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17 Mar 2009 8:28 AM by auntielinda Star rating in San Miguel de Salina.... 646 forum posts Send private message

What a load of  B...ocks where do you get the info



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17 Mar 2009 12:39 PM by HAWKINGS111 Star rating in Las Filipinas. Spain.... 290 forum posts Send private message

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Hi Linda.

Whats a load of  B...ocks? Arsenal DID win. Ha.Ha.Ha.

          Bob.



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17 Mar 2009 7:40 PM by Laird Dave of Lochaber Star rating in San Miguel De Salina.... 180 forum posts Send private message

Hi Bob

Hope all is well with the family bin in your apartment everything OK 3 men outside looking around !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! see you next week

Linda




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08 Apr 2009 2:55 PM by blaggy Star rating in Doncaster. 112 forum posts Send private message

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Has any one any news from the courts or San Jose the rip off merchants.



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09 Apr 2009 7:28 AM by auntielinda Star rating in San Miguel de Salina.... 646 forum posts Send private message

The creditors meetings are scheduled for May/June time as some folk had not confirmed their creditor status so it has been put back



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10 Apr 2009 7:18 PM by blaggy Star rating in Doncaster. 112 forum posts Send private message

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thanks very much



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11 Apr 2009 12:55 PM by irene1 Star rating in Bonnie Ayrshire. 19 forum posts Send private message

Is anyone aware of anybody who has received their money back yet?

 

Irene



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11 Apr 2009 2:47 PM by joanie666 Star rating. 231 forum posts Send private message

 I know of one couple but their court case began before herrada del tollo went into administration. oter than that I know of no-one. happy to be corrected though




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11 Apr 2009 3:20 PM by FriendinNeed Star rating. 789 forum posts Send private message

There have been a few.




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18 May 2009 9:45 PM by blaggy Star rating in Doncaster. 112 forum posts Send private message

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I WANT MY MONEY BACK

 

DOES ANY ONE ELSE WANT THERE MONEY BACK  ????????????



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19 May 2009 3:07 PM by joanniemac Star rating. 241 forum posts Send private message

Blaggy, You would be mad to want anything else!!!! Cheers Joanniemac




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19 May 2009 6:20 PM by FriendinNeed Star rating. 789 forum posts Send private message

Can we assume that blaggy is not one of the alleged growing members and supporters of SARC?




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19 May 2009 8:09 PM by MAGICMEG Star rating in Scotland. 546 forum posts Send private message

Blaggy , actually has a brain so he is definitely  not  a SARC member (SARC only have 2 members ,Tony and Brianmags aka the all singing all dancing  monkey ) . as far as we know  there are no other members and if there are they probably joined long ago to keep their options open before they decided to take the same legal  route as the rest of us .

Who are / is SARC ? it would appear to me they only have 2 members !!!!!!!  

Blaggy  is sane  , not barking mad like Tony . He can see SJ for what they are and is extremely angry at what they have done and the lies they have told him for years .

Oh dear !!!!   I think Tony may accuse Blaggy of being one of the following  -:  " trouble maker "  " usual suspect  "   " little band of doom "   " usual culprits "  or  "the stupid brigade"   unnecessarily  paying lawyers a fee when there is no need as  SJ are already looking after our interests !!!!!!!! Get real Tony !!!!!!!

All these accusations are sure to fly , just because Blaggy is smart and does not want to listen to any more of Almu's/SJ's lies and deceit  and has protected himself with a decent lawyer.

Welcome aboard Blaggy  unfortunately you may be  because of the   that SARC tell , all  their info comes direct from SJ  so who gives a shit  .  However Blaggy , you must try and stay even though you may feel  you must also try to use PM for info and  stay    on the open  forum as Tony tells SJ everything . He is a little  and should be  but he is not because he is   to the truth .Never mind welcome to our merry little band  and keep up the good   IAGTGMMBIIKM .


