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POLL : Should the UK remain a member of the EU or leave the EU?
Tuesday, March 8, 2016 @ 11:22 AM

The Conservative election victory last year activated a manifesto pledge to hold an in/out referendum on Britain's membership of the European Union by the end of 2017.

David Cameron made the promise of an EU referendum at a time when he was under pressure from Eurosceptic backbenchers within his own party – and when the Tories appeared to be losing votes to Ukip. Most political commentators agree that, given a free hand, he would not have wanted a referendum, and that he is now desperate to secure Britain's place in the EU.

This winter, he embarked on a tour of EU capitals as he sought to renegotiate Britain's terms of membership, which concluded at a summit in February. Presenting the result as a victory, he vowed to campaign with his "heart and soul" to keep Britain inside a "reformed" EU, but several members of his own Cabinet are campaigning for a British exit – or Brexit or ....Brixit

So before you cast your vote,  what are the advantages and disadvantages of being a part of Europe? Would Britain be better off staying inside the club or going it alone?

The greatest uncertainty associated with leaving the EU is that no country has ever done it before, so no one can predict the exact result. Nevertheless, many have tried. 

 

 

Membership fee:
Leaving the EU would result in an immediate cost saving, as the country would no longer contribute to the EU budget. Last year, Britain paid in £13bn, but it also received £4.5bn worth of spending, says Full Fact "so the UK's net contribution was £8.5bn". That's about 7 per cent of what the Government spends on the NHS each year.

What's harder to determine is whether the financial advantages of EU membership, such as free trade and inward investment (see below) outweigh the upfront costs.

Trade:
The EU is a single market in which no tariffs are imposed on imports and exports between member states. "More than 50 per cent of our exports go to EU countries," says Sky News, "and our membership allows us to have a say over how trading rules are drawn up."

Britain also benefits from trade deals between the EU and other world powers. "The EU is currently negotiating with the US to create the world's biggest free trade area," says the BBC, "something that will be highly beneficial to British business."

Britain risks losing some of that negotiating power by leaving the EU, but it would be free to establish its own trade agreements.

Ukip leader Nigel Farage believes Britain could follow the lead of Norway, which has access to the single market but is not bound by EU laws on areas such as agriculture, justice and home affairs. But others argue that an "amicable divorce" would not be possible. 

"If Britain were to join the Norwegian club," says The Economist, "it would remain bound by virtually all EU regulations, including the working-time directive and almost everything dreamed up in Brussels in future." And it would no longer have any influence on what those regulations said.

Eurosceptics argue that the vast majority of small and medium sized firms do not trade with the EU but are restricted by a huge regulatory burden imposed from abroad.

A study by the think-tank Open Europe, which wants to see the EU radically reformed, found that the worst-case "Brexit" scenario is that the UK economy loses 2.2 per cent of its total GDP by 2030 (by comparison, the recession of 2008-09 knocked about 6 per cent off UK GDP). However, it says that GDP could rise by 1.6 per cent if the UK was able to negotiate a free trade deal with Europe – ie to maintain the current trade set-up – and pursued "very ambitious deregulation".

Whether other EU countries would offer such generous terms is one of the big unknowns of the debate. Pro-exit campaigners argue that it would be in the interests of other European countries to re-establish free trade, but their opponents suggest that the EU will want to make life hard for Britain in order to discourage further breakaways.

France has said recently that there would be "consequences" for Britain if it left the EU.

Investment
Inward investment is likely to slow in the run-up to the vote, due to the uncertainty of the outcome and its consequences: that's what happened in before the Scottish independence referendum in 2014.

In the longer term, there are diverging views: pro-Europeans think the UK's status as one of the world's biggest financial centres will be diminished if it is no longer seen as a gateway to the EU for the likes of US banks, while Brexit campaigners suggest that, free from EU rules a regulations, Britain could reinvent itself as a Singapore-style supercharged economy.

Fears that car-makers could scale back or even end production in the UK vehicles could no longer be exported tax-free to Europe were underlined by BMW's decision to remind its UK employees at Rolls-Royce and Mini of the "significant benefit" EU membership confers. Likewise, Business for New Europe says tax revenues would drop if companies that do large amounts of business with Europe – particularly banks – moved their headquarters back into the EU.

Barclays, however, has put forward a worst-case scenario that might benefit the Outers. It says the departure of one of the EU's most powerful economies would hit its finances and boost populist anti-EU movements in other countries. This would open a "Pandora's box", says the Daily Telegraph, which could lead to the "collapse of the European project".

