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06 Feb 2009 00:00 by widget Star rating. 23 forum posts Send private message

 

Dolores Golf Development approved without sufficient water resources

Posted on February 5, 2009 by Spanish Property News
Filed Under Costa Blanca, Developers spain, Water |

The Regional Government of Valencia – infamous for its “land grab” laws – has given the go-ahead for a golf development of 2,600 properties on a floodplain near Dolores, an inland town on the South Costa Blanca that has attracted foreign retirees.


Set to cover 160 hectares of traditional farm land with a golf course and thousands of houses, the development does not appear to have access to sufficient water resources under present circumstances, according to the local water board.

As a condition of receiving definitive planning permission, the developers of Dolores Golf have to get a positive report from the water board before they can start building.

Last year the Ministry of the Environment in Madrid took the Valencian Government to court to try and stop it giving Dolores Golf the go-ahead. The case is still in court.

The developer behind Dolores Golf, a company called San José Inversiones, filed for protection from its creditors last year. San Jose Inversiones is also the developer of the massive golf urbanisation Santa Ana del Monte Jumilla Golf (a.k.a. Jumilla Golf & Country Club), in Jumilla, Murcia.

Clients who have purchased property off-plan from San Jose Inversiones but do not yet have a home to show for it could lose some or all of their stage payments. San Jose Inversiones failed to provide many of its clients with bank guarantees, despite a legal obligation to do so.



 

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06 Feb 2009 08:23 by widget Star rating. 23 forum posts Send private message

I think you will find some of you"re money went on buying up this land.




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06 Feb 2009 08:58 by Chrissie1 Star rating in UK. 386 forum posts Send private message

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It just gets better all the time doesn't it ? Thanks for the information grrrr

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06 Feb 2009 09:16 by far Star rating in Dundrum, Co. Down. 169 forum posts Send private message

I heard a while back now that the president of San Jose was on television full of it about Dolores, it amazes me that they keep going from one place to another and not finishing anything! God help the poor British who have yet to log on to this site, know nothing about SJ and are about to pursue the Dolores DREAM with their hard earned cash!!

What a disgrace, you cannot buy a good reputation, SJ are pitiful, what have they ever done that they can be proud of, a disgrace and embarrasment to the good honest people of Spain

 

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06 Feb 2009 14:09 by malcolmandlinda Star rating in playa golf 1. 45 forum posts Send private message

Dolores (or Delores) is a given name, cognate with the English word "dolorous" (meaning sorrowful).

found this when i google "dolores" 


 



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06 Feb 2009 15:32 by martinbrothers Star rating in Worcestershire. 278 forum posts Send private message

My god they just get worse as time is allowing them to go on.  What say SARC to this??? Do you still trust them???

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07 Feb 2009 15:03 by briando55 Star rating in Yorkshire. 2004 forum posts Send private message

Thanks for that widget..........not sure wjhat to make of it, but from a positive spin, San Jose look to be preparing to carry on doing what they do best.............selling nothing for as much as they can get.

Which means they may have enough money to pay me back this year.

Its better placed than SADM and HdT......thats for sure.

My god what a mess this Spanish housing system is...........i think there is an opportunity for Twigitt to peddle his miserable sales tactics before long................i dont want anything to do with these cowboys and will tell everyone i come accross exactly the same advice.

Sal...you be carefull cos al that glitters

Tony and Brian mags..what does this Tomas guy have to say about this lot........or is he the office junior your dealing with these days



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07 Feb 2009 15:36 by widget Star rating. 23 forum posts Send private message

Briando, they may not have any money but they do have land..and lots of it, if they are forced to sell off their assets, you may be in with a chance to recover you"re money.




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07 Feb 2009 17:22 by martinbrothers Star rating in Worcestershire. 278 forum posts Send private message

I know Brian and im still in the court process as they owe me vast sums too.  I may have a deal with another Developer in progress but SJ and Hdt both have me listed as a creditor and will continue to do so.  I wont give up. Legals for me are still pretty certain of 'something' back 'eventually' as they can offer us no other promises.  The only thing in anyones favour is if the contract is with SJ.  HdT are dead and buried and so is Jumilia for many many years if ever .  No bank, current purchaser or supplier  surely would  ever dare dare trust them again.  Your hard work on that letter (which my guy has on file should I decide I want it sent) was very understanding of the tone and contents Brian. I still have to cross one t and dot an i, then I wil be proceeding to call an end to buying a house from crooks. 

