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15 Dec 2007 1:27 PM by lweld Star rating. 26 forum posts Send private message

Delilah,

You are referring to events that happened in April of 07, we are in December, things have changed since then..If I recall well, you have posted on this forum along with Mlaw that you have cancelled and received your full refund with interest, yet both you and Mlaw seem to continue to be the most voiceful in your criticism and blame..I am starting to wonder what you are trying to achieve besides creating a wave of dissatisfaction and panic..

Lweld




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15 Dec 2007 1:46 PM by delilah Star rating. 21 forum posts Send private message

What has changed? Who has been given keys since April 07 ?

I am not trying to create any panic or dissatisfaction. Could I suggest that the developer and the various agents looked after that.

I was asked in some private messages to give advice and opinions. I say it as I see it.




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15 Dec 2007 1:53 PM by delilah Star rating. 21 forum posts Send private message

Iweld,

You obviously are far more tolerent and have far more patience than I have.

I really wish you the very best of luck with your apartment in arenal golf




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16 Dec 2007 2:14 AM by mlaw Star rating. 60 forum posts Send private message

Iweld

You have made no big discovery by " Recalling well "  I have pulled out of my purchase on Arenal.I clearly stated that a few emails ago.When I gave my reason for cancelling as failure to meet the build date plus lack of information forthcoming on any new date.At that time You came up with Speculating on Arenal. Now your down to woundering about my motives.So I will set your mind at ease.Pulling out of a contract is not Speculating or it is not in my case. Giving an opinion on this forum in the way I see things is my right as it is yours to give the opposite.But I am positive my few words on how I see things is not enought to panic the purchasers on this development no more than yours will smooth over all problems.




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16 Dec 2007 12:38 PM by lweld Star rating. 26 forum posts Send private message

Mlaw, the difference between you and me is that I still have a stake in the success of this development and you don't...so if this is now a "passe time" for you it is not for me and for those who care about their investment. People on this forum are looking for useful information and I have seen none coming from your side.




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16 Dec 2007 8:52 PM by mlaw Star rating. 60 forum posts Send private message

Iweld

Once again you are wrong.I also have an interest in Arenal.Our difference is we see things differenty.I happen to believe there is no need to take the nonsence that is going on and have not done so.We all have a bank guarantee for the very reason of a safeguard if  a builder fails to start or complete a complex in the time designated by him.I pulled out because I was asked to have my money up and ready to pay in Dec 2006. There is a cost to this as a lot of purchasers have found out to there cost..I was ready to move in in Jan 2007 having bought all furniture for the apartment on there advise.From then untill I executed my bank guarantees there was a complete lack of information as to how long it would take to finish my apartment.Since then there has been a down turn in the market.So advise forwarded by me is based on my very real bad experience.If you execute your bank guarantees the money is back in your pocket and you are now in the driving seat.Apartments are now selling for less than when we signed up.How is it a bad idea to pull out and go back and buy a finished apartment away from the building work and one you can move into in your time at a cheaper cost. One you can safely let out or use because you know it is finished and ready for occupancy if this is the reason you bought it..I have said on many emails I also believe this development will be very nice when completed.I do not happen to believe like you it is better to hang on in there and pay over the top when things are now in the buyers court. Purchasers on this forum have asked for comment on how others see things.My advise would not be as yours to hang on in there as complexes else where in the world are dearer and never will be. You will not single handedly save the complex by questioning my motives as you have no idea of my motives.So please go off and give your opinions on the complex as you see them not as  you think I should see them.




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17 Dec 2007 1:01 PM by OxfordBarney Star rating. 1 forum posts Send private message

Hello everyone!!

I feel that I might be able to humbly contribute by sharing my experience with the development Arenal Golf.  I understand the concern of everyone who has yet to complete due to the delays.  It is normal for there to be panic when one loses control over their investment, which is what has happened here.

