Completion of phase II

 Getting back to the topic at hand. Why David wrotte "Just to be clear I don't agree with Max's post which is a mixture of untruths, half truths and fantasies - he seems to have completely lost the plot!"  Is not clear. I don't fantasize, nor make up untruths or half truths. I know this community very well, I'm privy to most of the exchanges with the town hall and the water company. I have never made statements about Don Juan which I could't substantiate. I hate false rumours and do my utmost to refrain from them.

The problem with the licensing of the phase II pool is still there. We could help them out by rearranging some gates and fences. It wouldn't cost us money and would help phase II enormously. We (phase I) need proper access to the gardens in front of block 5 and 6 and phase II needs a pool license as fast as possible.  I still consider this a very viable solution, but I'm completely open to an alternative thought through proposal.

Max. 

Max

I think your suggestion, whilst being possibly against pool regulatiions was a good compromise but:

 Why don't we just ask the occupant to get rid of his gate!? This should solve the problem in one fell swoop.

Also I keep asking but no one will reply with a definitive answer. Are gates alowed in the constitution ir not?

David, you said this:

There are no current rules about gates but we don't need rules for things that are already covered by existing regulations and it is against the law to have a gate leading from a private garden directly into an area where there is a community swimming pool.

So has the occupant in block 5 broken the rules or not?

As I understood from our administration, the fact that we don't have a license for the second pool yet is because there is still some work that need to be done to the pumping system. Last year the two pools had the same problem, but the board decided to fix just one of the pools because there was no time to fix both.

They didn't mention anything about the gates. I suppose the community could just put a chainlock around the offending gates if the owners refuse to remove it, i've seen this happen in other communities we lived in.

As for the pool of phase II: it first needs to be cleaned out and have clean water in it with the proper chemicals and the pumping system running before a license can be applied for.

Sorry to drag attention back to the phase two pool and seeing as it concerns the comminity of phase one I have also posted this here and on the phase two thread.

Despite the active postings nothing has been decided and if nothing is decided and subsequently proposed to the developer they will simply do as they like.

As far as I can see we have a number of options.

1) Put a lock and chain round the occupant in block 5's gate.

2) Put a small "fence" round his gate.

3) Implement Max's recommendations.

4) Any other ideas?

5) Procrastinate, do nothing and let the developer ride roughshod over us.

Whatever we do the developer must be consulted, or at least informed, as soon as possible.

Use ventas@arrohabitatge.com (sales) and you will reach Perla.max put this on the eye of spain some time ago bye

I wouldn't bother asking Perla anything. She will probably tell you the pool on Phase 2 will be ready tomorrow with dolphins thrown in for the kids to swim with, the road by the train station will be tarmacced by Friday, and the new golf course built beside Don Juan will be officially opened by Seve Ballesteros by the end of the week.

Westport

 SRS,

You wrote 'Max

I think your suggestion, whilst being possibly against pool regulatiions was a good compromise but:

 Why don't we just ask the occupant to get rid of his gate!? This should solve the problem in one fell swoop.

Because it would't solve the issues we have. If we want to maintain the gardens in front of block five and six we need access. We can't expect people to climb a hill with a mower. Besides the owners themself wan't access to communal gardens so the gate between five and six has to be opened as well as the gate in front of the pool. 

It would also be faster because you can't expect neighbours to close gates to communal areas of their own. The swimming pool fences are just in the wrong spot. He can't help that.

BTW my proposal is not against any pool regulation. 

Max

Hello Max

I know some people have gates already and they are obviously in sympathy with the occupant of block 5 due to self interest.

 I have said on many occassions that I do not give a hoot who has or has not got a gate unless it affects me.  The occupant of block 5 has a gate that may be indirectly affecting me and I am not happy about it.  I have a stinking pit next to my apartment (as has the occupant in question and it needs to be sorted)! You do not.

I ask again are gates allowed to communal gardens?  If the answer to this is "no" then I do not care what the owner can or cannot help, tell him to get rid of it.

