El Pinet

Every owner will take part when the estate is passed over - just wait and see

Prior to this we are all wasting our time......................

No commitee can be legally formed or funds taken (or owed) until the estate has been passed over to the residents and COH are in place.

Its only been four years hopefully another 4 months will see things come to a head - everyone will see sense at that stage!?

Every owner will take part when the estate is passed over - just wait and see

Prior to this we are all wasting our time......................

No commitee can be legally formed or funds taken (or owed) until the estate has been passed over to the residents and COH are in place.

Its only been four years hopefully another 4 months will see things come to a head - everyone will see sense at that stage!?

Hi Divineintervention,

I'm sure you are aware of your facts that they won't come after you for monies owed. But it still needs the committee to act with resonability in accordance with this law (Horizontal Law) they keep quoting. I thought it was for appartment blocks and not villa's?

Have you heard a date when the CoH are going to be issued?

Hi All

Just back after a glorious month in El Pinet. Not much to report other than all roads are finished and people working on site. Not too sure what they are doing but they must be doing something as they are on site every day. Still waiting for the big switch on of the lights. The large area where everything was dumped has now been completely cleared apart from a small amount of building materials. Both roundabouts look ready for landscaping.

The two out of service pools have now been filled up so would assume these will be ok for the increased traffic in July and August. Very little information coming out about COH certs. There is a rumour that the AGM may be at the end of July but nothing definate yet. Can't find out why there is so little information on the Community website. There was some talk that the local mayor was concerned about the misinformation circulating. If that's the case perhaps he should do something to expedite matters.

There now seems to be a general frustration, especially from those of us who have paid a considerable amount of money since September 2008 to keep things going  Whether you feel the Community is legal or not the Committee have done well in a very difficult situation. I agree with 9 palms who makes some excellent points. I am not so sure that even when matters are resolved whether most owners will want to know. In my experience people can't be bothered to get involved so it will still be left to the minority that can, probably the Residents, and the few that whinge from the sidelines. 

I have read on another forum that community charges are due as soon as the builder hands over the property and a Community is formed. This does not necessarily occur at the same time as the COH cert appears. Whether this is correct or not I have no idea. 

I echo Victor's last paragraph and hope that in the not too distant future we can all put this behind us. 

Hi Vagabond,

Thank you for the information and comments you posted. I think you are right in saying that all of us should be informed as to what is going on. Just a brief constructive piece, I'm sure the mayor wouldn't mind. As we are paying his wages through our taxes. I haven't seen anything on the EP site to suggest anything derogatory or malicious. Anything said has been on this site and other sites. He must have a lot of spare time and a good command of english.

It has been out of frustration and misinformation. SJ have themselves to blame, but they have stayed unlike other builders. There are property owners who have issues, nothing to show for or half finished propertys. They need answers!

I'm looking to go out next month, I was hoping to be there for the AGM! If I hear anything I will let you know.

I'm sure like you pointed out from the positve last paragraph from VM we will look back at this better people.

Copied from the El Pinet Site re: pools.

Pool Volunteers
Anyone wishing to help with cleaning of the common pool areas should ask on site.  It was thought that any volunteer cleaning might take place in the evening as opposed to the previous morning slot.  

M2 Pool is full and is being used at present.  A maintenance operative from SJ is coming several times a week to do ongoing maintenance.

M8 Pool was refilled last week but is not yet open for use. 

M13 Pool is currently in use.

Pool Repairs
Discussion at the recent committee meeting (minutes not posted at the time this message appears) centred on progress of repairs of the pools by SJ.  This continues at a slow pace.  Pool insurance was also discussed.

Pools Insurance
Several quotes have been sought and good progress is being made to ensure that the communities have the correct public liability insurance in case of an accident.

Pool Maintenance
There was discussion over the ongoing maintenance of the pools as there are numerous repairs which need to be done before they are fit to be handed over to the various communities. It was suggested that since SJ still appear to be working on all pools that we should wait for them to finish before compiling a snag list of any outstanding faults.
 

always  promised Noel I would join  this......Its just taken me an hour to work it out.

been e mailed  agm 30th july

Hi dbr & other's,

Is that right the AGM is on the 30th July? I have just come back and no one said a thing about it! Its like MI5!

Its on the EP Site (30th July) along with a Proxy form to send off. So get those forms in, no vote no say. Mind you there is no agenda.

There does seem to be things happening be it slow and  now that we are into holidays it will be very slow to stop. When someone appeared they seem to start by driving around in their vehicle, sounding the horn. I thought they were touting for business.

Norman is in the sale/pilot house/villa number one on the other corner. A Spanish solicitor from the village has bought the other. She has it up for sale though. She will handle the legal side of sales if you want. Norman will sell your property, get it in writing, if you can! Has a thing about the English. He's from Jamaica, anyway judge for yourself. He will give you SJ info.