If I may correct the view of one contributor below, the work stopped around April 2007 and re-commenced around September 2007 (plus or minus a few months due to the grey area of ramp down and ramp up).  This is a work stoppage of between five and eight months.  This stoppage was caused by the handover of ownership of the complex and the retention of a new constructor.  Given the difficulty of this task, five to eight months seems quite a short period of stoppage to me.   How did they agree the financial aspects and agree the handover to and advise the new constructor and train the new staff in such a short time?  I also undertand the concern about the lack of guidance being given concerning the new completion dates.  Please realize that this is surely caused by the simple and understandable fact that the developer does not know when completion will be since it depends on when the Town Hall issues the Licences.  The Town Hall is now being required to more strictly vet all applications for Certificates of Habitability due to the fraud in Marbella.  This makes me feel more secure that once the Licence is issued, it will not be burdened with legal uncertainty.  The developer cannot know when this will be since inspections are required before final approvals are given.  This allows issues like inadequate sewage capacity, etc. to be picked up and rectified before you are called upon to part with your money.  I wish I had had this certainty when I completed.  Please feel more secure in knowing that in future you can be comfortable that you will only be called upon to complete upon a legally clear development, and one which conforms to the original plans and habitability requirements.  The days of lax standards in the Spanish property market are over, and this will result in better quality, transparency, and reputation for future buyers.

We completed in July 2006 in Phase 2 at a time just before Cajasur took the development off of the hands of Rafael Gomez Sanchez, due to his financial problems that had been caused by his recent incarceration.  We did not have the luxury , as you now do, of knowing that the development would be rescued by Cajasur or that the Licence that would be issued would be correct and final, and void of legal uncertainties.  We completed, before having this valuable hindsight, knowing that the development was too big to be permitted to fail, that Benalmadena was not like fraudulent Marbella, and that the development would be one of the finest on the coast, being located a mere 12 minutes from the airport that serves the entire coast and which airport is being more than doubled in capacity by 2009.  We also completed because we knew that the high speed train link from Madrid (which we were aware would be completed before end 2007, as has proven to be the case) would allow direct connections from the rest of Spain via Malaga and then via the new coastal train expansion which may also include a station on our doorstep.  We also completed because we knew that looking back on this from five years out, the price that we were being called upon to pay would be proven to be absudly low.  We also completed because we knew that when the bougainvillea was growing all over the site, the golf course was completed, the vast infrastructure improvements were finalized, and the tourist intake on the coast was significantly increased due to the transport capacity improvements, we would be shooting ourselves for pulling out of this particular development.  We completed because we knew that the normal property cycle would wend its merry way as usual, and that supply would be over-reduced by the certain excessive slowdown in building that is now occurring and the definite pulling of thousands of illegal builds from the market, just as the wave of new tourists started to enjoy the new, comfortable, and efficient transport infrastructure and coastal entertainment improvements.  We also completed because we looked for alternatives, and couldn't find any that had the qualities and location of Arenal Golf.

In some ways this is like the stock market.  If you buy when everyone else is negative, and sell when everyone else is positive, you do quite well.  Our finest moments have been sipping wine and barbecuing on the balcony of our fabulous apartment at Arenal Golf, knowing that we relied on our initial judgment and made the hard decision to stick with it through the uncertainties .  This feeling awaits you if you can persist through these normal cycles of property values, doubt and questioning of decisions that accompany any financial investment.  Once you emerge from the other end with the keys in your hands, and view other people's experiences and potential alternative developments, you will realize that there was no other option.  With a medium-term view, and some much-needed patience, you will look back and wish you hadn't worried so much.

As another contributor so rightly said, it's in the developer's interest to complete as quickly as possible.  I'm sure they are not doing this on purpose just to annoy you.  At the very least they are going to be forced to do it right this time, and call you as quickly as they can.

OxfordBarney




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17 Dec 2007 1:31 PM by TheBantam Star rating. 107 forum posts Send private message

Hi OxfordBarney,

Thankyou for your accurate summary of the current situation. We agree with you 100%.

We look forward to drinking our wine on our own terrace on Phase 4. It's enjoyable enough doing it on our rented balcony on Phase 3!

Ken&Jenny




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18 Dec 2007 8:10 AM by simonj Star rating. 10 forum posts Send private message

Hi Oxford Barney

We agree whole heartedly with your thorough and accurate appraisal.  It is for the said same reasons that we too have decided to stick with the project. 

