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19 Mar 2007 12:00 AM by Ian and Margaret Star rating. 76 forum posts Send private message

Hi,

I have read on another thread that community charges may be in the region of 400 to 500 euros. I'm suprised that this figure has been reached when we don't know how big or small the community will be. We don't yet know what expenses the community will have, ie. street lighting , street cleaning, community pool maintenance, insurance etc.

At Pinada golf where we own at present, the build was on 2 phases, thus we now have 2 communities each having their own pool. On my community we have 238 properties and we pay 220 euros per annum. This covers the above expenses and probably more. The council pay for street lighting and cleaning in ther main roads but the smaller roads in the community are paid for by the community.

I think our communities will be set up as each phase is completed otherwise we could be waiting years to have it in place which I don't think is acceptable to Spanish legislation. If anyone knows more on the subject, I'm sure we would all be keen to hear it.

Ian



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19 Mar 2007 1:05 PM by janelouisestockdale Star rating in Norfolk. 16 forum posts Send private message

I will be surprised if the Community Charge is as much as 500 Euros.  When we purchased in October 2005 we were told they would be in the region of 200 to 300 euros. 

Jane Stockdale

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19 Mar 2007 6:18 PM by jaqib Star rating. 81 forum posts Send private message

Nothing surprises me when it comes to this developement.

And if pablo (unofficially) says communial charges will be around 500 euros expect the worst!!



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20 Mar 2007 6:33 AM by taxiparrots Star rating in Deepest Suffolk. 149 forum posts Send private message

So what ! its still better than having to pay the  £200 a month for living here in the UK

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20 Mar 2007 9:39 AM by auntielinda Star rating in San Miguel de Salina.... 646 forum posts Send private message

Think Ian is right on this one can't see SJ waiting for 7 years more, for thier money,

if it happened at Pinada which was built by SJ (i think)there is a good chance we will be simular

as we won't be paying for TV licences and every other stealth tax.  I for one don't mind 500 euros a year it is a fraction of my UK

costs.

My Thouhgt for the day

"Who cares really let's all get away from this taxed to the hilt country"

GAL


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20 Mar 2007 4:22 PM by janelouisestockdale Star rating in Norfolk. 16 forum posts Send private message

Unfortunately we will not be living at Santa Ana initially so we will have to pay the community charge there and all our council taxes etc in the UK.  I agree that 500 euros would be a very satisfactory amount to pay, but not if you have to pay £1350 council tax as well!!!!

 

Jane Stockdale

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26 Mar 2007 12:57 AM by Ian and Margaret Star rating. 76 forum posts Send private message

Took this off a website as it gives a very clear explanation of the community charge system.

What is a comunidad de propietarios?

Properties located in a development, popularly known as “urbanisations” in Spain; usually share communal facilities such as gardens, and services such as those of a maintenance person. All new urbanisations are the responsibility of the promoter or builder until they are all completed and sold. The responsibility is then handed to the comunidad de propietarios (the community of property owners) which you automatically join when you buy your property in Spain. Spanish law gives legal status to this community so that it can regulate the joint ownership of common property e.g. gardens, pools etc

Once you have completed on your property, you are notified and invited to attend a meeting to formally hand over the responsibility of general upkeep of the collective properties to a newly formed community of owners. Amongst the owners, someone must be elected as President and another as Vice President. An administrator is also elected, although for the first year it is normal practice to use the administrator put in place by the developer. The administrator and the committee members sort out the day to-day business of the community and call meetings when matters arise. The committee is annually elected. They hold yearly meetings during which a budget is approved by the Owners covering the expenses for the year. This budget is then divided between owners depending on the percentage contribution for each property as set out in the title deeds.

In some urbanisations where there are a mixture of houses and apartments, the apartment owners tend to pay a higher community fee than the house owners. In the urbanisation where we live owners of a two bedroom first floor apartment pay 170 euros per quarter, whereas the owners of a three-bed roomed town house pay just 55 euros per quarter. This is surprising, but you must consider that the area around apartments incur more expenses e.g. stairwell cleaning and lighting, lift maintenance, garage cleaning and maintenance etc. There are numerous factors which determine the cost of community fees including:

The number of apartments that share a block.
The more there are, the more there are to share the cost
The position. The higher you go the more you pay and you may also be charged more for enjoying a view!
The total number of properties in an urbanisation. The size of a development (total area).
In some rather unfair cases where a development consists of many phases, owners of completed phases may be expected to temporarily subsidise the community fees of the uncompleted phases. This is because the green areas, the pools etc which are intended for the entire use of the development still need to be maintained. We heard of a case in Marbella, where the owners of the completed phase are paying one thousand euros per month community charges. The construction of the other phases hasn’t yet started so it is likely that they will continue to pay this for the next few years! Seems very unfair really.

The percentage of the budget that each property pays is set in the Title Deeds (escritura) as this is determined by the developer. The Community fees are normally paid quarterly or half-yearly depending on the Community. Expenses vary according to services required and include salaries and social security for those employed by the community (gardeners, pool attendants, hall porters etc), repairs, electricity for the lighting of common areas, administration fees.

Every owner must pay their community fees on the date set by the members at the Annual General Meeting. If any of the members fail to pay the community fees, the President or the Administrator may claim the debt, previous authorisation of the community members, in the Court of First Instance from the city where the block of flats is located, and even have the property sold at auction to recover unpaid charges.

The Town Hall will also make a charge for the Rubbish collection (Basura) from your property or development. This can be charged annually or quarterly depending on the Municipality in which you are purchasing the property. In certain cases, this may be included in your community fees.

In certain municipalities, there is an annual charge for the Recycling Tax (Tratamiento de Residuos). This covers the recycling of waste from the numerous glass, paper, and battery banks that are distributed throughout the area. Again in some cases, this may be included within the Community fee.

Most properties have electricity and water meters and you will be charged according to the amount of each consumed. Some communities will only have one meter for the whole development and therefore include the water in the Community Fees.


Regards Ian


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28 Mar 2007 9:15 PM by Linda Needham Star rating in Jumilla,Spain. 302 forum posts Send private message

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Thanks for this info Ian

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