 Committee Meeting at El Pinet 4th July 2010

Present:- Representatives from the three communities as follows:-Gino, Alec, Mick, Steve, Paco, Cherry, Pat and Chris.

The purpose of the meeting was to finally decide to whom we are going to award the cleaning and gardening contract(s) for the community pools.

Prior to discussing the contract awards, Mick tabled a report he had formulated in conjuction with other members regarding the existing condition of the three pools which, according to San Jose, can and are now being used.

Pool M2.- Although some work has been done on this pool as regards re-bedding of lifted tiles we are still faced with the problem of slippery surfaces when wet and extreme heat of the tiles at this time of the year. The water quality is borderline but still safe. The automatic chlorine regulator is not working at this time and one of the pumps appears to be out of order and only one shower is in service. There are also a number of tiles missing in the pool (58). San Jose are still cleaning the pool but only once a week which is insufficient at this time. We would however expect an improvement in the water quality as soon as our pool cleaners start work. We will ask the new contractor to rectify these points once the water quality has been stabilised.

We will also make enquiries as to what can be done to alleviate the problem with the slipperry tiles and the cost.

Pool M8,- This pool is now back in service and is also being cleaned at this time once a week by San Jose. The grounds have been cleaned and the grass cut and tidied. Again the automatic chlorine dispenser would appear to be out of order. The showers are also not working. Again we will ask the contractors to look at resolving these issues as soon as.

Pool M13,- Although this pool has now been cleaned and put into service we are still faced with several problems. The pool still has a large leak and to continually keep filling it automatically is draining the water supply from the community tanks in this area and beyond. One of the pumps is also not working, only one shower is working and the chlorine dispenser is again not in use. Tiles are also missing in the pool. The pool surrounding grounds have been attended to. We need to find the source of the leak before asking our pool contractor to take over this pool, if we keep it in service then topping up will have to be done by tanker in order to conserve supplies to households. We will go back to San Jose and ask them to resolve the leak.

If we have to proceed to undertake any of these repairs/maintenance problems then any monies we have to expend will be deducted from monies we may owe to San Jose at the final reckoning.

Pool Contractor;- Having studied the quotes tabled at our previous meeting in June committee members were now required to nominate who was to be awarded the contract for pool maintenance. Following discussions around the table over the details of each quote it was decided to offer the contract for pool maintenance only to PJ Pools. Their quote was very detailed and the annual cost was clearly denoted whereas the other quotes were somewhat vague in relation to the final yearly cost or the number of times to be cleaned weekly throughout the year. The contract is to be offered for a year only and will be reviewed subject to performance on a regular basis.

As PJ Pools do not undertake gardening we will approach one of the other quoted contractors to see if they wish to undertake the gardening section of pools M8 & M13. If they are not prepared to do this then we will approach one of the many local garden centres who undertake this work.

Gino will make the official approach to PJ Pools and have them sign a contract as per their quote and also agree a start date (see postscript)

Further discussions followed on the security of the pools and required signage. Whilst it was generally felt

that a system of key/swipe entry would be advisable in each pool the committee are aware that the cost could not be justified at this time due to lack of funds and we would have to look at this sometime early next year when we may have a clearer indication of funds available. We would ask that owners do to their best to police their pool accordingly but not to get into any confrontations.

We have been advised by our Administrators that we are not required to provide lifeguards as the pools are not considered large enough. Gino suggested that next year it may be possible to employ 2 guards over a two month period (July/August) to police the three pools. This again will be dependent on monies being received.

We will approach a local sign maker to investigate the cost of decent signage for each pool after we have taken advice on what signage would be appropriate for our communities.

It was also reported that following on from our last committee meeting that the television antennae had now been corrected to receive a digital signal. It is now down to individual owners to obtain their own digibox if they wish to receive this signal.

4th July 2010

PS. The new pool maintenance company started work on the 8th July and there is already a noticeable improvement in water cleanliness.

Update to minutes from Pat Parkes:

Regarding the pools it was also agreed that the automatic refill could be turned off from the tank water supply and water brought in by tanker paid for out of Community expenses thus reducing the risk of properties being without water continuously due to the auto fill supply draining the water tanks.

Since the meeting, I can report with regard to M-8 Pool that the auto fill system has been turned off and water tanker will to be brought in when necessary. One shower is in working order and on Friday of this week, hopefully, the other shower system will be repaired together with repairing the locking system of one of the pool´s boxes which at the moment can be opened by anyone to damage etc.

This message was last edited by victor meldrew on 27/07/2010.

 My question to much of previous is WHY?  