Ken and Jenny, we look forward to joining you for a glass of wine when we visit in April

Simon & Donna




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27 Feb 2008 11:34 PM by mlaw Star rating. 60 forum posts Send private message

I have being given advise to execute your bank guarantees and buy at a redused cost .This has been condemed by a number of buyers on phase 4 .By buyers saying stay with it everything will be great in the end.As I have said on many occassions I to believe this will be a nice complex eventually but I believed you could execute your bank guarantees due to the hold up and lack of information on this complex.

Phase 1 apartments where some of the dearest on the site because they are bigger than those on later stages

Today I read a  posting on the Arenal website by Ian Crowne who I believe is on the phase one comittee.Below is his posting not mine.Was my reasoning so wrong.


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Unread post Today at 10:54 AM #164

For the interest of all the owners that are trying to sell apartments on phase 1, I have secured deposits on three resales of two bedroom mid floor apartments ranging from €200,000 to €215,000, two were sold to Spanish and one to English.
I think that this is a sign of where the market is at now.




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27 Feb 2008 11:54 PM by mlaw Star rating. 60 forum posts Send private message

I to look forward to having a glass of wine on my balcony.In an apartment which is bigger and cheaper than the one on phase 4 which I originally signed up to in 2004. 

Mlaw




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28 Feb 2008 10:19 AM by neutral Star rating in Dublin/Benalmadena C.... 172 forum posts Send private message

I think a lot depends on why you bought the apartment in the first place,ours is on the ground floor and has more terrace space 86sqmts with a further 18sqmts covered over by the 1st floor balcony than the floor area of the apartment.I think it would be hard to find a similar property on phase 1 or 2.In saying that if you got fed up with the wait/delay on phase 4 and find a apartment which matches your needs on another phase for a cheaper price well then it could make sense to go for it.I think in a couple of years when all the construction is finished the prices will rise again providing all the facilities are installed as promised in Arenal  Golf.

Cheers,

Dave 




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28 Feb 2008 10:37 AM by TheBantam Star rating. 107 forum posts Send private message

 

Good luck to you Mlaw. I wish you well. If money and size are your only considerations then I'm sure you've done the right thing however as Neutral has said for some of us there are many more considerations.




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28 Feb 2008 7:28 PM by Pink Bubbles Star rating. 34 forum posts Send private message

I agree with Bantam and Neutral. I am overlooking the pool between phase 3 and 4 with also 87m2 of terracing on the ground floor. When enquired last year there was not an apartment available on the ground floor with large terracing for sale left anywhere on Phase 4. Take my chance.


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29 Feb 2008 2:16 PM by martin Star rating. 60 forum posts Send private message

Hi all, how would one go about changing now is it possable at this stage anyway ??if so what would be the cost ?does anyone feel the workmanship is better with the new builder now than the last one?


This message was last edited by martin on 2/29/2008.


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02 Mar 2008 5:25 PM by babe Star rating. 177 forum posts Send private message

AFTER VIEWING OUR APARTMENT LAST WEEK I WOULD SAY THE NEW BUILDERS HAVE  IMPROVED

 THEY HAVE REPAINTED INSIDE OUR APARTMENT AND REGROUTED BRICK WORK ON TERRACE THE CEMENT

OOZING FROM  THE FLOOR TILES ON TERRACE HAS   ALSO BEEN REMOVED

 ALL   PLASTERING      LUMPS IN WALL OF HALLWAY HAVE BEEN DEALT  WITH    IT ALL LOOKS FAB

DOORS   AND WINDOWS ALL WORKING AS THEY SHOULD

THE WHOLE APARTMENT HAS BEEN CLEANED AND ALSO THE COMUNAL ENTRANCE AND STAIR WAYS

CAR PARKING AREA ALL CLEAN WITH WORKING LIGHTS .

IT SEEM TO ME THEY HAVE CORRECTED ALL THE SLOPPY WORKMANSHIP THAT WE SAW ON OUR LAST VEIWING IN FEB 07




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02 Mar 2008 7:21 PM by neutral Star rating in Dublin/Benalmadena C.... 172 forum posts Send private message

Glad to hear the finishing of the apartments is good like many buyers on Arenal Golf my one fear was the builders would try and rush through the completion of phase 4 and leave us with a lot of snags etc.It 'll be interesting to see how long it takes for blocks 4/5 to get the habitation cert from the Town Council.All the best for your moving in on April Babe.

Cheers,

Dave.

  




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