Clover Estates / Procoal

This is a thread  for Santa Maria Green Hills.

Yes it is and you were told by Justin not once but twice not to post on here because of your posts . 

 

Tish

The lawyer you seem to rubbish is a respected advisor to the forums,and one editor and advises on a case by case basis through me.

Forum members will confirm that they have nothing but praise after using their services.

Yes I was involved in Spanish property market and no I am not involved in the estate agency market in the U.K

Yes I did complete on an apartment on Green Hills as it was the best option for me , END OF

Those that do not wish to complete also have the same option, END OF

Why it concerns a few that  have nothing to do with this development is simply beyond me and other owners.WHATS CONCERNS THESE FEW HAVE WITH REGARDS TO IF, WHY,WHEN,,PEOPLE COMPLETE OR NOT.( sureley with respect this is our business ,our solicitors advise us what the options are and then its up to each to do whats right for US

THIS IS OUR PROPERTIES,.OUR DEVELOPMENTS,OUR DEPOSITS. Now if you feel I offened you then perhaps it best you do not read or respond  to my postings .

The illegal build with no licence will soon have this sorted and as mentioned I am in the position of being able to get legal and up to date information as I am an owner and fortunate enough to have daily contact a very good solicitor in Marbella.

I am sorry if you object to correcting incorrect information regarding a development where I have a property to the benefit of its owners.pending owners and those that wish to consider walk away but quite simply thats tough

Dan

This message was last edited by Just Dan on 1/28/2008.

This message was last edited by Just Dan on 1/28/2008.

The lawyer you seem to rubbish is a respected advisor to the forums,one editor and advises on a case by case basis.

What is the name of this Lawyer? Maria de Castro?

I am not involved in the estate agency market in the U.K

That is not what I said.  I did not say you were involved in the UK market.

Tish

I cant believe I an replying to this which have no benefit whatsoevr to Santa Maria,its residences or those that have tangible interests there.

Your post 28th January 2008 11.16 am  Quote " But then you are an ex CDS estate agent and CURRENTLY THE SAME IN THE U.K"  rather like the person I am supposed to be this is now getting tiresome and I am doing my best not to be off hand.

Now I have posted both the benefits and negatives involved in the completing or not completing in a property purchase,and there this will now end as I have no intention of  continueing this fruitless path any further.

That was the question that Elixir wanted information and confirmation to her own correct opinions,

To risk that matter going further I trust you will understand that my time ,my solicitors time and efforts are better directed at those that need both legal advice and personal experience to enable them to make informed decisions based on facts and not personal opinions

I will not reply further on any matter other than those that have a direct  interest in Santa Maria Green Hills.(

Dan

 

Now you know just how I feel!!! You butted in when I asked Elixir  a perfectly legitimate question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This message was last edited by Tish on 1/28/2008.

Clever move Jim!! I see you have got the team to remove all your edit notices. Seven on one post. You ridicule me, wait for my response then go back and change your original foul mouthing. You have to be the lowest of the low. You are a very sick man.

 

Tish or who ever you are  My team ?

I would never ever be foul mouthed  to a lady  or gent for that matter and my postings are as original.

Now I am not sure what your problem is but it appears that me as a person has replaced the obsession you appear to have with Santa Maria Green Hills

I would be grateful if you would reply to me direct anymore in this tone or I will have no option than to bring it to the Editors notice.

I have nothing to shy away or be ashamed of in my postings and invite anyone to judge for themselves;( iwill delete all postings if you wish me to  as it appears that if they dont agree with your you then there seems to be a problem

While you may not agree with me and you appear now to even try to rubbish my solicitor for not agreeing with you then with respect I would very much just like to say farewell to you.

I  repeat that this is a thread for Santa Maria Green Hills ?

Dan

This message was last edited by Just Dan on 1/30/2008.

I will continue to post  on this forum since I was the one that instigated it and have a very keen interest as to the outcome of this development as have all the people that I am in regular UP TO DATE contact with.

 

Excellent 

As information.past present and future on Santa Maria Green Hills would I assume be gratefully received.

I too post on other threads if I feel that I have up to date infornation from my days in the  Spanish  real estate market..

As the editor points out this month in is report there is so much gloom at the moment and along side his excellent 10 reasons to buy many will have to accept that property is more than a short term financial gain.

Hoping for some positive news soon on the legals so it will leave everyone in a postion to make up their own minds ( out again to meet the legal guys and gals)and will post all the news I can on this.

Would be great if some of the active group ? which I assume is against this development could join in the thread as this very much is their business.

Dan

Dont think I have made and spelling mistakes to edit.iwill leave it if I have.

 

Dan

 

 

 

Well hopefully this is correct.

Debbie from Santa Maria Village has just posted the their development in the same valley have received their licence.

Dan

Our Lawyer told us that  it was granted to SMV over lunch last September! I posted about it at the time. Just goes to show how long it takes to actually get issued. GH and Los Lagos are a totally different situation. They have very different issues.

