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It seems we don't have long to wait to being legal. 

Es Posible !!!

I was talking to a Spanish person last night who is connected to Real Estate. He thought from the news he has heard La Reserva De Marbella will get provisional habitation licenses by September, this year that is!!!!

This message was last edited by grop on 7/26/2008.

Well
Hopefully good news
Other news I have received today is that due to low level rents here it attracting less desirable tentants and the police are in there most nights

Any confirmation on this as needs nipping in the bud if untrue.

Just Dan


This message was last edited by Just Dan on 7/28/2008.

Hola Dan & Grop nad anyone who might read this
Good news is always welcome, lets hope we that have been patient get a result. 
Perhaps there will be more information given out at the AGM

just dan 

just back from a delightfull two weeks in la reserva,   no police seen in that time,( dare i say another untrue story who starts this?)

the place is looking great. met many people in the large pool by block6/7 staying as guests. all say how quiet and fantastic the place is and they are booking for next year!!
lots of horror stories about other dvelopments we ARE quite lucky on having such a great development

there still seems to be a problem with dog crap, a walk around the ring road around the complex is quite disgusting, mostly around manzana 4. We did see one dog owner pick up their dog's po. please can someone bring this up at the AGM

despite all the doom and gloom merchants i think la reserva is looking good, the new restaurant is an asset. i did read that the provisional licenses would be made full by jan 09.  block 7 now seems more lively, its a shame more don't enjoy there appartment in spain.

i know we were all told a load of crap by a certain company we can't mention, but it is still a great place to be.

BEST WISHES to everyone in manzana 3, back to work on monday!!!!!

Hi
So glad you had a great time and brilliant to put the records straight..
Thanks

Just  Dan
Shame about the dog crap are they still barking

Yes Dan, they are still barking and because La Reserva is indeed starting to look very well we need to bring the dog barking etc up at all agm 's. I had thought the footpaths had been cleaned up together with the abandoned cars. La reserva could be a fine developement despite all bad stories but we also need our licence. It is all up to us and dogs barking night and day just simply has to stop, signs or handouts need to be sent to every owner. I know this has been done by other administration in other developements. Dog owners please dont get me wrong, nobody minds a dog barking as that is what they do but when you live in a garden apartment beside a dog in the garden next door that barks all day ............well then!!!

erin , we fully support you and are behind you. we would have been at the agm as they promised it last year to be at same time!! but as usual the date is kept secret and yes we were there last week. ( i agree la reserva is looking great)i have given a proxy vote but i still can't understand why the AGM is kept such a dark secret till the last minute and most people cabn't get to at short notice!!!!!!!!!!


This message was last edited by jamesyvonne on 8/4/2008.

Hi
Being a lover of dogs I would wish they are homed in a property thats suitable for its purpose.
They are are exercised and owners understand that pets should be welcomed  alongside responsible owners who understand and have respect for their fellow neighbours.
This is a matter that those owners who are ignorant to simple facts that effect the total harmony of a community often ruining the owners lives and enjoyment in there property and having a severe effect of its value must be brought to heed.
THIS IS BASIC GOOD MANNERS AND CONSIDERATION TO OTHERS.
If this matter cant be resolved at community level are there laws that we can address.


Just Dan

There was a old white bmw parked outside block one for quite a long time, a police notice appeared on it one day and I was pleased to see it had gone the next day. However my pleasure was short lived to find it had been moved to outside block 5.
The laws on removing private property are not the same as in UK. However as someone else mentioned in an other thread, with the high price of scrap metal it would be in the best interest of us all if a scrap dealer came and took the lot, before La Reserva looks like this.

In response to Aelred's comment, about abandoned cars, I ask the questions.  

Why do we have security guards, at the entrance to our complex?  What realy to they do there in thier little hut?

Do they monitor what comes in and what goes out.?  

Why are the barriers always up, ( waste of money putting them there in the first place if they don't use them) surely if they were down, the guards would have chance to monitor what was coming in and out?

I am sure no one would mind slowing down for a few seconds, so the guards and could take note and recognise you . When we have been there, they never seem to take note of who comes in and goes.  Their heads always seem to be face down.  

I realise that many apartments are holiday rentals and it may be impossible to keep tabs on every car, but I feel that if the barriers were down all the time, it may deter La Reserva becoming a scap yard.

they seem to be there to stop white vans and check trade vans. we had to fax permission from the uk to allow are furniture in . i agree they need to check more. We had a holiday in florida and had to show a pass to get throught the gate. it was more hands on security.    i gather the man in the both can't help if you need security at night they have to come up from elvira.


has the community charge gone up this year?

How right you are Pammie. I know of another developement where I have property and the security guard comes out of his box , takes down the reg no and time and when fully satisisfied he then lifts the barrier. Nobody but nobody gets in not even a taxi until the security guard is satisfied as to their business in the complex. THATS WHAT I CALL SECURITY. Remember the best security in the world can and has been bypassed, Its the deterrent effect and we need to show this. I think when this was brought up before someone said the place would be like a prison, not so I feel. It would look good for the whole developement. I have no problem been stoped everytime, its in my interest the place be kept secure.

maybe we should all email the administrator and president, there seems to be little hope of acheiveing anything at the agm

James/Yvonne that is exactly  what everyone should do, get in touch with Administrators about dog dirt/abandoned cars removal vans/security barriers just keep plugging away. I have it on good authority from Vice president Manzana 3 that AGM is not the forum for all of the complaints and what is going on.They need to know through out the year what is going on, not on one night at the AGM.So the more of you who get in touch, hopefully it will be be addressed.

As someone who sat through nearly 5 hours (7.30 -12.00) of the AGM and then left before the end I think the vote to put up fees was beaten and they remain the same. The proposed extension to Andys bar at the back overlooking valley was voted against because of noise carrying until late and as this is an urbanisation with residents most  have to go to work the next day.

