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28 Jul 2008 12:00 AM by johnfozard Star rating. 143 forum posts Send private message

Here are 3 interesting emails (below) from the MCC owners association - I received recently.

It apparently appears that there will no promised facilities @ MCC and there are problems with Habitation licences too.

I always assumed that Huma had built MCC using a different company than Huma Mediterraneo S.L.

But from below it appears not - so MCC and ACC are linked under the same development company.

That explains why Huma Mediterraneo S.L. is not going into liquidation over ACC - as they would lose MCC too.

While ever Huma Mediterraneo S.L. is still trading - we have a chance of getting our money back. I think it appears there is more at stake for Huma than losing ACC - so is bankruptcy really an option for Huma?  Does anyone know any more?



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A member of the CofO Committee today announced under the "Market" thread... "Huma have informed us that there will not be a comercial centre built on our urbanisation as the traders who had expressed an interest have told them that it is not financially viable due to the size of the urbanisation 

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An MCC Owners' PETITION To The Mayor of Mazarron‏

THE PETITION
(in Spanish, English and German)
 
SIETE AÑOS SON DEMASIADOS: ¡GENTE HA MUERTO ESPERANDO!
 
Los abajo firmantes SOLICITAMOS por este medio a Alcalde Blaya utilizar toda su enorme influencia y autoridad para convencer o forzar u obligar Huma Mediterraneo S.L. y Sr. Subiela a satisfacer sus obligaciones legales y morales terminando Mazarron Country Club sin retraso adicional - comenzando con la terminación de la infraestructura / los calles y la entrega de los cédulas de habitabilidad para TODAS las viviendas existentes.
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SEVEN YEARS IS TOO LONG: PEOPLE HAVE DIED WAITING!
We, the undersigned, hereby PETITION Mayor Blaya to use all of his considerable influence and power to convince or to coerce or to compel Huma Mediterraneo  S.L. and Sr. Subiela to fulfil their legal and moral obligations by completing Mazarron Country Club without further delay - starting with completion of the infrastructure /roads and the issue of  habitation certificates in respect of All of the existing houses.
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SIEBEN JAHRE SIND ZUVIEL: EINIGE SIND BEIM MARTEN GESTORBEN!
Wir die Unterzeichnenden, BITTEN den Bürgermeister Blaya, seinen enormen Einfluss und Autorität zu nutzen um Huma Mediterraneo S.L. und H. Subiela zu überzeugen, zu zwingen oder zu verpflichten, seine legalen und moralischen Verpflichtungen zu erfüllen und den Mazarron Country Club unverzüglich fertigzustellen – zunächst die Infrastruktur und Straßen und die Ubergabe der Wohnbarkeitsbescheinigungen fur ALLE vorhandenen Häuser

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Demonstrate Your Determination to Make HUMA Complete MCC!
 
Fed up with Huma’s broken promises? Want MCC to be completed without further delay? Here are some ways you may be able to help:
 
  1. ADD YOUR NAMES TO THE PETITION TO MAYOR BLAYA 
You will receive a copy of a Petition (in Spanish, English and German) by separate email. If you support it, please send a REPLY to that separate email saying ‘WE SUPPORT THIS PETITION’ - together with the full names of EACH member of your family who shares that same view.
 
We need as many names as possible!
 
Please DO NOT send any other message in reply to the Petition email.
 
Only your name and Manzana / Plot number will appear in the petition - which is due to be handed to Mayor Blaya on Friday 1st August. SO DON’T DELAY – DO IT TODAY!
 
  1. MORE VOLUNTEERS REQUIRED 
As well as this email petition, we also want to collect signatures from people who are currently here at MCC. (Any duplication between the email petition and the one which is signed will be corrected before the combined petition is submitted)
 
If you can help with the collection of signatures, please let me know asap.
 
  1. JOIN IN FRIDAY’S DEMONSTRATION AT THE TOWN HALL 
The Association Of Neighbours (AON) has organized a Demonstration which will take place outside Mazarron Town Hall at 9.30am on Friday 1st August 2008.
 
