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Hi all, can anyone enlighten me as to where the Dolores development is?
Is it El Pinet? 
Also what is the hold up with Albatera?
Thanks in advance

Hi Vicky,
I will ping an email and ask for some clarification as to the location and state of play with Delores plus what is going on with Albatera. No harm in helping  purchasers from other developments, infact it is the nieghbourly thing to do.

All the best
Tony R17 18 

I wouldn't be surprised to find it is Albatera as it is only a few kilometres from Dolores I assume you are asking after reading the article in the Leader today about San Jose

Hi Linda,
I spotted another Dolores further South, so I think we need to check up on that.

All the best
Tony

Hi All,
I have checked on google maps and there is a Dolores west of SJ airport plus there is a Los Dolores further south. I think ( and it hurts at this time of night) that Dolores and Albatera are not the same but 2 different developments and locations.
If you use the map and enter, Dolores, Murcia , Spain, you will find it.

All the best

I want my House
Tony R17 18

Tony

The Dolores you have pinpointed is close to  2 other golf courses Roda & La Serena mind you that means nowt all the 3 polaris Worlds are on the same stretch of road will be interested to know what SJ say

I think the Dolores that they the poster asked about is the one that is very near to El Pinet.  It is a village in its own right.  Apparently SJ bought lots of land there and were going to build another Santa Ana and Albatera kind of developement as in very big and to do with golf.   They published brochures a long while ago which showed a 'Ruta de Golf' and Dolores was marked along with some other sites where there is no showhomes just land.  I cannot remember the names.  I suppose you may want to think of it as a little bit like Polaris World.  With the way things are in Spain at the moment some people may feel that this land could have fallen in value from the heady heights it was valued at a long time ago.  There is much building going on around this area already for example in Almoradi and in Formentera del Segura but these do not involve golf courses.

I think the Dolores that they the poster asked about is the one that is very near to El Pinet.  It is a village in its own right.  Apparently SJ bought lots of land there and were going to build another Santa Ana and Albatera kind of developement as in very big and to do with golf.   They published brochures a long while ago which showed a 'Ruta de Golf' and Dolores was marked along with some other sites where there is no showhomes just land.  I cannot remember the names.  I suppose you may want to think of it as a little bit like Polaris World.  With the way things are in Spain at the moment some people may feel that this land could have fallen in value from the heady heights it was valued at a long time ago.  There is much building going on around this area already for example in Almoradi and in Formentera del Segura but these do not involve golf courses.

Hi Tony
Thanks for the replies.
I am a purchaser at SADM and a SARC member and i have seen the latest report.
Wthout giving too much info on the report(as it is not my place to do so)both Delores and Albatera and the whole Ruta Del Golf have been mentioned.
We have all heard of this grand plan of San Joses' to create this route/collection of golf resorts including Playa Golf, SADM, El Pinet etc.
Now i know the situation with SADM and El Pinet and that there are other develpments(Cieza,Calaspara ) that have not yet been released for sale (if they ever will be is anyones guess, SJ probably do not even own the land yet!!!!) and that Playa Golf 1 and 2 are completed and Playa golf 3 is awaiting completion
A lot is written about Albatera not being expected to be built, the question i am asking is why? Is it down to licences again or  have SJ got those already in place?
Also Dolores Golf is mentioned ( this is the Dolores near La Marina and Guadamar) but i have no idea what stage this development is at either?
I was just hoping someone may be able to clarify what stage the other developments are at?
I just want to be able to see the whole scale of this and then i can evaluate the likelyhood of SADM being built.
Vic

Hi Vic,

I will ping off an email to Almudena and ask about Delores etc on the route del golf, i did not push on those whilst there as i was getting members questions answered and an update on the refinancing.

As soon as i get the reply i will post it up here and ping you a PM.

All the best

Tony.

The Dolores you mention is a small town near Almoradi/ Catral, i know because i live there. No work has started yet, SJ  have indeed bought lots of land here with a few to a very large golf complex (2,6000) houses, 18 hole golf course.,hotel etc. Some of the people who have sold land are still waiting for the last of their payments, so are now in the queue along with many others trying to get the money thats owed them.The situation for others here is that should SJ get there act together, their houses are due for demolition to make way for infrastructure etc.Not only will they have no home but will have to pay for the demolition and also be charged an ammount for the infrastructure charges, some as much as 150,0000 e another side to San Jose that not everyone hears about. San Jose are very well known for their land grab escapades.Be very careful if accepting property on Dolores Golf, it will probably not happen and if it does it will be a long way off .Last i heard was SJ were furiously trying to sell off land already bought in Dolores to pay off their other debts. Hope this helps.

Sounds awful widget.

So the difference between the current occupants of the land and the future buyers of the land is....................

On the one hand the people are caught up in the corrupt Spanish building industry, on the other hand the people are caught up in the corrupt Spanish building industry.  Guess what....so am i.

How long ago did the land get purchased do you have any ideas widget?

Brian

Tony

While your at it can you 'ping' an e mail off to almudena and ask what San Jose's business plan is to satisfy their customers, subject to a satisfactory bill of health from the administration.