The UK would then be seen as a safe haven from those risks, attracting investors, boosting the pound and reducing the risk that Scotland would "leave the relative safety of the UK for an increasingly uncertain EU".

Immigration
Under EU law, Britain cannot prevent anyone from another member state coming to live in the country – while Britons benefit from an equivalent right to live and work anywhere else in the UK. The result has been a huge increase in immigration into Britain, particularly from eastern and southern Europe.
According to the Office for National Statistics, there are 942,000 eastern Europeans, Romanians and Bulgarians working in the UK, along with 791,000 western Europeans – and 2.93m workers from outside the EU. China and India are the biggest source of foreign workers in the UK.

Inners say that, while the recent pace of immigration has led to some difficulties with housing and service provision, the net effect has been overwhelmingly positive. By contrast, Farage says immigration should be cut dramatically, and the leaving the EU is the only way to "regain control of our borders". Other pro-Brexit campaigners would not necessarily reduce immigration, but say that it should be up to the British Government to set the rules.

David Cameron says that concessions he won during the renegotiation of Britain's EU membership will reduce immigration as new arrivals will receive a lower rate of child benefit. 

Jobs
The effect of leaving the EU on British jobs depends on a complex interplay of the factors above: trade, investment and immigration.

Pro-EU campaigners have suggested that three million jobs could be lost if Britain goes it alone. However, while "figures from the early 2000s suggest around three million jobs are linked to trade with the European Union," says Full Fact, "they don't say they are dependent on the UK being an EU member."
If trade and investment fell post-Brexit, then some of these jobs would be lost – but if they rose, then new jobs would be created.

A drop in immigration would, all else being equal, mean more jobs for the people who remained, but labour shortages could also hold back the economy, reducing its potential for growth.

Stuart Rose, former Marks & Spencer chief executive and a prominent pro-EU campaigner, conceded recently that wages may rise if Britain leaves – which would be good for workers, but less so for their employers.

Writing for the London School of Economics, Professor Adrian Favell says limiting freedom of movement would deter the "brightest and the best" of the continent from coming to Britain and reduce the pool of candidates employers can choose from.

Free movement of people across the EU also opens up job opportunities for British workers seeking to work elsewhere in Europe.

Britain's place in the world
For Outers, leaving the EU will allow Britain to re-establish itself as a truly independent nation with connections to the rest of the world. To Inners, Brexit would result in the country giving up its influence in Europe, turning back the clock and retreating from the global power networks of the 21st century.

Brexit would bring some clear-cut advantages, says The Economist. The UK "would regain control over fishing rights around its coast", for example. But it concludes that the most likely outcome is that Britain would find itself "a scratchy outsider with somewhat limited access to the single market, almost no influence and few friends".

Britain would remain a member of Nato and the UN, but it may be regarded as a less useful partner by its key ally, the US. The American government fears that the "EU referendum is a dangerous gamble that could unravel with disastrous consequences for the entire continent", says The Guardian.

Security
Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, who has come out in favour of Brexit, says we are leaving the "door open" to terrorist attacks by remaining in the EU. "This open border does not allow us to check and control people," he says.

However, a dozen senior military figures, including former chiefs of defence staff Lord Bramall and Jock Stirrup, say the opposite. In a letter released by No 10, they argue that the EU is an "increasingly important pillar of our security", especially at a time of instability in the Middle East and in the face of "resurgent Russian nationalism and aggression".

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon has also said the UK benefits from being part Europe, as well as Nato and the United Nations. "It is through the EU that you exchange criminal records and passenger records and work together on counter-terrorism," he said. "We need the collective weight of the EU when you are dealing with Russian aggression or terrorism."

In contrast, Colonel Richard Kemp, writing in The Times, says these "critical bilateral relationships" would persist regardless of membership, and that it is "absurd" to suggest that the EU would put its own citizens, or the UK's, at greater risk by reducing cooperation in the event of Brexit.

"By leaving, we will again be able to determine who does and does not enter the UK," says Kemp, a former head of the international terrorism team at the Cabinet Office. "Failure to do so significantly increases the terrorist threat here, endangers our people and is a betrayal of this country."


EU referendum: the big questions for Britain

When will the EU referendum be held?
The date has been set for 23 June 2016.