 

Hi Tish

Yes I am aware that Green Hills is a different issue as I own a property there ,thanks anyway (just take a wee bit longer thats all)

Just checked the postings on the Santa Maria Village Site and the information that you had then is totally different different from what you posted in Nov ?

 

Did you not post 20.11.07

Debbie, you stated:

the office have also advised that if you go in and see them they can show it to you as long as you are an owner.

If the LFO is in place then why is it the lawyers don't have copies to show their clients as is their right.?

 

Think you may find out that my solicitor confirmed the situation she had at hand at that point of time

Dan

This message was last edited by Just Dan on 1/31/2008.

Hi Dan

Thank you for that , as you are aware we do not post  untruths and I don´t think it is acceptable that someone who doesn´t live have any interest in the area to question the postings of those who do have an interest.

Anyone can question what I post if they have a genuine interest in an urbanisation  because they NEED to know the truth be it good or bad, I find it strange that someone feels the need to constantly put urbanisations down when they have nothing to do with any of them.

We as do yourself always try to be as honest as possible when posting and will always endevour to help people who need it whether this involves trying to get their money back, selling or completing. I do not believe that this website was set up for people to constantly put developments down but to offer honest information as you along with countless others do.
DebbieP

Debbie, you are entitled to your opinion as is everyone, myself included.  Unfortunately you appear to have been drawn into  Jim's mindset. You even sound like him!    I do not see anywhere in the rules that you can only post if you are an owner.   Jim does not own Green Hills or this forum. 

As an example, Justin is campaigning for the Priors , yet he does not live in Vera, has no house that is being threatened with demolition, but he is doing all he can to help them get justice. When I started the posts on the GH forum, I waited quite a while for others to join. Then the case began to snowball. The people from the upper level were in the minority, but we were all fighting the same company. Most of us from the upper level won our fight, but that left many who were and are still  trying to get there deposits back from either the Bank or developer. As  myself and another lady fronted this group, there is no way we would walk away from them. We still support them. We  are always in contact. We are hoping for another group meeting this year with our lawyer.  It is called commitment. Now it may not suit Jims plan to get the whole development lived in and for the life of me I cannot understand why he has this obsession with me, but he does.  The reason I respond to his posts is because he is often slanderous.  However, he cannot prevent the wheels turning away from these forums, and turn they will.

It is because of Jim that none of the people in our GH group will post here. It is a shame because they are a very active group and well informed. They will not post on another forum for the same reason.  I wish they would then at least they could verify  that what I have said is factual!!

Jim, there is a difference between a license being granted verbally  and being issued. Until you have that ( elusive to GH) piece of paper in your hand, you have nothing.

 Hi

That makes 2 OWNERS who have agreed with the postings I have made with a clear difinition that its up to each indivual as to whether they complete or not complete as its clearly a case by case basis.

It is said now that you sound like me  

Thats probably becuase your property owner on a development with a brain of her own and decides whats right for her and posts up to date true up to date information.

THE ACTIVE GROUP ? do not post because of me  Do this 40+ have a computer as I can supply them with the same information that resulted in two couples completing when they were given both sides of if the situation to make an informed decision.

Justin is active in the overall interest that the Proirs faced and we all support these actions .Justin would probably not be interested in an individual development that he had no tangible interest in.(think he and the rest of us have better things to do and he looks at the bigger picture)

 

 

Dan

 

 

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This message was last edited by Just Dan on 2/1/2008.

 

Tish

Exellent .

Thank you for pointing this out as some of the residents ,future residence and those that have to use their own brain will need to be aware of this and they had better contact their solicitors for confirmation.

Advice is of course  " DO NOT COMPLETE WITHOUT THE OCCUPANCY LICENCE ."  Then go to plan B

As you say without the paperwork I have nothing . Well the Priors had the paperwork  that you keep on about and they really have nothing.

Also

QUOTED THIS WEEK Typically Spanish

Even today they are still talking about knocking down homes which obtained their construction licence, have their mortgage, and are registered at the notary, how would anybody dare to buy a house?’,

"If even today they are still talking about knocking down homes which obtained their construction licence, have their mortgage, and are registered at the notary, how would anybody dare to buy a house?"

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Yer  bit of paper appears pretty useless and if this goes on mortgages in Spain wont be possible as they would stop lending then we would all have nothing.

Well that is if your not involved in a property in Spain

Dan 

This message was last edited by Just Dan on 2/1/2008.

This message was last edited by mr.c on 2/5/2008.

Thank you Mr C for your comments.

We have clients on Santa Maria Greenhills and therefore take an interest so we are able to update them on what is going on, we have also spoken to many people who have put a deposit down but do not want to complete just yet or at all.

As stated I believe that good and bad news/information should be posted just not the continual bickering which puts people off reading the postings as the original message/query disappears into a barrage of unrelated messages.

Debbiep