It must be apparant to you and Brian now at this advanced stage that the development you have an interest in is completely linked to all other work they will be doing in other regions.

The finance package they secure has to stretch a long long way, dont you agree.

Brian

Dolores golf has been in the pipeline for at least the last 4 years, land started to be sold off about 18months / 2 years ago. Although the plan has been passed by Valencia (eventually) Dolores still is waiting for the water report. It is actually not sustainable , this region is in the middle of the worst drought for 50 years, but the water report will give the go ahead for the developement, they always do. The developement may well be started, the homes demolished, wether it is finished will be another matter, Albertera, El pinet, just 2 to mention.It is not true that the "slump" is on the coastal regions only. and that inland everything is booming, people (british) are not buying. Builders are going under daily it is very grim here at the moment. Expats that can afford to are returning to the UK free healthcare for under 65"s has stopped, if you are non resident and opened a bank account with just a passport and no .N I E number or non resident form bank accounts are being embargoed ie no direct debits are payed no withdrawals etc. Sorry to be such a doom merchant but these are the facts.San Jose are not to be trusted, be very careful, they are in a bad way at the moment and desperate to regain their credability and need financial backing wether they get it from the banks your guess is as good as mine.

As a post script to my last post i thought this may interest you. I have read the report on the SARC website, and when the major said that water was not a problem he was deceiving the public. The water situation in that part of Murcia is dire, it relys on water transfers from the river Tajo and this is getting more and more precarious. Murcia is 520m above sea level so unable to raise water from coastal desalination plants.Jumilla needs a valid water report from CH segura.See recent report from Expo Zaragoza i am unable to give web address as i havent made 10 posts to this site. Another thing for golf owners to consider is the knock on effect from the European Water Framework Directive comming into force proper in Dec 2009, making users pay the real cost of water.This could make owning a golf property untenable and unsaleable. They say that knowledge is power i hope that this helps you to fight your corner with more strength. All the Best..........

Hi Widget
       just to remind you and everyone else that the golf courses at SADM are public golf courses not private and everyone seems to convieniently forget this or is the Mayor wrong here as well. I do know that I would  rather believe the towns Mayor on both the water situation and golf course or ar you saying he is no truthfull.
brianmags 
R4 556

Widget, by the time you make the tenth post, you will realise that anyone who states facts (from reports), states the obvious and apparent, tends to be shot down on here. You must learn to praise the developer SJ, the developments at SADM and everything else related to it. 
Some on here will appreciate your comments and guidance, but many tend not to respond.
Regarding the SADM development, of course the golf will not be affected. The Mayor and developments will allow gigantic hose pipes to run direct from their homes.
One should realise that such reports of doom, exclude the SADM development, where everything is perfect and above rules and regulations.
Just a pity is is not going ahead at the moment.

Always believe a developer and a Mayor. Don't all realise that both are the most truthfull and honourable?
Has anyone ever heard of developers and Mayors doing anything not 100%?
Oh, yes, better give a hint (Marbella).


This message was last edited by FriendinNeed on 8/16/2008.

What i am saying is the Mayor is a politician,take that as you will !!!!!

Widget,

Thank you for your input here as it only serves to compound what many of us have thought and known for some time.  Factual information allows us to make informed choices.

Brianmags, 
Your comments are quite disturbing and your eagerness to portray the Major as being saintly have to be questioned.   I'm beginning to wonder about your comments and your actions, something doesn't sit right with me.  I don't  like to judge people by simple forum writings and  you and Tony always come across as friendly and have taken critisism well,  but  some of the things you say on here.... wow....

You have to start to look at both sides and see what people are saying.  Even if you are right that getting your house will be quicker than getting your money, do you really want to throw more money into the coffers of a thief and a liar. 

As for Mayors across Spain, you only have to look at how many are now behind bars for their truthful activities.

By all means 'want your house' but for goodness sake (not my normal words, but for the sake of etiquette) don't believe everything you hear from these people. 

Best regards to all,

Steve.

Hi  Steve,
                  I never said he was a saint just that he has made public statements about water supply for Jumilla in the press so why would I disbelieve him on that as it would also effect the town and as I said the golf courses are public ones there the residents wont be paying hugh sums for the upkeep of said courses the notice and licences for the golf courses are public record. 

I understand what you are saying about other Mayors and agree that you have a point but in this instance he has a proven track record I don't tar everyone with same brush there are good people in Spain as well I am fairly good at judging people when i meet them and I have met him and he is very astute and seems to Hounerable, we also seem to forget what this developent means to the town itself they want and need it  to attact busness and income to grow.

Yes of course there two side to everything but lets face it until the judge makes his pronouncement either good or bad I will continue to fight for the developement and my house as I have previously said 1st choice house if that can't be got the the money but if it goes that way I will loose out and peoberly not see a full return of funds and then when? that is the other question. As they have little cash and I along with all those without BGs are second last in order and classified as ordinary creditors remeber staff courts first, banks next, then goverment and then little old us.   

Yes I want my house but also whish everybodys get what the want but realistically if it doesn't go ahead then we may not get what we want house or the return of money in full. Lets see what September brings us

best wishes to all  
brianmags R4 556