What will the referendum ask?
The Conservatives recommended that the question should be: "Do you think that the United Kingdom should remain a member of the European Union?" However, the government bowed to pressure from the Electoral Commission after concerns that the phrasing of the question might be seen as biased towards those campaigning to remain a part of the union. The wording has since been changed to:

Should the UK remain a member of the EU or leave the EU?

Who can vote in the EU referendum?

Eligibility will be based on the criteria for voting in a general election, which means citizens of most EU countries (who can vote in local and European elections in Britain) will not be allowed to take part. Anyone over the age of 18 who falls into one of the following groups can cast a vote: 

British citizens resident in the UK
British citizens resident overseas for less than 15 years
Citizens of Ireland, Malta and Cyprus resident in the UK
Commonwealth citizens resident in the UK
Commonwealth citizens resident in Gibraltar

However, citizens of Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man, which are not in the EU, will not take part. Members of the House of Lords will be allowed to vote, despite being ineligible to cast a ballot at general elections.

 

Please cast your vote :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[source theweek.co.uk]



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49 Comments


midasgold said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 8:20 AM

My issue is our loss of sovereignty ( unelected EU bureaucrats overrules our parliament )and we are unable to counter. Being out we then are able to vote/elect for our own destiny.


Graham Powell said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 8:23 AM

Staggered! That a poll on an expat website can show a "leave" majority. Dont these people realise that there is every possibility that in the event of UK leaving the EEC, our right to live in Spain will be gone.
Just imagine how much property prices will reduce if tens of thousands of Brits all market their homes st the same time!
I could never go back to live on that miserable, damp island!


gemini18 said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 9:07 AM

"Dont these people realise that there is every possibility that in the event of UK leaving the EEC, our right to live in Spain will be gone.
Just imagine how much property prices will reduce if tens of thousands of Brits all market their homes st the same time!"

Why would Spain wish to Expel thousands of British expats then?
There seems to be plenty of other non EU nationals living in Spain without any problems.
How can it be that EU nationals can claim child benefit in the UK


gemini18 said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 9:11 AM

I was going to add when their families are living in their home countries having paid little or nothing in.
Yet many expat pensioners have lost their heating allowance in Spain after contributing National Insurance for up to 50 years.
Only one example.


gallygirl said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 9:28 AM

An excellent summary of the key points. Would be interesting to see how many people had voted.
It's a bit of a Hobson's Choice but overall I see it as better to remain in - as a small nation we would have little if any 'sovereignty', all decisions are inextricably linked with other countries policies on trade, immigration, security etc.
Impossible to say how much my own views are swayed by fear of what would happen to me personally - though I can't really see Spain losing such a valuable source of revenue.


Jarvi said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 9:42 AM

People need to stop this Scaremongering.. All the threats and warnings are going to make the un-decided vote leave.. I will be voting leave and I have a place in Spain which I know I will be able to go to until I die whether we are in or not. The difference between ex-pats living in Spain is that the majority of them contribute to the Spanish economy.


Robbo said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 9:58 AM

I want out. But the overwhelming vote will be to stay.
Most Brits are happy with what they have (we all want more I know) but the majority won't vote our therefore gambling to go down a risky dark tunnel with no return.
It's irrelevant whether ex pat or not. Spain like the Brits and don't even remove the races they don't like.



wodger said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 10:02 AM

I am worried about Gibraltar,Spain could try once again to get it back, or even worse open the border which could mean tens of thousands of migrants crossing Spain & entering the colony as a direct path to the UK.
A Brexit will take two years plus, during this time over two million Eastern Europeans will enter the UK whilst they still have the chance, they will be panicked into going as they will not wish to miss out.
Property prices in ex pat areas of Spain may plunge as people will not retire to Spain if they are worried about health care, & services that they are entitled to as EU citizens.
People that voted in this pole to leave should be aware that sterling will also fall further against the euro, so if their income is UK based then they will have less money to live on........turkeys voting for Xmas?


Pablo said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 10:14 AM

British expats living in Spain would be disadvantaged if we left the EU. Those with UK pensions would no longer see them increase with the cost of living each year and their right to medical care in Spain would fall away. Those who work in Spain would no longer have an automatic right to do so and will need to apply for work permits each year. Those with holiday homes who enjoy travelling between the UK and Spain frequently would also be disadvantaged with greater travel restrictions and potentially higher flight costs (as explained by Richard Branson). Those letting their homes out in Spain would be taxed far higher (25% tax as opposed to 19% without the allowance to deduct expenses from income). I'm sure there are probably other disadvantages readers can add to this list. It is surprising that the vote result on a website like this shows so many people supporting a Brexit as one would assume these are voters who either live or who have homes in Spain. Are they totally unaware of the consequences?


