Beach Club at Roda

Hi Difi,

Fully understand your gripes, as I fully understand that many of us differ in what exactly we want from CG&CC

All I've actually said is that I'm certain Calidona did not set out initially to lie and swindle people by not providing the advertised amenities (will they, wont they, I don't know but I do believe they will try). As for some of the things said by a certain company's sales reps, well you could always take them with a pinch of salt but then being in double glazing I knew that from the beginning.

As for Corvera holding onto a chunk of your money, are you sure that's how it works? I was always led to believe that the deposit money was paid into a bank (ie why you have bank guarantees) the sum of which allowed the developer to borrow funds against  it for building purposes. That also explained why it was sometimes so hard to get your guarantee cashed by the bank should the developer not actually go bust which allows the bank to claim against their own insurance indemnity should they have one. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong?

Steve,

Just a quick question , which comment did you take with a pinch of salt??  was it the hotel, the clubhouse, the gym, the indoor swimming pool, the commercial centre, the shops, the restaurants ,?? was it all of these or just the word country club? 

Apart from these what else could you take with a pinch of salt? Fish and chips?

DAVE,

 Paulvito

I'm having a very sensible and civilized debate with Steve................is that ok ??

Dave

PS We might be neighbours !!

Hi Dave

It´s fine for me.... but btu this is a forum for members so anyone can give his opinion  and that is what I did: I agree with Steve and Jane. Is that ok? I also don´t understand why some people that have not completed and have no interest whatsoever in completing spend so many time in this forum for community members . BTW ..never said you were one!! ... but most a lot of poeple who do not want ot complete cause they are not going to get a great return as they planned are using this forum in their interest an In my opinion this is just a forum for members of a community to talk about our issues, pools ,gardens , parties....etc

 Paulvito,

This is a forum hence Dave has every right to be within it! As for people who have bought on site only having access what utter nonsense.

Dave, like countless others has laid down a large amount of money for a property on Corvera, he has every right to be here and express comment, views and opinions.

Behave.

Adsy

paulvito....

WRONG!

This forum is for whoever wants to be on here...i dont agree with you or steve and jane...is that o.k ? cos if not then it shouldnt be called a forum.

Plenty of people on here are either owners or are people entering into legal action against the developer, and everyone has a right to voice their opinion. I may not agree with Steve but i respect his opinion. We are not living in China so i will continue to post about what ever and to whomever i like.

If a potential buyer came on here and just read one side of the story they might think Corvera was paraidse in Spain!! Maybe one day it will be but thats a big f-ing maybe!

now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

laters

Spanhod(Dave)

I tend to take most things with a pinch of salt and have done for years (probably helps to keep to specs a little rose-tinted). I think that so many people have selected hearing that FIVE-STAR HOTEL, SPA, SHOPPING CENTRE is all that stands out in their memory; the comment I remember most is the sentences that contained those words usually started with "The plan is"!

Nice one steve .....Silly me!

i guess when i saw the pictures of the resort and especially as they named it a country club i kind of thought that i wouldnt just get an apartment with a golf course and nothing else!  Is that what you expected? if so i think you might have overpaid !

Not what I expected Dave but the essentials for my demands (apart from the clubhouse). I never saw any ACTUAL pictures in the brochure of the ACTUAL hotel& Spa or the ACTUAL shops or even the ACTUAL Golf Course for that matter, just representations of what it could look like. One thing I've never done though I expect you may have is ask for my money back at MacDonalds when the big Mac turns out to be a soggy burger instead of the beautiful cullinary delight that they show on the pictures behind the counter.LOL!

I love a bit of banter!

You are correct i am quite a demanding consumer.. When i buy something whether its for 1 pound or 1 million pounds it had better be as described or i will not buy it. If my Big Mac turned out to be a chicken mcnugget i wouldnt be a happy bunny. I guess i (like many people) just dont like being mugged off . Case in point, our good friends at Calidona have not delivered to me what i paid for with all its bells and whistles so why the hell am i going to pay them?

i wont bore you further, but you get my gist!

Regards

Dave

Hello fellow travellers,

If I took with a pinch of salt those services advertised/described by word of mouth from Corvera/Calidonas reps and repeated, in my case, by MRIs reps, what I would in fact be doing is saying that I do not necessarily believe what I am being told. I am skeptical that what is being said is actually true or will materialise. The above is a logical stance and in any business dealings oral promises must be of peripheral importance. If they were an integral component in a companies package, then they would be in their published material. Therefore, the bedrock  for a decision to puchase anything of substance, is the PUBLISHED material promoting the product. If the brochure said that the car you were thinking of purchasing had a CD player one would expect it to exist. If the literature for the house you were interested in said it had three bedrooms one would expect them to exist. The above is not news to anyone. It is not a revelation. People are frequently subject to those expectations and decisions. Purchasing at Corvera was exactly the same. I read the brochures and believed that what was described would be provided.

