Letter for administrators/legal reps

 Doh ?  Chrissie as usual you miss the point it is a Spanish proverb or saying and the equivelant in English obviously not a direct translation  .I do despair ,I think to have a translated version of the inform is far better than to ignore what is in it altogether  which is what you and your SARC cronies have chosen to do .

Here are a few more just for you Chrissie no point  running them through babel fish translate it doesn,t quite work that way but that is most likely lost on you .

 El que hace la paga

A los tontos no les dura el dinero.

Es como hablar a la pared.

Have you purchased any of the SARC merchandise yet Chrissie ?

JA

We were all idiots including you.

I would not say any one mixed up in this mess  were  "idiots".Victims may be but not idiots . It is hard to protect ones self from crooks and theives . It would however seem some were to trustung of SJ  for too long and still trust them , these people may well be idiots .

My situation is  just fine now thanks Chrissie but then I did not listen to SARC  .Good Luck.

My situation is also fine thanks JA because I am sensible.

Hi everyone still here!!!!!

Sorry i didnt post the details of the last letter, as i feared the administration in their remarkable arrogance have no interest in letters written in English, and no interest in giving advice about how to communicate with them when you are English.  You may think i have been on the retreat?   Not my style.

When giving out contracts the Spanish seem to be able to write them falsely and fraudulently in all languages, however when they have to face up to reality and fairness.........they seem to want to be as arrogant and unhelpfull as possible.........not surprising to me how about you?

I am now taking a direct overseeing route, having not had an acceptable response.  The Ombudsman is available now and next in line, due to the unfairness and non communication of the administration case handling.

I have the Ombudsman contact details, it seems they can accept complaints in English.  Also If their system is like ours and other countries, they do have a duty to investigate to a set timescale.  Anyone had experience of Ombudsman?  They are very good.

So thats my next move...........anyone interested in joining? 

Or are we all still happy to sit on hands or wait for the SARC results to come in, after the horse has bolted?

Brian

Hi Brian,

Count me in, I was looking into this route some time back, however, I seem to remember that they can't look at something already ongoing, but you may need to check this out.

Anyway, I think things are starting to come to a head with their property laws as they now realise they are in dire straits unless they start to change things. 

There is a vote taking place amongst the European Union in March on the report by Margarate Auken which reprimands the Spanish for their property laws.  The MEPs are also looking for the Spanish government to compensate those that have lost thier properties, perhaps they can include us too.

Steve.

 Already looked at both. The ombudsman will only defend the rights of Spanish citizens and not where a legal case is already in existence. My MEP and others have linked in well with margaret Aucken and has already rejected the spanish defence. They are asking for compensation but whether they will get is another matter

Count me in Also!!!

Hi

The ombudsman approach is going to be based on the failure in the service of the administration.  After writing to the administration and seeking to make or resolve a complaint, their service is not fair.  It excludes, by lack of communication, the bulk of the customers they are presiding over.  Their reply in my opinion was arrogant and i felt like they were having a laff to be honest.  They will play us around until we either lose patience or just give up.

The performance of this administration is falling short of the expected service we should receive from them.  The administration are too slow and are not able to accept letters from the people who are affected by their performance.  This means the service they provide isnt fit for the purpose it is trying to address.

We will not be asking the ombudsman to represent us in the return of money, we are asking them to investigate the poor performance of the concurso.  In this respect, there isnt a legal case ongoing by us..........just a complaint we wish to have investigated. 

If we are able to make transactions in Spain, we are covered by their trading standards and their complaints and support mechanisms.   The Ombudsman will help us access these mechanisms................i had to send the letters to get this far.

I have to include the ombudsman to get to the next stage..................all level of contact will be official requests.

Interested still?

Hi Brian, have to agree with your comments. How long are we expected to wait for the Administrators to complete thier task?  I think SJ/HdT hope we will all get fed up waiting and give up! Surely 10 months is long enough for the Administrators to get a handle on SJ/HdT`s finances, or has thier creative accountancy got the Administrators going round in circles? Cheers Joanniemac

 Brian I am still interested

I spent yesterday funnily enough ringing round many offices in Span. If you have had more luck then me then I am grateful and I am  most certainly in!

Hello all

Just been on to my solicitor re the delay, they replied the admistration report was issued but the findings have been challenged by the majority of solicitors, ours included and until this is resolved the 40 days to issue a proposal for the restructuring for the company cannot start, once this has been resolved they have as far as i believe only 40 days to issue a proposal if not straight into liquidation.

So still no idea really of how long this can go on for.