John O said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 10:33 AM

I think we should vote to leave - I'm old enough to have voted us in in '73 and the corporate cartel it has developed into now is not what I voted for. It won't make a blind bit of difference to my ability to continue living in Spain. I have a real issue with the huge numbers of people coming into the UK from Eastern Europe in particular - there are too many to integrate properly and in a small island with fiercely competing demands on scarce resources it is insane for both the incomers and the indigenous population. The corporate paymasters of the EU don't care as long as they can ramp up production and keep shareholders happy.David Cameron's so called "negotiations" were a complete nonsense. The only thing Brussels will understand is "no".


DJF said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 10:35 AM

Wodger, I have to say your comments, which you are entitled to , by-the-way, are based on a educated guesses and not facts.
There is nothing out there that explains EXACTLY would or would not happen which ever way the vote goes.
I am a firm believer that the "IN's" are not going to put info out there either as they will personally be losers not the UK as a whole.
The UKIP are just shouting and ranting at the moment and should really be drawing a coherent list of pros and cons, if they believe there case is fool proof.
Lets hope there will be more info out there soon in order for voters to make an informed decision rather than from a gut feeling



WatchManager said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 10:37 AM

Just to the quote of 'Turkeys voting for Christmas'!
To turn it on it's head. The only thing Turkey will vote on is to join the EU as it's their direct route to get to the UK.
As for family allowance, Cameron categorically stated that he would stop all these European families receiving child allowance from the British people and make them claim from their own countries. Quite right too! He's now reneged on this and said we will carry on paying them but only at the level they would receive in their own countries.
What a climb down! Why? To appease the EU!
Why should they receive it from Britain whilst still living at home in Europe when they could claim it from their own governments. I'll tell you why, its because we're governed by the EU and they get more from us. It doesn't make sense.
Just imagine if we vote to stay in what power we would have left, NONE!
If they ride roughshod over us now then God help us once we stay.
Personally, I think it will be a vote for out, then again I've been wrong once before.
Do you really think that the EU is going to throw the British out, or that they're not going to trade with us?
Yes, we aren't an Empire any more but we ARE the 5th largest economy in the world.
Spain needs our money, and wants our money as they did prior to the EU.
Just listen to each side and then chose, listen to the obvious lies like 'No one will buy our cars - products etc' I think you'll find that the majority will come from the 'In' brigade.


Jakeway123 said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 10:38 AM

My vote is to stay, the consequences of leaving could be horrific for those of us who love to live peacefully here in the Spanish sunshine, why rock the boat? please all vote to stay, what you know now is so much better than an uncertain future.


Paul Watson said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 10:42 AM

Yes I understand that people living in Spain are concerned about an exit vote as am I as I shall be moving to Spain permanently when I retire to my Spanish home which I have owned for 8 years but I am voting to leave not for my own reasons but for my children and grandchildren .


Harddunby said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 10:43 AM

That would be the tax exile Richard Branson on his private island where he pays no UK tax. The people who want in are our buracracts who have very little to do since the Empire went but are still staffed as though we had an Empire.not forgetting big,big corporations like Goldham Sachs were Cameron is going to.Look at what happened to Med Rim countries when they disagreed with Merkle, plus no benefits there so they go north. It's the million economic migrants expected from Africa this year that should worry you.


DJF said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 10:44 AM

Pablo,
How do you know we won't get indexed linked pensions, there are four countries in the world this does not happen, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and South Africa. Go onto UK Gov web site and you can see the list of countries you can go to and have the same rights on pension.
Your other assumptions are just that, assumptions.
As I said earlier, we need true factual info and I really despair that it is not out there.


Deso said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 11:36 AM

I'm with you on this one DJF. As it stands at the moment, you may as well walk into the Polling Booth and flip a coin.
We should be having programs on the TV with facts, figures, projections and debate.
All we seem to get at the moment is who is squabbling with who in Parliament.