But what I did not know when making my decision to purhase was that  Corvera/Calidona had a business plan that  was flawed.

The basis of their plan was the fundamental need for purchases to be achieved in order to facilitate the funding of construction for further phases/amenities etc.

It is at this point that disagree with those Corvera/Calidona apologists.  For that plan could easily have failed without a recession. The market could have found the Corvera concept unattractive and therefore units would not have sold in sufficient quantities to enable further construction. There are various scenarios were Corvera/Calidona would have failed with their flawed business plan never mind in a  recession. Unfortunately I am a victim of their business plan. And what people must realise is it is their business that is failing. It is their business that is not withstanding the recession.

I paid a premium rate and fully understood that  I was paying way above the market rate for a similar villa elsewhere. But I was paying the extra for the extras. 296000 euros for a nice villa (no more), on a golfcorse, with an unfinished Clubhouse is all Corvera/Calidonas business plan has achieved. They ought to be ashamed. And those people who sate their own misgivings by blaming a recession and none completers are deluding themselves.

Nobody is blaming the situation solely on the recession, as nobody is blaming the situation solely on non-completers however some are trying to blame the situation solely on the developer. Yes, with hindsight I'm sure the developer would have had a different business plan and perhaps it was Calidona's failing in thinking that sales would continue and revenue would flow in as did Polaris World along with many Spanish firms and most of the developers in the UK. It has all synchronised to give us the situation as it stands. As such some want their money back (and probably wish they had bought key ready on a finished developement and not off-plan because they didn't fully understand the risks), others however are willing to make the most of and try to improve their situation as the urbanisation develops albeit slower than originally planned. Such is life.

And all because someone posted an innocent question about the Roda Beach club...

Business Plans are developed not with hindsight but with foresight!

Regards, Frank

So are property purchases??????

PS Sorry Carrington you're right this thread is meant to be about a Beach Club somewhere.

leaving all the other issues of facalaties aside ...... you would have thought the developer would have realised that  a golf course that is to be open to the public would require a clubhouse especially  considering  the location ??  one would have assumed the building of the clubhouse would not be reliant on people buying residential units .... ... not a great golfer but never come acrosss a course without a clubhouse ..... perhaps calidona know something the golfing world dont ?

Hello Searay,

Spot on. That highlights the calibre of their Business Plan. Which in essensce is;

1) The package we will advertise in the market  encompasses A1, A2, A3, B, C and D. This will  be for public consumption.

2) We will advertise A1, A2 and A3 prices above market levels as they will pay for B, C and D. This will be for public  consumption.

3) We will advertise the yearly quarters in which A1, A2, A3, B, C and D will be built. This will be for public consumption.

4) What will not be for  public consumption is that in actuality when A1 is sold, we will provide B. When A2 is sold we will provide C. When A3 is sold we will provide D.

Line 4 is the important one! If the objective of selling A1 is achieved, then B will be in construction. If A2 is not sold then C and D will never be constructed. For their business plan to be successful it had to implicitly conform to their publicly advertised steps 1, 2 and 3 above and therefore line 4 would never have to be mentioned because, ipso facto, A1 to D would have been constructed.

This is were their lying by ommission becomes apparent, because line 4 has had to be publicly acknowledged. In my opinion their childish Business Plan is revealed as a scam.

Regards, Frank

This message was last edited by shannon on 05/09/2010.

So the beach club that this thread is supposed to be about must be "D" ?

Bit of a lazy post that one Steve, especially as you have been one of the more active contributors on this thread not discussing the beach club.

Good post Frank, i think it sums it up nicely.. i wonder what Olazabal thinks about his "Championship" course not having a clubhouse?... in the pictures of him visiting the site a couple of years ago i can see a guy talking to him and pointing off into the distance.... i can imagine he was saying something along the lines of " yes sir the clubhouse will be just over there on the hill to the left of the Devere hotel and to the right of the commercial centre, but only if we sell phases 3 and 4!"...

'Mucho Disappointo!!!"

 Nice postings Shannon and Spanhod.

When Corvera said the Clubhouse wouldn't be available straight away they said we could use Roda's Beach Club freely and they'd run transport down to the boat.

twofish

Afternoon All,

Just thought I would update you seeing as it was me who started this whole thing off by asking about the beach club!

I have been in contact with Roda and Corvera who have informed me that the beach club at Roda is exclusive to the residents of Roda. With that said I have just spoken with my most recent guest at Roda ( they returned 3 days ago) who informed me that the beach club is no longer exclusive to Roda residents and their guests, in fact the general public are more than welcome as long as they pay for the sunbeds and towels!!!!!!

Hmmmmm I can't help thinking someone has been telling me a few pork pies!!!!!

My last guest also added that the beach club standards have slipped some what with a dirty beach, over priced food and drink and very dirty changing rooms!!!!