Any news from SARC re the proposed re financing of sadm, or the update from tomas?

Kind Regards

Mark & Jackie

Hi Glendale, The latest from SARC is just the same old comments, still trying to re-finance, no new information whatsoever. Its just dragging on and on with no end in sight. Thanks for posting your lawyers comments, at least it was a bit more information than many of us have received lately. Cheers Joanniemac

No problem

Still seems all of us none the wiser regarding how much longer, as for the refinancing i've just seen a pig fly past my window!

Mark

I've been in contact with my solicitor this week, to ask the $64,000 question - how much longer?

Basically, he says that we are waiting for the court date, so the judge can make his judgements.  The administrators do not answer our solicitors questions - the judge asks, so until we get a court date, we will be no further on

Tracey

Must be bored!

Been in contact with my eoro mp for the south east here is his reply;

Dear Mark
 
Thank you for your recent email, I have received literally hundreds of stories by people such as yourselves who have been affected by land irregularities in differing parts of Spain, especially the Valencian region. My Labour Colleague, Michael Cashman has been working on this issue for several years in his capacity as Vice Chair of the Petitions Committee.
 
If you have not done so already, I urge you to join one of the many associations which have been created on the ground to support citizens affected. The residents association in Catral (CACAU) can be contacted by email at residents.catral@gmail.com.
 
Also the AUN association have lots of helpful advice on their webpage www.abusos-no.org
 
If you wish, you may also like to consider submitting a petition to the European Parliament on the specifics of your case. For more details go to http://www.europarl.europa.eu/parliament/public/staticDisplay.do?id=49&language=en
 
You should also consider signing the petition on the website www.spanishpropertyscandalpetition.co.uk.
 
Finally you should try and seek independent legal advice. AUN may also be able to help you with this. I know that they are working with solicitors Irwin Mitchell to take some cases before the European Court of Human Rights.
 
Rest assured, I'm doing all I can to support people such as yourselves. I have discussed this issue with the UK Prime Minister and have spoken about the problems in Spain at a meeting of the Labour Party's Executive Committee. Unfortunately, I do not have a magic wand to solve these complex problems. Whilst at European Level we have limited powers, I hope that in conjunction with my colleagues both at European Level and national level we will be able to make the Spanish authorities right the wrongs which have occurred by making changes to the laws which put an end of the abuses. At the end of the day, it is they and they alone who can resolve this matter. Let's hope they realise this and rectify the problem sooner rather then later. Failing that, the courts will rule.
 
I wish you all the best in your endeavours.
 
Yours sincerely,

Peter Skinner MEP

Kind Regards

Mark
 

I am just back from Spain, i went to meet with my new lawyer who is on the list of lawyers at the British Consulate, although my almost completed property is at El pinet i asked her about jumilla, she has clients regarding Santa Anna

She said Horrada del Torro, jumilla finished, end of, no bank guarantee then little chance of ever recovering even a small amount of money if any and that the whole process could take 10 years plus

She said HDT are bankrupt, in my case she is unsure about San Jose and is now investigating if San jose are not bankrupt and are really able to continue and just as i thought my bank guarantee is useless. She said a few of the companies in the San jose group are bankrupt but hopefully not for El Pinet. In our case we have to wait for our property providing SJ don't go bankrupt this is the only chance for us, she said it's our house or nothing

I just wish i had met this lady 5 years ago, i would not be in this mess today

FAR

 far

I agree with your lawyer in my own personal views but we need to wait and see what the judge rules. there are assets there and it will depend on how owners are classified regarding their creditor status

bank guarantees are not useless. I am confident that those of us with bank guarantees will have our money returned in the near future.

I am also confident that owners without will be able to reclaim some of their deposits (and dependent on the judges ruling maybe all) I do agree it could take a time but that ten years is a bit of an exaggeration

If your bank guarantee is not out of date then it should be ok, other than that the chances of getting anything are very slim indeed and ten years plus IS likely if this mess ever gets sorted, sorry to burst your bubble. I know it is apparantly illegal to put dates on bank guarantees and a good lawyer will ensure that this does not happen but once it has it is a whole different ball game!

It is obvious that there is great difficulty financially getting El Pinet finished but hopefully it may still come good but i am so glad that i am no longer waiting for Albatera or ever contemplated buying at Jumilla

Oh let's not forget Dolores and all the people about to be sucked in to that one, another Albatera and Jumilla? Let's hope they have a good lawyer first, just like the UK, there are good and bad and there are some good ones thankfully.

FAR

So when did your bank guarantee expire Far ?