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29 May 2008 9:50 AM by RG Star rating. 299 forum posts Send private message

My lawyer has informed me that he has the factura / invoice from Fuengirola Ayuntamiento which shows the exact amount of the plus valia he also stated that this bill is in the name of the registered owner i.e. me which means that if we refuse to pay it the town hall has every right to exercise penalties and interest which we would be liable for not the developer as the invoice is in our names. I have also been informed that the law about the plus valia i.e. that the seller should pay this only came about after we signed the private contract before this point was made law the general consensus was that the seller should pay but this was open to negotiation within the terms of the private contract. This may be different for those of you who signed the private contract somewhat later.


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29 May 2008 12:43 PM by davmunster Star rating in Carvajal\Belfast. 843 forum posts Send private message

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My Viva Estates introduced lawyer has the same document and said the same thing - to the point where we would eventually end up with an embargo on our apartment. However I do not think this is correct and do not plan to pay. We need to get advice from a proper lawyer.

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29 May 2008 5:48 PM by davmunster Star rating in Carvajal\Belfast. 843 forum posts Send private message

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Copy of article on Eye on Spain:

Consumer Law - Abusive Clauses In Your Contract

There has recently been passed a Law, ( Law 44/2006)  dated on  the 29th December  2006, for the improvement of the protection of consumers and users. It has specific mention to what are considered abusive clauses in Real Estate purchase contracts.

Therefore it is not any more a matter of Court Decisions (subsidiary source of Law in our legal system) but of Law (primary source of Law).   It is in force since the 31st of December 2006.

About nullity of abusive clauses

Provision 10 bis.1 of Law 44/2006 affirms:

“It will be considered as
abusive clauses all those which have not been individually negotiated and all those practices which have not been expressly agreed and that, against the standards of the good faith, produce, to the detriment of the consumer, an important imbalance between rights and obligations of the contract parties (…)”

The consequence for an abusive clause are the same:
null and void  ipso iure, and they will be omitted in the contract and considered as inexistent.

The Administration can demand the offender to compensate the consumer.

Regarding abusive clauses when selling houses.

A list of specific abusive clauses in the sale of houses:

1.       The stipulation that forces the consumer to pay the expenses related to the initial legal title of the house (new work deed, horizontal division deed, mortgages deed for the building or its division or cancellation deed)

2.       The stipulation that obliges the consumer to assume (subrogate into) the mortgage of the builder/developer or which imposes penalties if not assuming that mortgage.

3.       The stipulation that forces the consumer to pay taxes for which the chargeable person is the builder-developer.

4.       The stipulation which obliges the consumer to pay expenses related to the setting up of access to general supplies of the house.

Houses need to be handed over in good habitable conditions.

Any clause in purchase contracts containing one of those abusive terms or anything related will be considered as
inexistent and therefore unforceable by developer/builder.

Written by

Maria L. de Castro
Lawyer

 The other side of the argument is set out in this email from my lawyer. BTW we all received a council notification about Plus Valia owed by us today:

In reply to your e-mail of earlier today, our firm is perfectly aware of this law.  However, if you sign an agreement wherein it states the contrary, it is understood that you have knowledge of what you have signed and are in agreement with same.  I take this opportunity to bring to your attention that Point C of Clause 11 states:

 

DÉCIMA PRIMERA.- SERAN DE CUENTA DE LA PARTE COMPRADORA LOS SIGUIENTES GASTOS:

C.- Impuesto sobre el Incremento de Valor de los terrenos de Naturaleza Urbana. (Plusvalía municipal).

 

And again, I repeat, in the title deed it expressly states that you will be liable for the payment of this tax.

 

For your information, we have knowledge of clients that purchased in another development through another firm who had this same problem and they decided to get together and take the matter to Court.  In the end, the clients lost the case and had to pay not only the initial tax, but also the surcharges incurred due to the late payment and the costs of the judicial proceedings.

 

It is of course your decision as to whether or not to pay this.  But as previously stated, your obligation to pay this is clearly stated in the documents and in the event that you do not, an embargo will be placed on the property by the Town Hall and judicial proceedings could be brought against you.




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29 May 2008 6:15 PM by RG Star rating. 299 forum posts Send private message

Interesting article. However it states this was made law in December 2006 therefore I would think that any contracts signed prior to this date is not covered by this law (as in many of our cases). Your lawyers says that they know of other clients who have sued using this law and failed I would think they failed because of the same scenario in that the contract they signed were prior to Dec 2006. It is most likely that this law would be upheld on any contracts made after this date. For those who have signed prior to Dec 2006, for the relatively small costs involved is it really worth the aggravation and expense in bringing the matter to court?


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30 May 2008 10:42 AM by srs Star rating. 136 forum posts Send private message

We signed before December 06 but I am in agreement with RG, that is: is it really worth the hastle?
To this end has anyone any idea as to who we make payment?
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30 May 2008 11:02 AM by davmunster Star rating in Carvajal\Belfast. 843 forum posts Send private message

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Ultimately the money is payable to the Town Hall. It is them that have put notices in our letter boxes. My solicitor suggested sending the money to them. They were going to forward it to Arrohabitatge.  I don't know if they have even paid the 500€ that was collected at the beginning to the Town Hall

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30 May 2008 7:00 PM by solgre Star rating in Denmark. 79 forum posts Send private message

hi all
So far I have not heard anything from our lawyer about more tax payments. But if I do get a letter,  I want them to confirm if I am disengaged for any further bills for the tax. Who will the tax office go for if Arrohabitatge  do not pay the bill? Will they go for the owner when they sell , or will they go for the first time seller?

If the legal action towards Arrohabitatge will say they need to pay our community - maybe we could hold back the money and just set money off in Arrohabitatges payment. If it will not be too long time in the future?





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31 May 2008 2:10 PM by max! Star rating in Fuengirola. 944 forum posts Send private message

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My own lawyer still thinks it's illegal and will go to court for it. It's over 800 Euros by now so well worth doing it (and I have a lot of other issues).
I asked Maria, the author of the article quoted, and she also says it always was illegal. The new law made thing just easier and clearer. In your title deed the notary advises you that you sign a provision which is contrary to the law. He didn't do that without a reason :)


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04 Jun 2008 2:28 PM by davmunster Star rating in Carvajal\Belfast. 843 forum posts Send private message

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I spoke to my new (improved) lawyer about this yesterday. It has been common practice on Costa del Sol for the purchaser to pay the developers mortgage cancellation fees, Plus Valia tax and 100% of the Notary Fees (it should be 50%). Even though this is contrary to the law it is by agreement between the parties and many judges, before the new consumer protection law came in, upheld the developer's right to make these charges. There has not been sufficient test cases yet to be sure that  they will not take the  same view in spite of the new  law.  The key question is are they abusive? With regard to the additional amount requested he advised me not to pay. If I have to pay eventually the interest will only be a few percent per year and in a few year's time it may be possible not to pay at all. It will be quite a few years before there is any possibility on an embargo being placed on the property.

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05 Jun 2008 11:56 PM by rosegreen Star rating. 52 forum posts Send private message

What is going on?  Have the developers gone belly up?  We will be out there on the 23rd of June but we are extremely worried/


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