You do not have to be a member of the AON to take part. Everyone is welcome so – if you can – please come along to give your support. MAKE A DIARY NOTE NOW
 
A ‘DECLARATION’ will be presented to the Mayor. The aim is to put pressure on him and Subiela to ensure that MCC is completed without further delay.
 
Further details are attached in .pdf format. (If you have any problems opening the attachment, simply go to www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html and you will be able to download a free version of Adobe Reader.)
 
  1. PASS IT ON 
You can help to spread the word by forwarding this and the Petition email – plus the attachment – to all of your MCC friends and neighbours.
 
PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME THAT WE HAVE THEIR DETAILS OR THAT THEY ALREADY KNOW.
 
Best wishes
John Burton

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05 Aug 2008 7:43 PM by reidpj Star rating. 239 forum posts Send private message

For anyone who is interested:  Mazarrón Town Hall gave the final approval for the golf course on MCC today.


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06 Aug 2008 5:28 PM by bertie Star rating. 24 forum posts Send private message

Thank you Huma spokesperson !!!



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07 Aug 2008 8:11 AM by Philmel Star rating. 214 forum posts Send private message

Glad the people on MCC can afford it. Some one has to pay for it's running costs and up keep !!
Don't tell me there's a water shortage in Almeria .....please..........

Sorry , you can tell I'm not a golfer......and I'm sure you all care not.

Seriously it is great to see things reaching a conclusion. 

Bout time they secured the PGOU  thingy as well....... but guess that's not so important.....




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10 Aug 2008 4:37 PM by halegate Star rating. 136 forum posts Send private message

I think that funds were set aside as part of the p.p/ liciences etc for the construction, as for the up-keep well maybe they have the Acc funds for that,( Associated club credit) ??
Its all very quiet on the posting front are all the major contributors on vacation,with there refund cheques or at the huma club hipico festival ?


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12 Aug 2008 3:42 PM by hicky Star rating in campello,spain/x tin.... 51 forum posts Send private message

yes it has gone very quiet,,,,,,,but we are still here waiting for our refund,,dont believe that because its august no one is working,.
they are,,, ,huma and solicitors are still in there offices,huma probabley writing out more cheques that will probabley bounce!
its our anniversary tomorrow,,,4 YEARS since we parted with our hard earned money.....

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13 Aug 2008 12:23 PM by hicky Star rating in campello,spain/x tin.... 51 forum posts Send private message

just had a conversation with a worker in aldea office ,,,,,,, 
what a waste of breath,,she knows nothing 
anyone expecting a cheque in september!             forget it,,
really bloody angry now,come you people lets show we have not gone away,
where the hell are we,and what are we doing,keeping quiet,,dont rock the boat,,we will get our money,,,,thats what i thought,
SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE MUST BE ABLE TO HELP US,,,,,,,,,,,,,,AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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17 Aug 2008 6:20 PM by jackb Star rating. 201 forum posts Send private message

The only people that can help us are an honest firm of lawers who will
take our cases to court and make Huma give our refunds,  I have taken
this option at a cost of e3500.

I expect it to take at  least a year and will only get my 40k if Huma dont go
bust before the court forces my refund.........we have all been conned....... 


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19 Aug 2008 10:52 AM by Philmel Star rating. 214 forum posts Send private message

jackb

I wish you good luck we all need it !!

Many have been conned, It's a crime basically. These developers should NOT be allowed to get away with it  (withholding refunds) and - the Spanish goverment should realise what a discredit and bad name these companies are giving their OWN construction industry. EU people running scared of the property market in Spain right now. 

Did they see any of this comng - no way.
Goverment paying the price now - Oh yes...

Having said that (rant over) the crash, for one reason or another, is happening and ultimately they have lost their once loyal property buyers - the brits.

Trouble is, they are all in each others pockets so no one over there in authority really cares. That's our perseption. Many have got rich quick so set up for life. Why would they bother about little you and me ovef a few €'s when multi millions have been made.

Maybe in 15 years when the mess is sorted out we shall go back to look at their market. Remember tho' many 'buyers' have had their fingers burnt so will never go back.....

Not nice reading is it...........am I wrong. Please add / or correct me............


