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04 Apr 2010 00:00 by meijoo Star rating in La Azohia, Cartagena.... 36 posts Send private message

In Valencia your certificate of ocupacion is valid for 5 years after which you have to apply for the Segunda Ocupacion. In Barcelona, it is renewable after 15 years. In Zaragoza the process alters slightly whereby 2 certificates of occupation are needed.  Many solicitors and architects are advertising to get these certificates or you at a price of anything between 75 to >150 euros.

I was trying to find the valid dates for the regions of Andalucia and Murcia without much success however, I have requested more information from the relevant council offices for clarity on the matter.  If anyone else has information regarding the Segunda Ocupacion I would like to hear from them. 

This has come as a surprise to me as I was under the impression that once you get the Certificate of Ocupacion it is for the duration of the build unless you change the use, add square meters or alter your build/property in any shape or form. 

 



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04 Apr 2010 19:45 by Marksfish Star rating in Sandy, Bedfordshire/.... 2413 posts Send private message

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  Didn't know anything about this either. Will be watching this thread with interest.

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05 Apr 2010 07:39 by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 8057 posts Send private message

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Segunda ocupación license is required in those cases where the "use" ( residential, commercial,  tourism, education...) has changed or works have been carried out which have altered the configuration of the same or the intensity of such uses.

 

 



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05 Apr 2010 10:40 by claire T Star rating in Torremendo, Orihuela. 699 posts Send private message

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Hi Maria - if the initial Habitation Licence has been lost do you apply for a copy of this or do they issue a Segundan ocupacion licence?



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05 Apr 2010 12:00 by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 8057 posts Send private message

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Copy.



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05 Apr 2010 12:56 by Jontymellor Star rating in Warrington & Cabo R.... 132 posts Send private message

Our president in our urbanisation has arranged to get copies through the adminestrators and the local town hall.

It is a licence of first ocupancy, I'm told by my solicitor, which is needed to arrange services, so unless you change the use, some properties, where I first looked only had holiday status, 11months of the year residency, so change of status would need a new request.

Again my lawyer, informed me some time ago this would need drawings etc, and would cost around 2500e

 

 



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05 Apr 2010 12:56 by Jontymellor Star rating in Warrington & Cabo R.... 132 posts Send private message

Our president in our urbanisation has arranged to get copies through the adminestrators and the local town hall.

It is a licence of first ocupancy, I'm told by my solicitor, which is needed to arrange services, so unless you change the use, some properties, where I first looked only had holiday status, 11months of the year residency, so change of status would need a new request.

Again my lawyer, informed me some time ago this would need drawings etc, and would cost around 2500e

 

 



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06 Apr 2010 11:26 by meijoo Star rating in La Azohia, Cartagena.... 36 posts Send private message

Below is a confirmation that the cedula-habitabilidad is valid for 15 years for the Catalunya region only. I am hoping to get more information for the other regions.
 
RE: Renewal of Cedula de Habitabilidad 5 or 15 years‏
From: Cédula de Habitabilidad (informacion@cedula-habitabilidad.com.es)
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:01:28 AM
To: Meijoo

Good Morning,

The Cédula is valid for 15 years, in Cataluña.

Regards,

Garbiñe Muñoz Santos

Arquitecto Técnico

GMS Arquitectura | Cédulas de Habitabilidad

Rambla Catalunya, 60 Atico 2ª A

08007 - Barcelona

Tel. 93 304 34 40


informacion@cedula-habitabilidad.com.es
www.cedula-habitabilidad.com.es 



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07 Apr 2010 11:12 by meijoo Star rating in La Azohia, Cartagena.... 36 posts Send private message

Apparantly, the law regarding the renewal of the LFO is determined at local and regional levels.  As far as I know Catalunya is 15 years, Valencia is 5 years, Andalucia has not (yet) stipulated. I have no information with regards to other regions.  

If you have more information please share it with us.  Your local planning office may have the information. 

The implication for not having a current  occupation (habitation) license (first or second) is the ability to legally live in or occupy your house. In view of the current climate of demolition of declared illegal houses here in spain, it is advisable to ensure that all paper work are up to date and in accordance with the current requirements of the law.  

We can only do our best to protect our interest and that of others. Kind regards. 



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08 Apr 2010 23:02 by Jontymellor Star rating in Warrington & Cabo R.... 132 posts Send private message

My lawyer just told me 10years Alicanti



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09 Apr 2010 00:14 by jamesyvonne Star rating. 190 posts Send private message

does anyone know when Marbella is going to start handing the licences now the pgou is approved, or indeed will we ever see a form with a legal stamp on it





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02 May 2010 15:23 by cazb Star rating. 47 posts Send private message

Hi

Does anyone know if the license has to be renewed every time there is a change of ownership ?

 

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02 May 2010 18:54 by morerosado Star rating in Guardamar del Segura.... 7681 posts Send private message

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Hi jontymellor, I was told it was FIVE YEARS in Valencian community. I was following a discussion in the La Marina forum some time ago as our friends needed to get a new one in order to sell their over 5 yr old apartment in our area. Barclays in La Marina were posting info too.



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02 May 2010 23:20 by Karensun Star rating in Orihuela Costa. 1744 posts Send private message

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Here the Habitation Cert lasts 5 years.

An owner sold her apartment recently ( apartments about 7 yrs old ) and she was told by her Lawyer she could not sell without a new cert. This cost her 450€.

We had never heard of this before and several owners have recently sold without having to have this cert.

We recently bought ( not an apartment ) and the property is 20 odd years old so the cert would have run out and no one mentioned having another one and the notary did not mention it.



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03 May 2010 02:19 by foxbat Star rating in Granada. 1120 posts Send private message

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Here in Granada Province, at least in my little corner of it, the LFO is open ended subject to no change in form or use.

Mine was issued within four hours of producing an Architects Certicate of Completion of Obras.

No Town Hall fees were payable for the issue of the Licence.

Looks like Valencia is living up to its reputation again...450 bucks...you gotta be joking

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03 May 2010 08:30 by LEEANNE Star rating. 9 posts Send private message

Sounds more like the solicitor made a 'few' extra euros for his services in obtaining the habitation renewel. I used to live & work in Alicante region  (estate agents - also offering this service for only 50 euros - the fee to any town hall should be minimal). 

There used to be people offering services for changing cars to Spanish reg etc for 800€ - it should only cost about 100€!

I have also been quoted about 400 euros myself  by a private company for land registry titling of property which the notary / myself etc would both do for 0!

Be careful. Be vigilant, & always get another quote!





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03 May 2010 09:36 by claire T Star rating in Torremendo, Orihuela. 699 posts Send private message

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We recently obtained a Second certificate of habitation for a client - it cost us nothing to get (just a trip to the town hall and a bit of a queue) and we charged nothing for getting it. 

The property was 5 years old and the certificate should last 10 years in Torrevieja but, as the first one was lost, they gave us a second one, rather than a copy of the first.  Confused - I am!!  The seller's lawyer offered to get it but said it would take a month and the client wanted to complete quickly, so the town hall issued a receipt for the application and the Notary accepted this on the day.

As for older buildings, I was told that the scheme only came in about 10 years ago so anything older than that will not have a certificate - or need one.  However, I am learning fast that rules change depending on who you are talking to so there is never a definative answer to anything! 



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