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POLL: Are you thinking about moving back to the UK due to the Brexit result?
Friday, August 5, 2016 @ 11:36 AM

Roland Smith, a fellow at free market think tank the Adam Smith Institute, said that many British expats have concerns about whether they could stay in Europe  after Brexit. 

But Mr Smith said: “That one has been knocked on its head by all sides. No-one is suggesting that people will be repatriated from anywhere. It would be impossible to implement but also incredibly damaging economically.” 

Mr Smith said: “There are rights issues to do with healthcare and access to the host country’s benefits system. 

"I think these are quite minor in the grand scheme of things. Some people would say healthcare is more of an issue.” 

Mr Smith said that he strongly believes Britain would become part of the European Economic Area (EEA) in a similar way to Norway and Switzerland. 

As a result, his opinion is that “not very much” would change for expats. He said: “They will carry on pretty much as before." 


But a Government paper on Brexit has warned there is no guarantee that expats would keep the rights to work, reside, own property and use public services such as healthcare. 

It said: “UK citizens resident abroad, among them those who have retired to Spain, would not be able to assume that these rights will be guaranteed. 

“At the very least, any terms which the UK seeks for its own citizens would have to be offered to EU citizens wishing to come to or stay in this country.”

Asked what would happen to expats after the Brexit, EU spokesman said: “Expats rights will be grandfathered due to the Vienna Convention.”

The Vienna Convention of 1969 states that people keep the rights that they once exercised under a treaty, even if that treaty is later terminated. 

Therefore expats in Europe would retain their “acquired right” to stay there, but it would not apply to people who move abroad in the future. 

Mr Smith said that these “acquired rights” include British expats’ rights to live in another country and own property there. 

But he said: “They are quite basic. The rights do not cover healthcare or benefits. That is the legal view of the legal profession.”

So how do you feel about all this uncertainty? Are you thinking about moving back to the UK before the Brexit or are you happy to stick it out as long as you can?

 

 

 



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Falcón said:
Friday, August 5, 2016 @ 4:04 PM

It is very interesting to read this article.


Nels said:
Saturday, August 6, 2016 @ 8:48 AM

We should learn from history, the British Government do not have a good reputation of interest or care for British Ex pats. (excepting where they suspect they are owed tax, then they become interested) I certainly do not expect any support in this situation, most ex pats are past their sell by date !


Alison said:
Saturday, August 6, 2016 @ 9:09 AM

How do you stand if you are not an "expat" but have a holiday home here? My husband & I bought a property & planned to retire to Spain. Since then we have divorced & I took over the property, planning on retiring to live here myself. However, I met someone in the UK & since then we spend periods of the year here continuing to use the property as a holiday home. The expat situation is being aired what about those with holiday homes?


Frances Clarke said:
Saturday, August 6, 2016 @ 9:17 AM

I bought a property near San Pedro del Alcantara two years ago which we use as a holiday home. I am a British Citizen. However, it is my hope, that we will buy another home here in a year or two's time to move to permanently and rent out the first house that we acquired. I have not taken Spanish residency, and I don't want to sever my ties with the UK completely, so under the "acquired right", as I would already be a homeowner in Spain, can I go on to acquire a second property here under that right? and do I need to take Spanish residency? I already have an NIE of course.


Robur said:
Saturday, August 6, 2016 @ 9:25 AM

I am curious about the -right to own property ' bit seeing as in the uk vast numbers of properties are owned by foreign nationals including most of London
So what's different here .


Terry Hewitt said:
Saturday, August 6, 2016 @ 10:07 AM

Time to stop all this scaremongering. Nothing is going to change apart from the fact we may have to show our passports on arrival in Spain. British people owned houses in Spain before the EU was created and the Spanish need us here. Without the British the Spanish housing market, construction industry and Spanish economy would be in a terrible mess. So stop worrying. Nothing bad is going to happen.


william said:
Saturday, August 6, 2016 @ 10:08 AM

We have owned an apartment in torrevieja for 16 years now and to be honest we think not much will change and there will be reciprocal agreements between the UK and Spain as the Spanish economy makes a massive amount of income from British expats.And we voted out and we are glad we did.


IanR said:
Saturday, August 6, 2016 @ 10:33 AM

The leavers are still clinging to the notion that everything that highlights real possibilities of change/potential difficulties is 'scaremongering' STOP saying that. Why expats think they are more important to Spain's economy than any other immigrants is laughable. Expats tend not to pick fruit or work day to day, those that do should have a genuine concern about being able to continue to do so. These things genuinely concern many people. Teresa May has not said that existing Europe would give EU migrants any rights in the UK why would the rest of Europe treat Brits differently? Also, remember any agreement between the UK and Europe needs 27 members to agree, each one of those countries has a different agenda for or against the UK. The Tories have a track record of cutting loose those that won't impact on their bubble


Paul Watson. said:
Saturday, August 6, 2016 @ 11:19 AM

I agree with the comments about scaremongering posted by Terry, people in different countries around the world own properties in those countries ,and in Spain what about non EU residents that own property such as the Russians ,Chinese etc . The holocaust hasn't happened in the UK as the remain vote predicted , indeed countries outside of Europe are queueing up to trade with us.The house of Lords are saying that they may block the Brexit article 50 and surprise surprise one of its spokesperson is Niel Kinnock whom along with his wife receive a kings ransom in pensions from the EU,both of them are acting in their own interests and disregarding the democratic vote .