Davy said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 12:04 PM

I have live in Spain for 14 years, and I love it. All this talk about being chucked out is warmongering rubbish. I am an accredited Resident of Spain as are many hundreds of thousands of others from non - EU. countries. Why haven't they been thrown out already ? There are Americans, Africans and Norweigians and Chinese who have been here for years. If you are that bothered and never want to go back to UK, then change your nationality to Spanish if that will make you feel better, but you will not be thrown out. If the Spanish did that to every non-EU member in Spain they would be bankrupt !
I am certainly voting for "out". I stll go back to UK and my family are there and I don't want them to be inundated with Muslims who have stated they will radicalise the UK:
Every woman will have to wear a Burka.
Sharia Law will prevail.
The Royal Family will be 'islolated' (whatever that means)
The British Armed forces will lose their identity and become part of a EU military Force.
Under Sharia Law children of 12 can be married (to a Muslim ) and Rape of white women will be legal at any time.
All National flags in UK will be banned.
If anyone wants to accept that for Great Britain then I feel sorry (and disgusted) for them.


Nels said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 12:04 PM

It is sad to think that so many people are living in the past when they refer to the UK as GREAT BRITAIN. Britain might have been great in Victorian times but was it great for 'the workers'? The EU has been helpful in giving the 'worker' better conditions and rights, and in some cases a 'safety net' against UK indifference. As for cost of membership, when the final count is done, do you really think the money saved will be directed to the benefit of 'ordinary people' ? Winter fuel allowance comes to mind.


John W said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 12:10 PM

My concern with many of the 'out' supporters is that they seem to think they can have their cake and eat it. An illustration of this is the comment from 'John O' where he seems to be saying it's fine for him to carry on living in Spain, but he doesn't want immigrants to use up the UK's national resources. By living in Spain, he is using Spain's national resources (water, electricity, healthcare, etc.) and therefore creating competing demands against Spain's indigenous population. How can it be ok in one case and not in the other?


Pablo said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 12:14 PM

DJF, how do you know there will be index linked pensions if we leave? Answer: Vote 'stay' you do know, vote 'leave' you don't know. The other points I highlighted regarding work permits, travel restrictions and tax are fact not assumptions. They currently apply to all non EU owners of property right now! So we do know what will happen if we leave.

I think we will find that those who have made up their mine already are polarised and won't be persuaded by any arguments put forward. They are probably quite equal in number. The deciding votes will always be those in the middle who are not sure and can be persuaded either way.


Pablo said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 12:27 PM

Haha ....I just love that John O feels totally entitled to live in Spain yet has so many objections to other Europeans choosing to live in the UK. I wonder if he thinks the flood of Brits into Spain is also 'insane''? At least virtually all those from Eastern Europe learn to speak English when they come to work, most Brits moving to Spain speak not a word of Spanish.


Mondronman said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 12:27 PM

Whilst economic reasons are very important (even if no one seems to be able to clearly state the resultant effects of either exiting or staying) one thing that is forgotten in the debate is the stability within the EU that has ensued from cross border collaboration. I don't know what price you might want to pay but for me the cost of peace is priceless.


The eagle said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 12:30 PM

No one knows and the winner for me will be those who come out and explain their rationale for claiming/refuting the various statements.


David said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 12:52 PM


Jarvis, we need to keep some perspective on this. Yes a key concern of this debate is whether immigrants contribute their fair share to the tax and welfare systems. In reality European migrants to the UK are not a drain on Britain’s finances and pay out far more in taxes than they receive in state benefits. Research by two leading migration economists at University College showed that Britain is uniquely successful, even more so than Germany, in attracting the most highly skilled and highly educated migrants in Europe. European migrants make a net contribution in excess of £20bn to UK public finances. Leaving the UK will have a detrimental effect in attracting the people we want and the 'spongers' you and others really fear are very small in number.


Neil said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 1:36 PM

None of this is really helpful in terms of what it would mean on an individual level for the Brits living in Spain of else where in Europe.

My questions are about what would happen if UK leaves the EU.

1) How will our residency status be affected. Would we need to apply for citizenship of the country we are living in.
2) Will our income/ pensions from the UK be subject to double taxation.
3) Will this mean we would lose any healthcare benefits.
4) Would we have to get/pay for visas to travel around Europe.



Alex said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 4:27 PM

Remain.


wodger said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 7:41 PM

I just think that if the UK leaves then the other EU countries will have to pay more does this mean that taxes in Spain will have to be increased? I M O Brexit would be very short sighted ,Countries like Poland will be huge consumers of lifestyle products and services in twenty years or so and staying in makes it much easier for the UK to sell to them.


steveM said:
Saturday, March 12, 2016 @ 7:55 PM

Don't forget folks that those of us who voted in 1973 voted for or against the Common Market, not the EU.
We have never been given a choice over the EU before.
I don't think many people who voted "in" for the Common Market would have imagined the prospect of "ever closer union" which is the ultimate aim with complete political union and a single currency.