 Pools..restrict to owners only.  If  those renting out a property wish to also rent out our pool then we should have 100% agreement that it is accepable and fees should be paid to other owners in respect of their property being used as they appear to be incurring a cost.SNAGS ARE STILL AN SJ PROBLEM.  As SJ have been paid in full by myself and every other owner I can not see how anything is owed to them...infact I would suggest that they have a great debt to every owner for unfinished work /

TV antenna have always been fine even for digital, but so many tampered with the system to get uk tv that they lost the Spanish. Ripped off ,  think so?   Pool attendants...if Gino wants them let him pay for them. Slippy tiles.....we cope inside so why not outside? Try wearing sandles with decent grip or take care just as you would on ICE. 

This message was last edited by victor meldrew on 27/07/2010.

I have not tampered with any tv wiring and have no signal so I disagree with Victor's theory.

I rent out my property through the summer, but I pay all my requested fees in full and therefore disagree with the suggestion that I should pay for my friends and family to use the pool. Having bought my house, paid my fees and endured the last 5 years like everyone else, Victor can frankly take a run and jump in the pool if he thinks its's fair that I pay more.

Perhaps Victor would prefer that owners can only use the pool a limited amount of times....if not then how can someone who stays have any greater right to use our pools than someone who is perhaps only there for 4 weeks a year. Get real Victor!! The pools are for all of those who reside in a property, whether permanently, over the summer, over the winter or even for just two weeks for their summer holiday.

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lets get this straight...why are you paying 'fees'  the estate is not legal yet.    I am a 'part' owner of a pool as you are..however if maintenance is increased because of your customers why should I pay?         the pool is ONLY  for owners  as far as I can see..there  was nothing from SJ that said I had to provide a free service to paupers 

This message was last edited by victor meldrew on 28/07/2010.

just in case we have any doubts about who the pools  are for......ITS THE OWNERS  not those who 'reside'~( rent)

just to let you know been informed A.G.M. has been canceled.going to be an informal meeting on 21 aug. think the pools should be left to s.j. we have enough to get on with .i.e habitation certs.get  it legal.

Oh how easy it is to be wise after the event! Quite simply, we all 'legally' bought  properties which 'legally' we should not be using without our cedula de habitabilidad.  If, as has been suggested, we had all done nothing and left it to SJ and the due 'legal' process, would we now have a derelict development with zero value on our hands? Hey, who knows?

Are we now in a much better position with regard to getting the certificates than we were 1-2 years ago, is this due to the negotiations of our committee with SJ and Elche Council? Who knows.? If we had not formed a community,  would be as far forward as we are now? Again, who knows?  

As for the pools only being for the use of owners/residents, who would police the pools to check identities and find out where the people are staying and if they are entitled to use the pool? Who would ask for payment for use of the pool, or alternatively ban them from using it at all?  Just not practical? And, if owners choose to rent their properties and facilities to whoever is that their prerogative?  Is there anything in the covenants to say sub letting is illegal?

Is there someone out there who knows all the answers - for sure?!

It is impossible to make tiles non-slip when they are wet so suggest notices are put up to this effect to make people aware of the danger. Or am I wrong - who knows?

The pools are for the use of those who own property in the development and as such anyone who is residing in such properties. You seem to be arguing that if someone is staying in a property for a year and paying rent, then they have no entitlement to use the pool, whereas someone who owns their own property and stays for a year can use the pool freely every day. If I am not in my house but I have friends or family there who are staying for a week or two, they are fully entitled to make use of the pool in my absence...to suggest otherwise is stupid. And I can assure you that I will fully encourage them to use it.

Where does your arguement end. A house that sleeps 6 people and is occupied by 6 peiople would naturally use the pool more than a house that was only occupied by 1 person. Does that mean the single person should recieve some sort of rebate or that the 6 people in the other house should have limitted use or pay a surcharge....rubbish!

The pools are for the use of owners and residents of properties alike whether they are permanent or part-time residents, short or longterm rentals.

Perhaps you could suggest at the next meeting that no-one used the pools and therefore we will have nothing to pay at all

Excellent summing up of the current situation by CeeJay although I'm not sure if anyone knows all the answers.

Also if none of us are supposed to be 'legally' living there without Habitation Certificates, why are a number of owners renting out their properties? How many of those renting out have actually made any additional contribution towards the maintenance of the pools etc.

One other point worth mentioning is that the Administrators, Mediterraneo, still have no up to date contact details for a significant number of owners. When the time comes to issue above mentioned certificates will they all suddenly appear out of the mist like  faceless apparitions !!   Should be very interesting. 

Hi all,

I will be there soon. Hope the mozzies have moved to the other side of the world or at least a couple of miles N, S, E or W. I do not care as long as they leave MY legs alone this year.