I have noticed lately that some Agents are still  putting SADM on their web sites as a purchasing opportunity.  I have emailed at least four saying Im interested but how is the Administration process going.. not too surprisingly they dont reply.  That Twiget was a charade and a deceiptful rather despicable person. If my partner spent hours each night on the computer forum.. i'd know.. so im pretty sure his spouse likely was furious or giggly.  Unscrupolous and shamed in public forum will hopefully have seen the last. 

Tony I have no idea why youre not posting any more on the progress of SADM?  What are these people telling/advising you?

 

 



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07 Feb 2009 17:48 by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message

Hi All,

                   Just to keep you all up to date we have not posted much lately due to being busy with work commitments. Tony has tried to post to day but is having problems and as I can post it must be something wrong his end.

The news about delores sounds good we also have a few questions  about this developement such as who actually owns it is SJI or HDT are they HDT assets as it was part to the Golf route they had planned?

We are still working on various things and will ask HDT about it next week does anyone want questions asked at the same time if if so just email us at santaanadelmonte@hotmail.com and we oblige and give you their replies either via email if you wish it kept confidential or reply back here on eos if you wish either way is OK by us.

As for advertising of properties at SADM for sale,  according to the rules can can take details of interested parties but no money for deposits. so as long as they don't take money they can continue collect ptiential clients for the future?

 

brianmags

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07 Feb 2009 18:41 by widget Star rating. 23 forum posts Send private message

sorry but how can the news about Dolores sound good when the ministry of the enviroment want to stop it and the water authority admit there isnt enough water.......unless people are hoping that more unsuspecting investers sink hard earned money into a project that wont come off, in order to refloat jumilla golf.!!




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07 Feb 2009 20:09 by FriendinNeed Star rating. 789 forum posts Send private message

brianmags, so that's the reason we have not had to read such rubbish for a while. Thought there had been more factual postings on here.

"The news about delores sounds good" You are happy that the possibility exists that your money could have part funding either the land acquisition or development application are you?

"we also have a few questions  about this developement such as who actually owns it is SJI or HDT are they HDT assets as it was part to the Golf route they had planned?"  Haven't they made you aware yet?
The "Golf Route" yes another good idea which hasn't materialised, much like SADM.

"according to the rules" What and whose rules please and please provide documentation for reference and not just your friends told you.
Even if it is legal, you are happy for a company to market something that is not there and not available, even though you have experienced what you and others have?

You two haven't posted for a while, but it hasn't taken long for the usual rubbish from you.

If you are interested, I have a 5 bedroom, 4 bathroom villa for sale, with swimming pool, tennis court, private drive. Just 100.000 € Are you interested?

You've been caught once and you are just begging to be caught again.

Some never learn.
 



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07 Feb 2009 21:04 by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message

Hi FIN,

                  The good news is that the value of the land at delores will have increased because of the building licence.

 As for the rules FIN do what I did last year in june/ july look it up on le concurso it is out there they can continue under those rules to operate as a company under the administrators will you supply the info for a change No I don't believe so.

As for marketing they are still in business and not in liquidation so if they are to build they need to continue with marketing and those interested now are safe as no money will be transfered.

    Thanks for your offer but keep it I wouldn't trust some one who only has self interest with no regards to anyone else.

Brianmags

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07 Feb 2009 22:54 by briando55 Star rating in Yorkshire. 2004 forum posts Send private message

Hi Brian/Tony

Had to respond to the self-interest you mentioned.  Wanting the builder to get re-financed so you can get your house is the most selfish attitude on here, i dont understand your comment.

By wishing the builder to be funded, with a trck record of misery and failure to perfom, and opening up their methods of conning people out of more money, just so you can have a chance of your house, is selfish in the extreme.

Wanting to have the builder exposed and laid bare to face their responsibilities and possibly get wound up.............Now that is a brave selfless attitude



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07 Feb 2009 23:52 by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message

Hi Briando

     The comments were clearly aimed at the poster named I did ot see your name there so why gripe as for the builder getting wound up and liquidated that is of no benifit to anyone who does not have a BG as you know as they are definatley a minority this is selfish as they are gareuenteed their money in full. while the rest of us get the left overs.

brianmags

I want my house and for every one else to get what they realy want

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08 Feb 2009 00:18 by briando55 Star rating in Yorkshire. 2004 forum posts Send private message

Hi Brian

My comments are based on all the information to hand.  My name is all over this forum as well.........and will remain there

You have no idea if the builder being wound up is of no use to anyone, because you have no clear idea of what funds they have or what directors loans are in the company from the main holding company.  You have no idea what security the MD and the board have placed with their banks for any outstanding loans............put simply Brian, unless they are brought to properly face up to their own poor performance, they are laughing at their customers, while hiding behind the protection of the concurso. 

