more photos and info

hi,

sorry it has been a while.

I was on an inspection trip on 8th june and bought an eagle. M11 - 14. My mum and dad are in M11 - 7.

i tried to get as much info as possible and took some pics which i am away to try and add.

I have got pics of m11 and also of where the show houses are - think it is m15 but could be wrong.

the road with the show houses had been finished been tarred. water and elec was to the houses but not sure if connected to the mains though.

my rep must have thought i was  a right idiot as i was going checking all these different houses to see if the water and elec was there! the roads on m11 wasnt finished, there was no pavements. my mums house looked finished, except for the big mound of sand in her garden! and there was not water or elec to the houses.

the road leading up to the portacabin office was finished and the pink pavements looked rather nice, just waiting on the palm trees going in.

the golf course - there was a patch of grass, which i was told is the practice area. did hear a rumour that the houses on m24? opposite the portacabin, wouldnt be releases until the 9 holes were complete.

ok so here is some other info i managed to get.

the 9 holes is due to be complete by the end of the year.

18 holes is due to be complete within  1 year - 2years max and phase 2 cannot be released until the 18 holes are complete and open, it is part of the contract.

the whole development should be complete within 3-4 years

there will be a bank on site - bbva

there are various bars and restaurants on site, in which they are trying to get a variety. and also in the clubhouse and hotel

there will be shops on site as well as at the clubhouse and at the hotel

there will be amedical centre on site

there are at least 2 swimming pools on site, but are trying to get 4-5. the more there is the more chance there will end up being maintainance fees, which there is not ant. it is the only resort there is no monthly/annual fees.

there will be play areas on site for children.

there should be a road connecting the resort to other golf courses

there will be buses (not straight away) that will go to the beach, airport etc

there was a new road/flyover in balsicas just being finished that will connect to the train station.

i was also told there was water on site and elec would be connected in 2 weeks(bearing in mind this was 3 weeks ago, i was told this)  seemingly there has been some delay in paperwork. not sure what but it usually takes 2-3 months and it is taking 6 months.

my mum was given a date of 30/06/07. this has now passed and hasnt heard of anyone one from atlas international(sales) she has phoned and they passed the  buck and said they hadnt heard from the builder and when they do they will contact her. however, i am also on M11 and my date is 30/10/07 and as my mum is 7 doors down i would imagine that the houses will be released at the same time.

so it would seem that someone completely new to going out and buying on SG is being told more info than people who have already bought. think it is awful, however, my agent and my mums atlas(sales) in dorking and in spain are well aware of this, as i passed my feelings on.

I am finding that unless you ask, your not getting told things you need to know.

NIE numbers. now have to be applied in person and can take up to 8 weeks( murcia is 4 weeks at the moment)  you have to have the original when signing your deeds

to arrange a mid term visit you have to give 6 -8 weeks notice. (dont know why, as you have to organise your own flights, accom. you have to stay in the torreveija area or they dont do your airport transfers and when they take you to do your nie, bank etc, if your not in that area, then you have to meet them in that area)

you cant go on a mid term in august as its all shut, then there is conference week beg of sept. so basically i am running out of time to get our nie number before my date(thats if it runs on time) but no one has even contacted us. mums date has passed and no one has contacted her about her nie number.

residency cards have been scrapped, however there is a new residency paper which must be completed if in spain more than 3 months.

inheritance tax has been scrapped

capital gains tax has been reduced to 15% but all outgoings can be deducted from this( not sure on this bit, i asked that much info that i didnt really want him to expalin it a bit more to me!)

it is as advised to get your passport authenticated. involves a trip to alicante. you have to show this or your residency paper whwn paying by credit card ( and debit card, i think) it always has to be carried on you in person.

when signing your deeds(notary) you must ask for a copy which should cost about 29e as it often takes 6 months to come through and you will need it for various things including, phone, elec etc

anyone looking for electrical goods? tien 21 is quite good and you can haggle for a better price. they deliver and set it all up for you.

general estimates i was given for utilities was:

water 90e  every 2 months

elec 90e  every 2 months

phone 60e  every 2 months

broadband  20e  every month

rates 120e  every year

i did get told that bins would be emptied every night.

you can get an offer with broadband - tesco is one of them, if you and your family and friends are on the same one you get free evening and weekend calls anywhere, would save a few pennies.

i was advised to look into private medical insurance, they said it would be about 600e a year. if you are over 60 years then you qualify for free and does your partner. same applies if one works in spain.

 still awake? hope i havent bored anyone. might be useful info to someone.

ok. think that is everything!

 dont know if it is bad news or good news for some of you but hope it helps.

the pics i am away to try and put on is the following:

road which show houses were on  M15?

the bit of grass on the golf course x2

pic of M11 - 7(you can see bit of M11 -6 x2

pic of my house M11 - 14

pic of my garden looks like a massive sandpit!

road & pavement of M11 (or lack of it)

road leading up to the development

dee & scott

M11-14

Hi Dee and Scott,

Thanks for all the pictures and the information, we are in M11 - 4 and are planning a visit next week, we will try for more photos and more info, like your mother we have been given 30th June completion date, no one has contacted us to say otherwise yet.

We thought we would have a good look round next week and try to talk to the person in charge at Atlas Office Torrevieja and try to get some realistic dates out of them.  We would prefer to know exactly where we stand.

We visited in Feb for our mid term visit, got our NIE numbers, opened our bank account, were shown round the Atlas shop to choose our white goods - (which we didn't because they were very overpriced) and apart from that just wasted a long weekend (apart from the sun of course).

Could you tell us which area the tien 21 is as we want to go to get an idea of the cost.  The prices we saw last time were so overpriced we couldn't believe it. 

Also you have got a lot of information out of someone but can you tell us who?  Was it an Atlas rep or a Masa rep or someone else in the know?

R and G

Hi

Two example white goods packages from bercedogarcia(Mercers):- We picked this up on our last visit from Victoria

Basic package,

Electric oven and hob,  Fridgefreezer (1.70), washing machine 400 spin, Extractor fan, TV 20" DVD player, Iron, Hairdryer Kettle, Toaster  Euros 1600.

De luxe package:-

Electric oven and hob,  Fridgefreezer (1.85) frost free. Washing machine 1000 spin  Extractor fan,  TV 29" DVD player, Iron, Hairdryer Kettle Toaster Euros 1.850

You can choose different items if you wish.  These  prices  include IVA, delivery, installation and 2 year guarantee

hi

I am in M24 which is opposite the golf course so a bit depressed by the news that they wont hand over until the 9 holes have been complete, as you say this is due by the end of the year but I am not holding my breath for that, my completion date was Dec 06, Is there anyone else out there in M24??  if so have you any other information.. I queried this whole phase 1 business with my lawyer and Masa this week and Masa have stated they do not use the term phase 1 with regards to handing over the property but did say that they were handing the poligonos M13-M16 over first as they were the first to be sold which ties in with the fact that these are the only roads that have been tarmac'ed. So I guess M11,M12, M53 and I am hoping M24 are next as those are the remaining pologronos in that phase 1 area, I am going to upload a good copy of the plan which shows all the poligonos clearly,

cheers

caroline fennelly -M24 -13