In principle I am against unelected bureaucrats like Jean Claude Junckers calling the tune, but we are now firmly part of "Europe" and it is certain our future lies in some sort of a relationship with other European countries, whether this is the "EU" or another relationship.
The saddest thing is we have been forced to give up our close relationship with other Commonwealth countries in terms of employment law so we can no longer give jobs to the excellent South African, Australian, New Zealand and Indian doctors, for example, who once used to come here to further their training and make a valuable contribution to our society. Similarly engineers, teachers etc.
We are required to give jobs to European citizens first, even if they are less appointable.

If we stay in the EU we must regain these freedoms, together with control of our borders and our law making must be returned to the UK parliament above all. An unlikely outcome if we stay in the EU - but is it now too late to leave?

I have not yet decided how to vote on this. It is one of the most difficult decisions I have ever had to make!


Graham Powell said:
Sunday, March 13, 2016 @ 8:53 AM

A lot of the contrary view on those of us who worry about our futures in Spain in the event that UK leaves is that we are paranoid!
Those comments by the author above regarding Muslims in UK verge on hysteria! I would also say that many of the other (non EEC) natiionals living here in Spain are not receiving healthcare on the state system. THAT is the main issue.
By the way, we are legally resident here also having paid tens of thousands in taxes to the Spanish system since we moved here full time 6 years ago!


Ralph said:
Sunday, March 13, 2016 @ 3:13 PM

"Graham Powell said:
12 March 2016 @ 08:23
Staggered! That a poll on an expat website can show a "leave" majority. Dont these people realise that there is every possibility that in the event of UK leaving the EEC, our right to live in Spain will be gone.
Just imagine how much property prices will reduce if tens of thousands of Brits all market their homes st the same time!
I could never go back to live on that miserable, damp island!"

No only that, but it will set a "green light" for Spain to attend the Gibraltar case, and be backed up by the EU in a military dispute if it comes to that...


DJF said:
Sunday, March 13, 2016 @ 5:59 PM

SteveM,
What a lot of sense you make with your post.
I can only profess to agreeing to all that you say.
Most post seem to around a personal situation and seeing the big picture.
I reiterate my previous point, we need a lot more info from both sides in order to make an informed decision


DJF said:
Sunday, March 13, 2016 @ 6:01 PM

Typo, "not seeing the big picture "
Sorry


SL said:
Monday, March 14, 2016 @ 11:28 AM

When the British holiday in Spain we have travel insurance and also we have E111s. If we buy properties in Spain we pay our taxes, we spend our money in Spain in Supermarkets, coffee shops, bars etc. We hire cars we use taxis and buses we pay to park up if we visit the UK. The Spanish claim back the cost of E111s treatment from the UK which runs in to millions and that is fair enough. Generally speaking we spend our money which helps Spains economy. The not being able to speak the Spanish language is a fair point and the unwillingness to even try must be annoying to the Spanish. However this keeps lawyers and interpreters etc in plenty of work too. The difference between the British in Spain and Migrants trying to get in to the EU is not a even comparison. Asylum seekers are not the same as the Migrants trying for a better life either. In the UK there is not enough social housing for the indigenous population let alone schools etc. The EU was set up as a trade partnership which was a good idea but it as grown like a cancer and is just one big Quango to which our politicians want to keep because then they can move on to and feather their future nests. I will vote out in June we can manage quite nicely without all the rules and regulations holding our small businesses back. Remember the British Kite Mark which was a far more higher standard than we get now. The UK obeys all the rules in the EU other countries pretend to but don't. I see plenty of farmers burning fields in Spain and France but not the UK. We put fish back in the sea if it's not the right size not other countries though. Germany don't want us to leave because of the snowball effect. The EU is a dead Parrot and is on a slippery slope anything I can do to help it on its way I will do. Yes to trade no to the United States of Europe. We can still be part of NATO too!