 



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06 Jun 2009 10:12 PM by blaggy Star rating in Doncaster. 112 forum posts Send private message

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Herrada del Tollo S.L 21 January 2009 – Case Update Update relating to the current situation of the developer Herrada del Tollo S.L. and the insolvency arrangement no. 275/2008 R. Further to our previous update we now take this opportunity to inform you of the following: As you will probably recall from our previous update, Lucas & Asociados was in the process of challenging some points of the administrators’ report by way of an "incidente concursal". This has now been carried out within the deadline provided by the administrators. The Court is now registering the petitions and once all the petitions have been registered in the Court's records, some dates will be set up for hearings with the Judge. Once all the "incidentes concursales" have been resolved, the Administrators will have to issue a proposal of arrangement to allow the company to continue to trade (provided that the developer's situation is viable). This proposal will be voted by all the creditors and will have to be approved by at least 50% of the creditors. The proposal will provide information on whether the Santa Ana del Monte development will continue or not and how and when the debts will be repaid. If on the other hand, the developer is not viable then the administrators will open the liquidation procedure which would imply the sale of the developer's assets in order to pay the creditors. As a summary, regardless on whether you have a bank guarantee or not, the next step is to wait until the Judge makes a decision on the points raised above. Once a decision has been made, we will revert to all of you and indicate the different paths for those with bank guarantees and those without. As usual, we will keep you informed as to any relevant progress in this procedure. Yours faithfully Antonio Guillen DWF LLP Manchester, 21 January 2009

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06 Jun 2009 10:20 PM by blaggy Star rating in Doncaster. 112 forum posts Send private message

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Tony Malpass, Brian and Mags Dornan arranged meetings with Herrada del Tollo director, Almudena
Rodriguez Gascon, two Administrators, Abraham Garcia Gascon and Jose Antonio Pascual Navarro,
their associates in the administration process and Francisco Abellan, The Mayor of Jumilla, his
Abogado and Planning associate.

 

These meetings were held over a 24 hour period and there were two main meetings.

 

The attendees for the Purchasers were Tony Malpass, Brian Dornan, David and Linda Needham.

 

I would like to make it clear at this point that we were there purely on a fact finding mission and at no
time were we asked whether we wanted our house or not. The dialogue was two way and Almudena
answered questions.

 

Almudena made the point that she and they as a company wanted a medium whereby the facts could be
relayed to clients without personal interpretation or distortion and felt that a Santa Ana del Monte
Residents committee (SARC) website would be a good way to undertake this customer relationship
exercise. She acknowledged that in the past they had fallen short of their own expectations and others
and fully intended to try to redress this situation as far as possible. She felt that Tony and Brian had
given the company this opportunity and had therefore decided to include them in the above mentioned
meetings.

 

 

Meeting 1. 8th July 2008 - 4.30pm - San Jose office - Orihuela -

Attendees - Almudena, Tony Malpass, Brian Dornan, David Needham, Linda Needham.

 

Almudena started by explaining why the administration process was necessary.

 

a. A bank had agreed a line of credit of 30 million Euros some time ago.

 A bank had a get out clause in the contract, which they initiated.

 Due to the timing, when H del T tried to get the funding from other banks, 4 in total, it was not
forthcoming.

 

b. The expropriation of the land was finalised and the payment was required in this respect. An
amount of 4.5 million Euros. In total 30 million Euros is required to complete the works already
initiated. This funding could not be raised without the banks charging what H de T considered to be
extortionate interest rates and infeasible guarantees.

 

c. At this point, as a company, it was felt that they needed the help of the court, judge and
administrators because they have assets but not cash flow. The new laws for companies who wanted to
avoid liquidation if at all possible were introduced in 2004.



 The administrators are there to help them find the funding for the project, to help in the
negotiations for funding, to help them manage their way out of this crisis and will be in situ for the
minimum of one year.

 

d. H de T have been approached by several investors and have several options open to them. The
administrators are helping them to study all the possibilities and are actively looking for a better
financial package.


 

Almudena explained here that once the expropriated land was paid for the land is fully urbanised and is
therefore extremely valuable. She also stated that there were 1600 families (as she called them) that
were affected and providing half stayed with the project it was still feasible. She said a fixed cost
contracts for materials are in place for 3 years. She said the Spanish creditors were not an issue that
they preferred inland locations and that there were 80 more purchasers placed on a list waiting to buy
at SADM.

 

e. All decisions and agreements with would be lenders or partners must be made and agreed by,
approximately, the end of October.

 

f. This is approximately, when the judge will make the decisions required and this is probably
when you will be given the opportunity to state whether you want to stay with the project or retreat.

 

 g. The continuation of purchase contract will be given with a new completion date and bank
guarantee as the Court will require it.