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20 Aug 2008 12:14 PM by Antojo Star rating. 101 forum posts Send private message

Agree, it is a crime.  Yes, we have been conned.

I remember making a post a while ago to describe how we went about looking for a place in Spain. We told everyone that we had done a lot of research, looking at specific areas, looking at future prospects for the area we chose. We chose 'reputable agents' recommended solicitors, banks, and furniture suppliers.  Yes, we were well researched !!!!!    ' We weren't the type of people who got off the plane and could be 'taken in '  by the sun and dodgy estate agents !!!!!    Now, I know just how wrong we were !!! 

We were armed with all of the wrong kinds of information. This is what we should have known  ------ we bought at the beginning of the end of the property boom. Huma bought the land very very cheap, and got permission from the town hall ( Money in mayors pocket ) , the Junta turned a blind eye ( more money in  pockets ) the solicitor allowed us to pay installments ( turned a blind eye, more money for him )  furniture was ordered ( turned a blind eye and  accepted deposits, more money ).

Our agent leaned heavily towards ACC,  he drove us to Mazarron to view the Camposol development, he could have shown us MCC , we were very near. But, we now know that we would have seen all of the empty properties and unopened facilities. He got his hefty commission and has never returned any of our calls since.

Then, no one told us the site had been closed, we arrived in Spain, shocked to see what had happened. 

Using our third solicitor, we try to get our money refunded. Solicitor tells us that it will be easy to execute the bank guarantee ( money in his pocket up front ) Now, over a year later, it is a lucky day if anyone bothers to return our calls. 

So, now, what have we learned ?   Spanish systems are run in a corrupt way. Staff right across Spain from banks, offices, councils etc are poorly trained. They choose whether or not to answer your calls. They make promises and then ignore us. I know of people who win their case, but the developer still doesn't pay. Their world is dominated by fiestas, siestas, bank holidays.  Customer care -- forget it.  

Spain relies too  heavily on its construction industry to keep the economy afloat. Now it is in such a mess the Spanish are again turning a blind eye , why -- because the people who made vast amounts of money from people like us have disappeared and are not being held to account for their underhand activities. 

Ordinary Spanish people will be struggling to get work, they are left with vast amounts of half built and empty properties. The court cases will take years to resolve. 

Our biggest worry now is that a dodgy judge will hear our case ( heaven knows how long this will take  to happen ) .
We have read that judges are in collusion with the developers in many cases. So, we have learned not to build up our hopes.

15 years for recovery ?  the spanish don't even know that their way of doing business needs to change. Lots of people are now aware of how they operate, I hope they read forums like this and make more sensible decisions than we did. 

Please, if you are reading this and looking to buy off plan, look at as many off plan forums as you can, see how many people are trying to retrieve money after 4 years or more, not anly at ACC but in many other abandoned developments.

It will be interesting to see what happens when the court cases start to be heard .

We wish everyone in the same position as us the very best of luck. Is there anyone with a court date soon ? please let us know what happens.




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20 Aug 2008 2:25 PM by Philmel Star rating. 214 forum posts Send private message

If any of us have not had rull refunds by the time Huma try to re sell propertise on ACC this may (I think) apply.
In other words, a new buyer could not legally complete the sale because a debt remains on the property.

http://www.eyeonspain.com/blogs/nakedagentspain/457/what-every-property-owner-should-check.aspx

Point 5 refers to a buyer who has to check that 

5) There are no unexpected embargoes or charges against the property

If there are any problems or issues ensure you consult your lawyer and the Notary.

The reason why it is important to check, is that sometimes mortgages and old debts and charges remain on a property. While they may have been economically cancelled at the time you signed your escritura, they may not have been correctly removed from the registry office and as a result still appear on your Nota Simple



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20 Aug 2008 7:08 PM by Sparky Star rating in Somerset and Vera. 127 forum posts Send private message

Antojo. 

Your post is just so well written and absolutely spot on as far as I'm concerned.  It totally reflects all that we have been through and just how we now feel.  Well done, it's sometimes good to know that we're not alone and that we did actually try to do everything right at the beginning but didn't account for the corruption and lack of legal backing.  We are awaiting court case but still have no idea when this will take place.


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