SL said:
Monday, March 14, 2016 @ 11:29 AM

When the British holiday in Spain we have travel insurance and also we have E111s. If we buy properties in Spain we pay our taxes, we spend our money in Spain in Supermarkets, coffee shops, bars etc. We hire cars we use taxis and buses we pay to park up if we visit the UK. The Spanish claim back the cost of E111s treatment from the UK which runs in to millions and that is fair enough. Generally speaking we spend our money which helps Spains economy. The not being able to speak the Spanish language is a fair point and the unwillingness to even try must be annoying to the Spanish. However this keeps lawyers and interpreters etc in plenty of work too. The difference between the British in Spain and Migrants trying to get in to the EU is not a even comparison. Asylum seekers are not the same as the Migrants trying for a better life either. In the UK there is not enough social housing for the indigenous population let alone schools etc. The EU was set up as a trade partnership which was a good idea but it as grown like a cancer and is just one big Quango to which our politicians want to keep because then they can move on to and feather their future nests. I will vote out in June we can manage quite nicely without all the rules and regulations holding our small businesses back. Remember the British Kite Mark which was a far more higher standard than we get now. The UK obeys all the rules in the EU other countries pretend to but don't. I see plenty of farmers burning fields in Spain and France but not the UK. We put fish back in the sea if it's not the right size not other countries though. Germany don't want us to leave because of the snowball effect. The EU is a dead Parrot and is on a slippery slope anything I can do to help it on its way I will do. Yes to trade no to the United States of Europe. We can still be part of NATO too!


Roy said:
Monday, March 14, 2016 @ 12:21 PM

It seems to me that we have nothing to gain as an expat and everything to loose if we leave the EU. We rely on the free health care we get as members of the EU and to pensioners that will be very costly. I cannot see either how jobs in the UK will be safe as overseas investment in the UK will be badly affected due to the large amount of uncertainty for investors. Many of the EU rules and regulations are positive ones and are there for good reason. The economy will be adversely affected and due to the poor exchange rate we will end up with less Euros for our pound. There is no chance that we will be better off by leaving. Better the devil we know than the devil we don't.


wodger said:
Monday, March 14, 2016 @ 2:25 PM

I agree Roy, at this moment do doubt the French will be thinking up dastardly schemes to stuff the UK with if they leave. Hollande has already stated that there will be consequences, I think the EU will be the most powerful & wealthy community in the world given average growth over the next twenty or thirty years, and where will the UK be?......an inconsequential little island.


SL said:
Monday, March 14, 2016 @ 2:55 PM

Roy the free health care is not free our government (meaning us) the taxpayer compensates other EU countries and visa versa.The pound will always fluctuate against the Euro it wasn't that long ago it was one for one so that won't wash with me. Border controls are the most important thing for me if we let that go unchecked you'll be lucky if there will be any money in the pot to pay state pensions because people who haven't paid in a penny will be emptying it. People who are genuine Asylum seekers should be helped regardless but not economic migrants.


gemini18 said:
Monday, March 14, 2016 @ 5:02 PM

SL you have summed it up perfectly.

UK trade figures have just been released he total trade deficit - covering goods and services - shrank to £3.5bn from £3.7bn in December.
The deficit in goods alone narrowed to £10.29bn - down from £10.45bn the previous month.
However, the goods trade deficit with the EU widened to £8.1bn, from £7.4bn.
Trade with the EU is coming under more attention because of the UK referendum on EU membership on 23 June. From the ONS "
And the EU will penalize the UK with trade barriers.
The numbers above are for one month remember.




SL said:
Monday, March 14, 2016 @ 8:28 PM


We import far more goods from the EU than we sell back so I can't imagine the EU cutting of their nose to spite their face, that would be bad business sense. We have a once in a lifetime chance to free the us from EU chains. The deal Cameron got is a complete joke, the other leaders must have laughed behind his back. We would be very foolish to allow scaremongering tactics to decide the outcome of this referendum. For once people should stop thinking about themselves and think about the future of their country. The chances are even ex pats will go back eventually. I want my country ruled by the British not some unelected commissioner in Brussels. Let's get real it's not going to get better if we keep the status quo, we get voted down at every turn, this supposed new deal will get overuled by the other members. If you think we will get another vote in the future then you're living in cloud cuckoo land, this is it!


wodger said:
Tuesday, March 15, 2016 @ 5:19 PM

SL
Re: border controls, there will always be an open border with the EU, even if there is a Brexit. It is between Ireland & Northern Ireland. To cross by ferry from Ireland to Wales you don't need a passport, just a utility bill to prove your residency. Following Brexit if Scotland leaves the UK and rejoins the EU then this will be another open border.


AlanR said:
Saturday, March 19, 2016 @ 1:37 AM

What a silly question!

Should the UK remain a member of the EU or leave the EU?

The ONLY answer to "Remain or Leave" is yes - the
real question is "which?"