 

h. The administrators require sight of the documents from each client affected in order to ratify the
amount H dell T have stated are owed to creditors. Almudena had asked the administrators if copies
will do and they had said yes. If you do not get your documents or copies to the court within the stated
time it means that the court will accept that the amount stated by H del T is the correct amount of the
credit.

 

i. If the funding is agreed and the judge finds that H del T can proceed then there are two
scenarios with regard to timing for a completion of phase 1:


 1. House, Roads and 18 hole Golf Course . 12 months if they use all teams. 15 months if they
go step by step.

 2. Club house with bar and pro shop plus 25 commercial units that they will probably sell rather
than let out.

 

 The course designer assures H del Tollo that because most of the land clearance is finished that
this can be achieved. He said the time consuming part was constructing the greens but with modern
technology this is not insurmountable and can be achieved.

 

j. The bank account where depositors’ money is held is audited, as is the whole company as the
law requires. Audited accounts are in the public domain.

 The court administrators know where themoney is invested and it can all be accounted for.
Everything has been done legally and properly.


 Money has been spent, a figure of 12 million Euros was mentioned for a bank guarantee bond,
other expenses included:-

 Bank Guarantees to the Ayuntamiento

 Taxes

 Clearing land

 Purchasing land

 and other things and it is 100% clear where the money has been invested within on the project.

 

k. Moving deposit to another property was discussed and it was explained that this is possible but
problematical. Both sets of administrators have to agree and the deposit cannot be used to down
size to a property where the balance to pay does not cover the building costs. The
administrators of the key in hand properties are trying to maximise income for SJ.


 

 L. Regular communication and updates were requested to be supplied to SARC for placement on
the website for all purchasers to access. Brian, Tony and Almudena agreed to continue with the
dialogue.

 

9th July 2008 -12 Noon - Santa Ana del Monte Site office

 

All dialogue from this point on was spoken in Spanish with the exception of conversation between
ourselves. I therefore state that what is written below is our understanding to the best of our ability.

 

Introductions were made by Almudena to Court Administrators and their assistants/associates, Jose
Rodriguez Murcia, his son Damian and several associates including the company auditor. The group
made a brief inspection of the site and facilities and proceeded to the Jumilla Ayuntamiento.

 

Meeting 2. 9th July 2008 - 1.15

 

Francisco Abellan, Mayor of Jumilla, his planning, and legal representative were in attendance and
introductions were made all round the table. David spoke for us all. We were introduced as purchasers
who wished to be part of the process for information and support purposes..

 

Jose Rodriguez Murcia, explained briefly the predicament they found themselves in financially.

 

The Abraham Garcia Gascon for the Court Administrators, reiterated to the Mayor the issues San Jose
had and asked a number of questions relating to land acquisition, finance requirements and asked the
Ayuntamientos point of view.

 

I would mention here that Francisco Abellan is a lawyer by profession and was a judge.

 

He stated that he had always felt very positive about the development and had always had good
situations and good relationships with H del T.

 

He pointedly stressed that there was no problem with the water as Jumilla in the past had supplied
water to other regions and now those regions where reciprocating and agreements had been reached to
bring a pipeline directly into Jumilla, which would service the community for a good number of years.

 


He stated that the company H del T was clearly sincere but finance was necessary and he was under
increasing political pressure to grant licences to other companies. There were five in total at present
but none of these had golf courses or full licences. He had expected the SADM development to be far
more advanced at this time. He had required a golf course in order to monitor the growth in the town
and would then be in a position to grant other urbanisations in a timely fashion.

 

We did not ask any questions of the Administrators or the Mayor at this meeting, as it would not have
been appropriate. However, Tony and Brian asked David to give the mayor a gift of a T-shirt, which
he did. This made everyone laugh and all was concluded on a merry note.

 

This meeting concluded at around 2.15pm

 

As is normal in Spanish culture lunch followed.

 

Prior to leaving for the airport, Tony asked Almudena about time scales on the Villas. He was told that
building the villas is not as problematical as building the multiples. Almudena said she would inform
Tony of the schedule and that it would be possible to move to an earlier phase, as there would be
cancellations.

 

Most of the discussions around the table, following lunch, were in regard to the options available for
financing the project. These Almudena had discussed with us the previous day.

