 by tinasolera Star rating in Murcia. 801 posts Send private message

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Hi there

I have a copy of a spanish rental agreement in front of me altho we never actually took on this rental it may be of use. However yr agreement may different and really you need to refer to that or have one drawn up.

The tenants are responsible for there own belongings.

Regarding damage to the property that the burglar may cause i.e bashing the door in it says in this particular contract

- The cost of repairs in and on the rented property is the responsibility of the owner eg windows, lock costs for maintenanace and repairs, re water, gas , electricity, plumbing if applicable'.

-It then says later in the contract ' The tenant is responsible for costs that may occur through damage in and on the rental property whilst they are/were renting it.

These statements are not compoletely clear but regarding tenants belongings that is definately there responsibility.

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13 Jan 2007 09:58 by tinasolera Star rating in Murcia. 801 posts Send private message

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p.s excuse the grammer and spelling, i really have been at home too long looking after the kids.

I just wanted to add the tenants should have their own contents insurance so if anything were to get stolen they would claim on that.

We are going into rented in Spain whilst our place is being built and you have got me thinking with your question earlier who would be responsible for damage to say the door if the burglars broke it. That would need to be clear in any contract and i expect can vary from contract to contract.

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13 Jan 2007 12:56 by JeansSis Star rating. 2376 posts Send private message

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15 Jan 2007 23:03 by Smiley Star rating in San Pedro de Alcanta.... 2502 posts Send private message

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Hi Agamoore you do not make clear whether they were short term (holiday) guests or long term tenants but in any event if their own belongings are damaged or stolen it is their responsibility to have them insured or replace them. If your guests are on holiday they should claim on their holiday insurance although I believe that most all risks UK home contents insurnace products have provision for loss or theft while on holiday as long as they have corroboration such as a police report or something. Any damage to the property is down to the owner or the owners insurer assuming it is insured. If you are letting the property on a long term let and the tenant damages the property or loses belongings that you have left it is their responsibility to replace them when they leave or have some of the damages deposit retained.

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21 Jan 2007 15:50 by Spanish Retreat Security Star rating. 5 posts Send private message

Dear all maybe I can help the situation of the growing problem of Burglaries
My name is Richard Powell, I am a former Police Officer and now own and run Spanish Retreat Security
 
Spanish Retreat Security provides Street Wardens to Urbanisations, who provide high visibility 24 hour patrols, crime prevention advice, alarm response, set up and participate in local resident meetings, share information with the Police, local officials and other residents. All our Street Wardens are fully security and Police checked, and most importantly are friendly and helpful, and speak both Spanish and English, and all the residents get a local rate number to call that is directed straight to the Wardens so they can be contacted in an emergency.
 
There are several Urbanisations in the area who will be joining the Street Warden Scheme in the next few months, and I would welcome the chance to speak to you further about the idea and see how we may be able to help you I am in the are between the 28th and 31st of January and if possible would like to meet you.
 
I look forward to speaking to you soon
 
Richard Powell
Spanish Retreat Security
 



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21 Jan 2007 16:13 by JeansSis Star rating. 2376 posts Send private message

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21 Jan 2007 17:36 by tinasolera Star rating in Murcia. 801 posts Send private message

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Hi Jeansis / janice

You say there are endless problems on your site, well im shortly to move into a new development with 2 young kids and will be one of the first to move on. Do these burglaries involve people getting hurt? Or are they usually when people are out? I worry about it quite a bit.
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21 Jan 2007 18:18 by JeansSis Star rating. 2376 posts Send private message

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21 Jan 2007 19:05 by Febe Star rating in Flix, on river Ebro,.... 240 posts Send private message

Hi all,
We live in Flix on the river Ebro. It is a rural town. There are problems here too. So far as I am aware it is usually empty properties, ie. owner not resident.
We have friends on an urbanization (spelling?) on the coast 1 hour away from us. (Costa Durada) They have had no end of problems with breakins while they are at home etc. It has'nt put them off, the're just more carefull!
Take care and enjoy your new home.
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21 Jan 2007 19:11 by tinasolera Star rating in Murcia. 801 posts Send private message

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Thanks for your replys. We are moving to Spain to get away from crime.... is it worth it? is Spain much better then the UK? Im sat here having real doubts now!!
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21 Jan 2007 19:29 by JeansSis Star rating. 2376 posts Send private message

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21 Jan 2007 19:37 by Smiley Star rating in San Pedro de Alcanta.... 2502 posts Send private message

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Hi Tina just to add to what others have said - make sure you keep doors and windows secured appropraitely. Be vigilant and if it looks suspicious it very often is. Someone flagging you down to assist at the roadside then tread with caution. To be fair it is probably just as bad (if not worse) in many places in the UK - people tend to be a little more blasé about what they read in the paper as it is in the country where they already live -"its terrible but one doesnt dwell on it"

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21 Jan 2007 19:49 by tinasolera Star rating in Murcia. 801 posts Send private message

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Hi
We are going to San cayetano a little village just outside Murcia. We love it, it felt like home... school, beach etc Im very much looking forward to going and my husband is originally from Murcia.
I know what you mean the crime is worse in the UK but i suppose you know how to deal with it because you know no different. Emigrating just makes you feel a bit vulnerable to begin with.
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21 Jan 2007 20:43 by san miguel Star rating. 288 posts Send private message

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21 Jan 2007 20:43 by Annie21 Star rating. 368 posts Send private message

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Hi Tina

Good luck with your move - I'm sure that once you get over there & settle in you will love it. We have a property on a new urb in Murcia & yes there are break ins. Make sure that your property is secure from opportunist thieves & also secure when you leave on an evening for any reason. For example on our dev the downstairs is ok but the patio doors & windows upstairs are not. Have extra grilles & window bolts put on if necessary & consider an alarm company. Be extra vigilant when you are moving in (the big cardboard box outside the door with plasma tv written all over it is a dead give away!) this is also the time you won't have gotten around to the aforementioned precautions, so just use your common sense basically.

This all said, I would have no hesitation in moving over tomorrow if I could. In fact I do go over with my children whilst hubby has to work & have had no problem but am cautious - lets face it there are lots of places in the UK where I would feel even more unsafe!

Enjoy your new life.






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21 Jan 2007 20:50 by Annie21 Star rating. 368 posts Send private message

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san miguel - you put your post on the same time as me! Sorry to mention the locks, grilles etc - but unfortunately they are required most of the time! Fort Knox is not my idea of fun either, but would rather be safe than burgled.

Am told by others that when the devs are more populated the crime goes down - esp when the communities are up & running & action is taken as a collective.

This said, I would def not let this stop me from buying and enjoying my hol home in Spain - the advantages far outweigh the (hopefully) temporary negatives.




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21 Jan 2007 21:17 by san miguel Star rating. 288 posts Send private message

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21 Jan 2007 21:37 by ******** Star rating in UK & Murcia. 575 posts Send private message

Hi Tina, hope your move goes well.  We had a new build not far from you on the coast and moved in in 2003.  People were burgled - not often but it did happen - until the whole site was finished.  We put clamps on the inside of the shutters and padlocks on the inside of the door grilles. It was a bit off putting at first, but the police were brilliant.  They came quickly every time they were called and once they knew there were problems they patrolled regularly.   The threat of a gun pointed at them by a female police officer certainly stopped some thugs in their tracks.  No messing - arrested on the spot and never came back.  We have had no problems since then (touch wood!).  Just compare that to the too busy to attend/out of hours/not important enough responses we get here and be re-assured. 
Enjoy Spain, it's beautiful. 
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