Change of management - Jardines

I would worry Kev if they've actually signed a legally binding contract with Antionio Gil as we'd all be liable for any payments contained within it.

This whole sorry mess need clarified ASAP.

'Cappie' I think all the Jardine presidents or Sergio as the higher level president need now to come forward and tell us what is going on here.The email extract below is a good start. I know the President's job is entirely voluntary (and not something I'd want to take on, so I have some sympathy here) but they should have a grasp of what they can or can't do and if what has been written below is true some have either been misled or very badly advised.

There has been a drive right from the very start to get this Antonio Gil company appointed as Administrators and I'd like to know why, I'd like to know what experience they have, who their directors are and what links if any they have with the various presidents (presumably they have lobbied or presented themselves as a bone fide alternative to RPM).

Looking at Sergio's reply to PGM something is very badly wrong here and as owners we need to know what it is.

Hi Phil,

The email from Segio won't stop the speculation only add to it, particularly the bit about perhaps having to pay double.

That is not intended in any way, shape or form as a dig at you or Sergio BTW, I apprciate what you've done and are saying, but the only way the speculation will stop is when we get an official statement from the Presidents themselves giving us their side of the story and explaining the reasons why they unilaterally took this course of action in the first place.

Hi Jeb, I agree with you 100%

Dear All

We elected, or at least we had the opportunity to elect our presidents, we now have to trust in the abilities and skills partially those of Sergio in running our complex properly. It is true to say that it would be good to have a statement from our president on this issue but at present we don’t have a reliable way of him communicating to all, yes he could place a statement on this open forum and wash some more of our dirty washing in public but how many owners from the resort would that communicate with? And on an open forum he would have to be mindful of privacy and slander law. He could place a statement on the numerous other open public forums out their but still how would he know who he has communicated with. By doing this he would certainly help sully the resorts name which would be unjust and detrimental to us all. Or maybe he should send each one of us a personal email explaining the situation but he will not have a significant number of our email addresses. Which leaves him the option of writing to each and every one of us by post, but wear to, our apartment at Condado, when are we next out or our other home wherever that may be, using our money sending out explanation letters on every rumour and speculation that comes along. Yes it is clear that some fractions on the resort have an agenda of their own and it is also clear that our President is fully aware of what is going on, we should trust him and his team, who we voted in, to resolve this and other issues as they come along, if at the end of their 12 month term we are not happy with the actions they have taken then that is the time for us to act and vote someone else in or get directly voted in ourselves. People have been saying that we should give RPM chance to perform, I am saying we should give our president the opportunity to do his voluntary job without us bickering from the sidelines without knowing all the information, my main point are:

We should allow our Presidents to do their job with our support.

Until we have a secure private forum to communicate on and our president can post information on to keep us informed, we should be understanding of the problems of communicating with owners scattered all over the world.

Phil

Phil

I totally agree and will not post again on this subject.

However

The majorities concern is not what has happened but why and how certain individuals have thought they can take this action unilaterally.

We have put our trust in the Presidents,  I personally trust the guys I elected BUT what is to stop this happening again or even worse as I dont know the 99% of other Presidents from Adam.

As I said I will not post again on this matter as dirty washing etc etc are valid comments you make (and the reason why we should have a secure intranet, but that is for another day).

It is not just a matter for Sergio

It is a matter of Trust and for me this has been a big kick in the teeth.

I get the impression that there are certain persons intent on making life difficult for our president, could the group of people who would not identify themselfs back at the start of all the elections be the ones to be rocking the boat? as I have notice that there are people who narmally post on here are keeping there heads low and posting nothing. I am a very suspicious person and wouldn't trust my own granny and I do think some people have ther own interests at heart and i think this is the case here.  I too will be watching this thread with much interest and will be giving Sergio my 100% backing if he needs it.

Ali

anyone got Sergio's email address so that those of us that are interested could contact him to find out what the full story is ?

hi all haveunt bin on here for some time but can some one help pleaes whats all this stuff going on about the management

Hi Phil,

I agree with much of what you say, but I think your advice that we simply trust the Presidents to do what's best for us and don't question them on here is naive and misguided. Just because we voted for them, it doesn't absolve them from being asked to justify the decisions they're making on our behalf. I'd also question your use of the term 'bickering' to describe us discussing our legitimate concerns, but that's a minor point.

In the absence is any official means of communication people are going to use whatever method they can, and at the moment that's here and condadodealhamaservices. Until that changes we're just going to have to live with that.

I'm want to prejudge or cirticise the Presidents for their decision to dump RPM, they may well have had perfectly reasonable and ligitimate reasons for doing so, but we should be told.

So if any Jardin Presidents are reading this I'd ask them to answer the following as a matter of urgency.

- What are the reasons for dumping RPM?

- What are the reasons for choosing Antonio Gil?

- What is the Presidents response to RPM's claims that they did not have the authority to make this decision, and that it was possibly even illegal?

- Are they going ahead with the appointment of Antonio Gil following RPM's response?

- What level of commitment has been given to Antonio Gil, and will the residents be liable for this commitment if RPM continue to manage the Jardines?

I don't think any of these questions are unreasonable Phil.

Again, none of this should be taken as criticism of any President, in particular Sergio whoI think has done a great job until now.

We are in England right now, responding to the comments about Condadodealhamaservices.com

We have the forum for members only it is not public viewing and as far as I am aware everyone registered is an owner, we will look to see if there is a way to verify owners before they are allowed access. We have banned several people that have accessed the forum and are not related to the resort and myself, dan and Phil will continue to do our best to keep that part of the website, private and running well.