 

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Observations and comments

 

We attended these meeting to find out if the goal of wanting your property is achievable and to get the
facts directly rather than through the rumour factory. We believe that this is the first time that
purchasers have been able to participate in this type of process

 

After the meeting at the Town hall we presented letters, written in Spanish to the Mayor, Head of
Urbanisations and the Administrators from SARC members in support of SADM.

 

 

The information gained and the body language plus positive spoken support for SADM by all at the
Town Hall meeting was noted. We now believe that the current problem is the removal of the line of
credit by the bank and that there is a realistic time frame for the build once funding is sourced.

 

It has also become apparent that SADM is the only licensed development in Jumilla and if it does not
go ahead then other developers have more of a chance to get a licence for their developments. It is
therefore, possible that there could be some efforts being made to destabilise the purchasers, as there is
the potential for large profits to be made.

 

With regard to the time frames if the funding is sourced phase1 with its facilities should be completed
by either October or December 2009.

 

October is the date when all purchasers may have to decide whether to go through the courts to get
their money back, with an unknown time frame or continue with their purchase and have a new
completion date and a bank guarantee for their deposit.


 

 

All of this considered it is felt that the probability of SADM being built is very high and that for most
purchasers they could have their property next year.

 

In conclusion the probability of being able to have your house is considered to be high and please note
that we are a purchasers group trying to help purchasers and willingly share this information with all.

 

A..D.Malpass / B. Dornan

 

13/07/2008

 

 

 

 


 



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07 Jun 2009 10:40 AM by MAGICMEG Star rating in Scotland. 546 forum posts Send private message

Hi Blaggy what you have just posted is a SARC report which most of us have read and dismissed long ago as total SJ /HdT propaganda and lies only believable by the fools in SARC mainly Tony and Brian  . I am not sure what point you are trying to make by posting this drivel  again . You make  no comment and do not  make clear what this is ,where it came from or  that  it  is not even recent but old SARC drivel  none of which came to fruition .Perhaps this is your point ?

As  for the posting from Antonio any info from legal reps is appreciated when shared on the forum but there is no date , is this info recent  or old ?

I for one do not appreciate the total nonsense SARC put out as it comes directly from their friends at SJ and must be taken with a very large pinch of salt .Your posting of it on here with no explanation or intro is fool hardy and misleading .

Can we now take it you are  a SARC supporter  in which case anyone  on the forum  with a modicum of intelligence would be well advised to take what you say with a pinch of salt from now on . Please explain your posting Thank you MM

PS if you were just having a laugh ,please try to make it clearer  in future .We may  have  purchasers visiting the forum who do not already know the sorry tale of SARC .All should be waware of  the blind  trust and sympathies SARC  have for SJ/HdT as opposed to the people who  have  been cheated out of thier  hard earned cash  .


 



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07 Jun 2009 10:46 AM by joanie666 Star rating. 231 forum posts Send private message

 Paul

 

Was there a point in posting tony and Brian's postings other than to aptly demonstrate how they talk complete bol****s? By their post the first phase and the golf course should be ready by October/ december of this year! That's four months away. Do you guys know something that we dont such as a new technique in reducing the time taken to build housing, the time taken to seed a golf course?

Or more importantly...the customers needed to build facilities and the FINANCE needed to avoid liquidation and prison sentences.

If you do then you should not be working simply for the NHS as technologists you should be at least senior managers in the NHS if not more!!!!

 

 

 




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07 Jun 2009 8:49 PM by blaggy Star rating in Doncaster. 112 forum posts Send private message

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did not find it on the forum so i posted it just to show everyone it !!!!!!!  does that make sense ??????



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07 Jun 2009 9:06 PM by blaggy Star rating in Doncaster. 112 forum posts Send private message

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I can not believe there are people out there wanting to buy still. After all the hype and broken promises. Has anyone tried getting a mortgage or even any kind of a loan lately the banks have there purses well and truly zipped up "Nada Mass" the time has gone for easy money GET YOUR MONEY BACK

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07 Jun 2009 9:55 PM by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message

Dearest Blaggy,

                              here is the gospel

   if you have a BG then you can/will get your money back which will come from the BANK not the company if you do not have a BG which is the case for 90% of purchasers then the best option is for the build to continue no build no money. if build continues then you have achance but we do not know what % would be offered or lenght of timescale for this  returned of funds. so maybe now yo will see why so many people want their house it is their best option

Aleksandr simples

regards brianmags R4 556




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