The outstanding fees debt was discussed at great length and it seems a lot are going through the courts the downside is if the debtors live outside Spain it is difficult to enforce, but they have an Embargo law which means last resort the apt can be seized against the debt. It was pointed out that some of these debtors are merrily renting out their properties which seems ludicrous that they are making money but owe the Community money, the rentees in turn are using the fascilities i.e. pools etc.

It was  hard to make out what was going on half the time, as when we got the translation the Spanish residents continued to talk amongst themselves and we had to ask a couple of times for them to be asked to stop. At times it became so confusing with the language barrier and the way they vote that we did not know if we had voted for the right thing!  Also some of the Spanish residents were clearly so angry about certain points of the account budgets, that it became very volatile and again we British did not know what was going on although the translator tried his best, it got to the stage where he could not keep up.

I think we all got across the feeling that the AGM should be set, and as they said that they sometimes do not get everything in place i.e. accounts etc until end of June/early July I personally think that a date mid August would cover all eventualities, and enable all the principal people concerned to work around that date with their work committments. I will be emailing to suggest this and if you feel the same please add your comments. That way anyone interested to attend can book flights/holiday well ahead.

The turn out was not good which was worrying especially as there was the proposed extension of the bar at stake, but residents not in Bloque 6 and 7 would not be affected by noise levels I suppose. Also the Agenda did not come out until a week before meeting.

It was our first AGM,  holiday planned to try and catch it, and to be honest it was a bruising experience and I would think even more so for the Administrators who faced at lot of the time a barrage of anger.

Would we go again.........................? a year's a long time memories fade!!
 

email address for complaints/suggestions

escudero@escuderoadministraciones.es

WELCOME home to the wind and rain,

balzac i have a very long email on its way to the administrators, We went to an AGM in 2006. the brits walked out that time at about midnight. i had seriously lost the plot and really wondered whether it was worth it.  A community is a demoracy and this is our AGM.  1 weeks notice is not good enough when they know there are many foreign residents but may be they like it that way. The spanish i have meet are concerned that contracts for manzana 3 go to the extended friends and family of pennoyra and they could all be purchased cheaper. 

We do need the security to be more hands on, rather than the smile i get when we drive through.  When we stayed in Florida the security man came out to meet you, checked who you where. we had to be confirmed by the owner of the villa. It will be interesting to here the results of JUSTIN'S community comparison


best wishes     james/yvoone  see you in oct

There is rumour that la reserva may have licence next month. Does anyone know if this is fact. It is also said that a lot of work may commence to give marbella a big facelift and that this could be the ways back for Marbella in the property market while other areas in spain may not recover as quick. I wonder does anyone have figures for the oustanding community fees owed. I wonder if the administration have contact numbers and emails for apartment owners who live outside Spain. Sometimes it can happen that those people are very busy doing their own work and Spain is sometimes far from their minds. However if they are emailed every quatrer reminding them that their fees are due, I think most will see to it that they are paid. Its no good posting letters to empty apartments. I think its very important for Administrations to have an email for every owner for many reasons not just the collection of fees. Here also the Administration can mail items re barking dogs, unkept gardens, etc etc etc. How can any legal action be taken if they have no address for the owner other than their apartment in spain, and then they have no notice given to them of pending legal action and therefore cannot defend. Do they not need handed notice of Legal action. I also wonder (Im in a wondering mood) if residents are with holding fees due to something they are unhappy with and they feel that things are not been addressed. I personally feel lost at sea when it comes to information on La Reserva. In my other community the Administration emails me regular re matters in the community ie.Change of locks, maintenance work, community fees, agm reports, warnings to dog owners, information on any changes re rubbish collections and they name and i suppose shame outstanding property owners and they do get payment. I know everything that is going on but not so with La Reserva. Maybe the Administration need to be doing a little more work and collecting some information on the property owners phone nos or emails....a data base from where to work from and collect their fees. Lets face it la Reserva is I would think 80% unoccupied and some people may not have been to their apartment in 2 years. A lot were I would say were Investors.

Hi Erin

I agree with most of what you are saying, but you aske for figures about non payers, surely if the administration have your email they would have sent you a copy of the agenda for the meeting like they did to me. This has a list of all outstanding debts. When the minutes of the AGM come out you will see that action has been taken against many non payers.

There are very strong rumours about licencs but we will all have to wait untill we clutch them in our sweaty palms before we can be truly happy.

Regards

Jake

I have emailed Administrators requesting date for AGM set now for 2009 and suggesting mid August to enable all accounts etc to be in place so that there is plenty of time and no exuses for last minute date setting.
all we want is plenty of time in advance for meeting time & place, the Agenda + reports can be sent nearer the time.
Up to now I have had not had a reply so can I ask that anyone in the same mind please email them as well it can not be ignored if lots of people get in touch. I will wait until beg next week and if still no reply will email again,
Re licences I'm not sure we get individual licences I asked our Lawyer about this and was told there will be a list with La Reserva on it as having it's licence granted.

PAMMIE i liked your recipe idea will add one when there's time

we signed up for block 7 in June 06,we paid part of a quarter of community fees they have paid quartely ever since on direct debit. so we haven't had your problem.

we have been told they can chase people in Spain but foriegn owners are not chased up which could be a problem with la reserva as so many owners live outside spain!!!!

The office at the bottom of the hill told us in JULY that pennoyra has had to agree to sort out the wall around block 7 to get license but they were unsure whether it would be bricked up or painted, i assume the latter as it cost's less.

i agree we hear nothing all year then get 1 weeks notice of agm we can't attend due to lack of notice

an emailed newsletter quarterly would be great.

best wishes everyone from a very wet gloucester uk