Our website is designed to bring attention to the resort, and we do our best to bring interesting information and represent all the good things we have going on. We do not ever wash our dirty laundry on the pages of the website. There is a lot of interest in Condado De Alhama, which can only be good for all owners. We offer free advertsing for properties on the site and try and bring you as much news as we can that is appropriate for public viewing.

We do not intend to ever bring advertisers to the forum we hope in the future that we will have commercial sponsers as setting up a website of this nature is not cheap and although we enjoy it very much... it does cost money.

Back to the forum, as we are not allowed access to everyones personal information we can not be 100% accurate on membership BUT we do know we check it often, and are not an OPEN public forum.

JILL

www.condadodealhamaservices.com

well said jill,

i think you's do a grand job, advertising or not.

anthony and andrea

Hi Terry & Jill

I hope I speak for the majority of those who use your forum, in that we find it a great source of information, and one you should  rightly be proud of and congradulated upon.

It is people like yourselves (Dan and Phil included), whose hard work and efforts, go a long way to make CDA the community that we all aspire it to be. 

I have nothing but praise for all you do, although watching you both on Condado TV downing G&T's on a lovely balmy Summer's evening does hack me off a little, as I look at the rain hitting my window, whilst looking forward to tackling the great British motorway network the following morning!

Once again folks, thanks for all you do, and keep up the good work

Steve and Sandy

Hear hear

Cherrie

Hi all

I think that Terry ,Jill and the gang have done a great job  with their web site and take on any suggestions to improve it even more.There is a catagory set up for each area/garden set up to make it easier to communicate with their neighbours but many people aren't taking advantage it. In some cases it can be seen that the president of that area posts regularly which I would hope would inspire all the presidents to do. There is also a sections called "Sergios Posts" on which he does update information. Just like to say thanks to all as its forums like this and the above have made things ten times easier when owning a property abroad.

Olga

Dear Terry /Jill  & All

Please let me clarify the point I am trying to make about sites I have called public open forums such as this and others including condadodealhamaservices.

Firstly with most if not all these sites all you need to provide to have full access is an email address and a password which is fine when you wish all who want to access to do so and for all normal use this is all that is needed.

However my point about having our own site which only owners on the resort can access is that gives us a private facility to discuss issues about our resort that we would prefer not discussed on a forum that almost anyone can assess. This particular thread for example.

A private site would also give our president the opportunity to post minutes of meeting which I haven’t seen any of so far which start to make me wonder if our presidents are being just as secretive as PW & RPM. It would also allow them and the owners to communicate suggestion and information on any subject without worrying if by asking or making a comment we are inadvertently damaging the reputation of our resort.

This forum and more recently condadodealhamaservices have been invaluable in helping us all communicate and share information with each other and I am grateful to both for that.

Your web site as has already been said a credit and an asset to us all and your time and effort in establishing this site commendable.

My suggestion was that we should now be thinking about having a site that owners can subscribe to which address the issues I have raised above and by providing their full contact details and once checked would be provided access to an area of a site that these issues cloud be raised in private.

There is no reason condadodealhamaservices web site couldn’t be the catalyst for this as long as you as the owners of this web site are willing to provide reasonable assurances to the community about the long term future. My reason for this suggestion is (and I am not suggesting you would) but once any such provision is established it would be disastrous if the owners of a privately owned site decided to change the agreement in such a way that would make it impossible or unrealistic for the community to continue having this site as its host.

Some possible advantages to having a private area to which owners are properly registered are:

Official document and information could be distributed with knowledge of who has received them

Minutes of meeting could be distributed

Delicate issues discussed

Budget & accounts information could be posted

Phil

Hi

I totally agree Jill & Terry have done a fantastic job with their website.  They are able to give us as a community more than this forum could ever do.  Love all the new things like the Condado tv (must admit not had a chance yet to participate) , love the videos photos and the calander thing where we get to know who's going out when!!   Keep the good work up and thanks to Dan and Phil oo!

But I do understand what you are trying to say Phil.  Funny enough I was on the Polaris Website a couple of days ago and went into my owners access area.  Still no change there!  

But what you are saying, just a thought maybe something could be changed in that area where rmp can report things to us, as only the owners can log into this. 

I wish we could leave this thread to the more juicy topic of 'change in Jardine mangement'.

Yes the website is brill but is of secondary importance to understanding if our presidents/community are now to be subject to legal action following a seemingly botched attmept to remove RPM !

Hi All

I also agree that Terry & Jill are doing a fantastic job with there web page. And living on site helps with the speed that they are able to update us with information.  Regards Pat & Jackie

I don't think anyone would disagree with the fact that Terry and Jill have done a great job with their site, but I do feel that our administrators should be providing an owners site, where as Phil has stated, official communication etc. could be posted.  I again refer to the La Torre site, which is run by their administrators, and includes all meeting minutes, president's updates, and even a list of all outstanding debtors.  It also has a facility to allow residents to officially raise questions which the administrators can handle or pass on to the relevent party.  Over time such a site should save the community money, avoiding posting out documents etc. and becoming an "official" source of information.

If we had such a site then most of this current thread would not exist (which is why these two issues have become tied together Jeb!).  The lack of such a site only helps to demonstrate (to me) that RPM are not doing a good job, their key role has to be communication with the owners, which in turn would help us avoid issues such as we have here.

On this specific issue, I would like to know the facts as much as anyone else.  I am in the Jardines, and whatever I feel about RPM, I have no intention of paying for an additional administrator, so whatever is done must be for the whole community!

Ted