Clearly the revised question should get over 90%
of the vote with only "fence sitters" voting "no".

With a binary question conflating BOTH answers
into one option is ridiculous!


William Harrison said:
Thursday, March 31, 2016 @ 1:59 PM

While Spain probably wouldn't want to lose out on income generated from British ex-pats, the Spanish authorities could see the UK leaving the EU as a chance to hit the British for more tax.

I can hardly see that being out of the EU would be advantageous to ex-pats living in Spain.


William Harrison said:
Thursday, March 31, 2016 @ 2:55 PM

Oh and two other things. The last Euro referendum was in 1975 not in 1973 as people have said. And this is not a 'once in a lifetime' opportunity. This is the second vote in my lifetime. And there is nothing to stop Britain voting to remain now, but having another referendum in say 10-15 years time, if the situation then demands.


Chrissy said:
Thursday, March 31, 2016 @ 3:02 PM

Im living in spain and voting in.but...why is the uk paying child benefit to eu citizens in the uk. Spain doesn't. What difference will coming out make to the risk of terrorismo when there are already isis cells in the uk. Why are muslim wowen wearing full face veils in the uk but not inspain. How has any of these things to do with the eu?


Charlietwice said:
Saturday, April 23, 2016 @ 1:05 PM

This is the craziest poll result I've ever seen. Vote to leave the EU? Seriously? I'd smile if it wasn't so serious!


expatdee said:
Saturday, June 4, 2016 @ 8:42 AM

Absolutely Vote OUT! The UK infrastructure is on it's knees, no-one can get housing, people are waiting months and years sometimes for hospital treatment , and our schools are at breaking point with only one child sometimes in the whole school with the ability to speak English. There's never been more people on benefits, and ESA, and disability yet compartively few people working and paying into the system, because so much is being given to incomers from foreign lands for free. By the time we and our children need to draw a pension in the UK there will be no money left in the pot to pay, and everyone will have to work until they die without any type of pension or disability benefits. VOTE OUT to stop these immigrants coming in, and claiming benefits and houses for free..and lets have jobs back again for our own people and allow them to pay into a system which will pay them back a pension in their old age, remember what comes to the UK will come to Spain first. The very first thing which will go will be Pensions for people who no longer living in the UK reagrdless of whether we've paid into the pot for 40 or 50 years, there will just not be enough money left because they are too busy using it to give to benefit claimants who are not entitled to even be in this country ...Vote OUT now..this will be your only chance, do not waste this vote.!!! Do not believe Camerons' lies. we will not be worse off if we Brexit...we were better off before we joined,, we have never been in such dire straights as we are now, so let's take control of our own country again, vote out and make Britain the country again which was the envy of the world!!


Charlietwice said:
Saturday, June 18, 2016 @ 3:04 PM

Nearly all of the comments made in the post immediately above are untrue. The last six years has seen the worst government in recent memory. They are to blame for the cuts to NHS and public services, not the eu. The irony of someone who lives in Spain and complains about people in the uk not speaking English is astounding. Most Europeans who come to the uk put us Brits to Shame because the CAN speak English. It's not the case with English over here. Foreigners don't get free money! They get three months jobseekers and have to prove they have a realistic possiblitlty of getting a job. Three months! Wow! Anything else is down to government policy, not the Eu. Those of you wanting to leave the eu and live in Spain and have a state pension. It is only index linked in the Eu. That will go if we leave. Medical treatment will likely go too. As has been mentioned previously, a vote to leave is akin to a turkey voting for Christmas! Remember Cameron is a Tory, and Tories CUT! Not the EU.


Charlietwice said:
Saturday, June 18, 2016 @ 3:04 PM

Nearly all of the comments made in the post immediately above are untrue. The last six years has seen the worst government in recent memory. They are to blame for the cuts to NHS and public services, not the eu. The irony of someone who lives in Spain and complains about people in the uk not speaking English is astounding. Most Europeans who come to the uk put us Brits to Shame because the CAN speak English. It's not the case with English over here. Foreigners don't get free money! They get three months jobseekers and have to prove they have a realistic possiblitlty of getting a job. Three months! Wow! Anything else is down to government policy, not the Eu. Those of you wanting to leave the eu and live in Spain and have a state pension. It is only index linked in the Eu. That will go if we leave. Medical treatment will likely go too. As has been mentioned previously, a vote to leave is akin to a turkey voting for Christmas! Remember Cameron is a Tory, and Tories CUT! Not the EU.


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