Safety said:
Saturday, August 6, 2016 @ 11:35 AM

I bought my finca 30 years ago firstly as a holiday home then when retired as a second home. Bought before ECC then had to show my passport; now still have to show my passport (what has changed ?? ) we will stay with it (voted to remain) Spain great country.


anthomo16 said:
Saturday, August 6, 2016 @ 6:50 PM

I have said all along and I continue to believe that nothing is going to happen. There are too many spaniards and other EU citizens already in our country working legally paying taxes etc. and I am quite sure the Spanish Government realise that if they did anything against the British expats it would be cutting off their noses to spite their faces and they are not going to do that. We bring far too much revenue into Spain viz a vie tourism and house buying plus of course buying their products. We will always have a place in Spain yes we may haev to pay more for healthcare but again that is a two way thing. Just my views.


Ian Elcock said:
Saturday, August 6, 2016 @ 9:23 PM

I cannot for the life of me understand the logic or reasoning of anybody who owns a property in Spain and then voted to leave.


Nels said:
Monday, August 8, 2016 @ 9:55 AM

Some people are saying that nothing will change, except perhaps healthcare, and that in any case there is private health care available to ex pats. However just a thought, most ex pats are retired, most ex pats will have previous health conditions, most pre existing conditions are not covered by Private insurance schemes. What happens to them ? Private health cover comes at a cost, dependent upon age and conditions, if you are 70 yrs old stop thinking as a 20 yrs old!!!!
Any ex pat who voted OUT is a TURKEY voting for Christmas!


wodger said:
Tuesday, August 9, 2016 @ 12:16 PM

Ian Elcock
Some people voted to leave because they believed the lies told by Boris/Farage/Gove etc. they believed that they were voting for their grandchildrens futures. One woman in England voted brexit because she was told the the council would empty her bins more frequently.


The Jester said:
Tuesday, August 9, 2016 @ 2:14 PM

We have had a house in Los Montesinos for 11 years, with the intention of becoming permanent residents within the next two years. I HOPE that nothing will change , but lots of questions remain unanswered, as pointed out by Alison and Frances. We DO need answers, to enable people like us to make decisions that will affect the rest of our lives. By the way, my brother lived in Spain for 5 years and came back to England ( fool!) and voted Brexit. When asked why, he said the EU had done nothing for him. He had some major health issues while he was resident in Spain, he got the best treatment available and it didn't cost him a penny. Since he has been back in England his health has deteriorated, and he has had pretty awful treatment and long waits for appointments in various hospitals up to 100 miles away. The health arrangements for us in Spain are far superior to Britain, and anyone who voted OUT while living in Spain are indeed "Turkeys " ( thanks Nel! )


The Jester said:
Tuesday, August 9, 2016 @ 2:28 PM

Many people ( like us) who own holiday homes in Spain , bring back cigarettes, baccy and wine etc, at a fraction of the cost here in England. Wait until we are finally out of the EU, and we are limited to ONE sleeve of cigs (200) and ONE pack of baccy and ONE litre of sprits and wine. Not to mention the millions of holidaymakers who do the same. Prepare yourself for big delays on your return to Blighty as the HMRC triple their bag searches and confiscate your stuff.
Currently, you can bring back as much as you like, as long as it's for personal consumption of course!!! Who will complain the most? The people who voted OUT of course.


Magnum said:
Saturday, August 20, 2016 @ 11:14 AM

We have lived here in Spain since 2002 and there is no question as to where is the best place to be.
As far as Brexit is concerned, I do not understand what all the fuss is about, just because the UK is leaving the clutches of the EU.
There are many thousands of citizens from non-EU countries that have been living here for many years - so why would citizens of the UK suddenly have to leave Spain because THEY had suddenly become non-EU members - would they also then throw out the other Non-EU citizens that have been here since before the EU was thought of ? it does not make sense.



Joanna said:
Sunday, August 21, 2016 @ 6:40 PM

I voted out, (although that was cancelled out by my Husband).
My family have owned property in Estepona since I was 9 years old, and I'm 60 now!
We owned property before the EU, all during the Gibraltar blockade, and since the EU. It makes no difference. As long as you pay your taxes and obey the laws, Spain is happy to accept you whatever your political views. I just think that the UK needs to be able to make it's own way without being part of a huge commune of differing priorities, where our voice is so small it can barely be heard.


Anon said:
Saturday, November 5, 2016 @ 8:21 PM

Anyone who has lived in Spain 5 years or more should apply for permanent residence "con caractar permanente" .


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