If the answer is "yes" then let us see it in the constitution  and if it is in there  then your suggestion is a good compromise. David however indicated that the border fence may be against regulations as it would be too close to the poolside.

Personaly I am a bit frustrated with people doing as they wish with gates, sheds, fences, air conditioning units,dishes and the like whilst cocking a snoop to the community.  From what I could see the main gate to phase 2 pool and the path is on phase one land so what the heck are the developer employees doing locking it anyway?

 Hi Srs,

Hello max

Yes, I know that you are trying to help, hence your suggestion on fence boundaries which as I have already said is quite a good compromise.

From what you have said the owner in SS did the correct thing in asking for guidance but did the wrong thing in ignoring what was good advice.  He should have waited until the pool area was finished before installing his gate, if only out of consideration.  This is exactly what I meant with my last paragraph in my post about disregard of  committee / community guidance.

I have no wish to conduct a campaign against the owner of SS and his gate, I do not know them and I have said previously  that I do not care, in principal, whether he has a gate or not. I have better things to occupy my time.

This is also not a case of "gate envy"!     Judging from the shed fiasco then any campaign would be futile anyway.

Also I mentioned  the term "self interest" in my post which is not the same as "selfishness". 

You have hinted in the latter part of your post that I am being selfish wanting the pool area sorted so that I can rent my apartment without having a smelly mosquito ridden area with a floating (albeit decomposed) rat next to it.  Well, you are right I am being selfish in that case but selfish on behalf of all neighbours suffering the same, whether they be renters or owners.  Selfishness however does not come into it as I am not looking to deprive anyone of anything to the benefit of myself only.

So an open request to the committee, can you please contact the developer and liaise with them on the imminent or future completion of the pool or alternatively let us have the report mentioned by David as soon as possible (or both) so that I can stop banging on about this confounded topic which is beginning to bore me and no doubt all readers not affected by it!

Also, I appreciate your interest as I believe that you are no longer a committee member and the pool area does not affect you but we are all neighbours wanting the best for our community.

srs

 As far I now know the first meeting of the phase II community is planned for the second week of April.  

Max 

 Good news for SRS, good news for phase II, but bad news for the rest of us. Arrohabitatge is building a fence following the provisional division line of our community. This leaves us with a very narrow corridor to our communal garden.

This message was last edited by max! on 3/9/2009.

Why is this good news for me Max?

I was the person who was concerned about it in the first place and suggested that we act before it was built.  The recent discussions about it were instigated by myself. Also David said that the dividing line should not be here but at poolside.

This is the exact action by the developer that I was trying to avoid by encouraging dialogue with the developer!  Just because they build a fence does not mean that they will sort out the pool.  Please do not imply that what is good news for me is bad news for the rest of phase one as I am a resident of phase one also.

I'm terribly sorry SRS, that I inadvertently used your name.  Please accept my apologies.

I thought you would find it good news as it is a clear sign that the developer is preparing the pool area for a license. I know you would have preferred a different solution just like me. 

The promoter is now following the dividing line that has been placed there a few months ago. To the best of my knowledge the rope was placed by phase I so it seems logical that they follow that line. 

Max

No problem Max. Good photo!

Interesting you say that Phase 1 may have put up the rope divider.

I assume that David still monitors this site and if so can he let me know if the above above fact is correct.

Also if the developer is building the fence on our portion of the land is there anyone at Don Juan who can stop them as a matter of urgency?

 Hi SRS,

I had the strong impression that it was our initiative as David wrote some months ago 'We will also advise our intention to fence off the garden behind block 5 (which belongs to us) dramatically reducing the sunbathing area around the phase 2 pool. "

The rope materialized at the same time as the sign stating that the water installation was on our property so I assumed both actions were related. 

If this is not true we could call the police and state that they are building on our property. 

Max

Thanks

If that is the case then if there are any committee members reading this can you please call the developer straight away and suggest that the fence is not put up and that they can use the green area in it's entirety if we can use the pool?

We will address the "gate" issue later.

Can someone please take the initiative and do this.