Face it Brian, they screwed up and they are desperate..........they have no other plan now than to hide........and that is exactly what they are doing, they are scared, potless, cowardly............and most importantly.very bad at what they are supposed to do..build and sell houses.................Brian...they were bad at it in the good times, when everyone wanted to buy houses, and they had lots of land..........they were bad at it then, they lost money and went into administration............at a time when they should have been making money and giving us some houses.  Any pennies dropping?

The nearest understanding of the way the 'rules' work as far as SARC are concerned was well shown by Tony last week when he shared his knowledge of the cafe owner in the Local press with us all.  Complete lack of knowledge of the subject, which not surprisingly  had no follow up.

We need them out of this concurso now, its serving no purpose other than to shield them from their responsibilities.  There is no finance, they have not been able to deliver on any promises, they have thousands upon thousands of contracts expired, they have not given BG's where they were legaly obliged to do so.

To wish them to stay in concurso, await finance that isnt there...and base that on not being selfish..........is being blind as well as selfish.  Probably stupid as well.

And to keep stamping your feet and saying i want my house............is childish



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08 Feb 2009 07:21 by kayem Star rating. 163 forum posts Send private message

Brian.

May i humbly take this opportunity to express my gratitude to you for not only your recent posting which i think are exceptionally good but for your consistant struggle to make sure facts and rationality are brought to the fore and also your stubborness to not tolerate any (for example) sarc b_ll_hit.

To assure my gratitude is genuine all i can do is pay you the ultimate compliment.

I always have been and always will be, but you make me even prouder to be a Yorkshireman.

Sincere regards.

Ken.

 




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08 Feb 2009 07:38 by martinbrothers Star rating in Worcestershire. 278 forum posts Send private message

I couldnt agree more Bri, just because I have nearly clawed myself out of this mess doesnt mean to say that I wholeheartedly hope they get wound up and those with BG's  you deserve ALL your money back, you have the paperwork and it is right that you have it. I have no jelousy in other people's good luck.  For those of us without, its not the fault of those with one, and they send as many good luck's to us to fight on. Anything salvaged would be a plus, but we will all battle for all of it. 

I dont know about others, but Im certainly going to use Brian's collective letter to it's full potential and make sure everyone considering purchasing on another Development from this company  knows what they are all about and what 'could' happen to them..  Its up to individual's  then if they choose to part with hard earned money. 

Can you imagine, 4/5 years ago, if we had all be warned about the potential losses and despicable way we have been conned and treated backed up by FACTS???  We would not have parted with a  penny, and probably all had our home/holiday home in Spain by now and a lot less wrinkles and furrows.  Or maybe even one or two laughter lines that would have been nice.

I find it shameful that this Company is allowed to continue trading and selling 'dreams' unlikely to be  fulfilled for the vast majority of it's past purchasers, should be exposed and sold off.  I hope most sincerely Tony that you and everyone get something back by continuing to support them and wishing for the miracle of re-finance. There is very little anyone can now say to you.

Sal



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08 Feb 2009 08:12 by FriendinNeed Star rating. 789 forum posts Send private message

"The good news is that the value of the land at delores will have increased because of the building licence."
Aren't you aware that despite have permisiion, sites throughout Spain are now only worth a fraction of what they were just 1 year ago. Don't be a fool all of the time, read fact and not what you want to believe.

"will you supply the info for a change No I don't believe so." I think that comment may be brodering on English, but as most of what you say make sense just to yourself.

"As for marketing they are still in business and not in liquidation" So you would be happy to reccommend to family or good friends to get involved?

"Thanks for your offer but keep it I wouldn't trust some one who only has self interest with no regards to anyone else." Are you talking about my offer, or many, many of the developers, who, in case you are aware, obviously not, are in it for themselves (to make money) and not the kindness of the hearts and the satisfaction of the customers. I have mentioned before, it is getting more understandable why you are in such a mess, when you believe it is me and not developers "who only has self interest ".
It may be that I only have self interest, but I have my money, what about you?


 



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08 Feb 2009 08:45 by kayem Star rating. 163 forum posts Send private message

OK Fin i get the message!

I think you're good too.

Hopefully humourously.

Ken.




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