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POLL: Was Europe better off before the single currency came in?
Thursday, January 3, 2013 @ 4:45 PM

 

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I have been giving this some thought and trying to remember how life was before the Euro came in and how astute the UK was in not joining the Euro, well it appears that way now anyway. And it poses the question, was it really the best thing for Europe? or is it now a big problem that can't be put in reverse? Please cast your vote and leave a comment!

Here I have posted some  of the advantages and disadvantages that were being weighed up before the Euro was launched....

Advantages:

1. A single currency should end currency instability in the participating countries (by irrevocably fixing exchange rates) and reduce it outside them. Because the Euro would have the enhanced credibility of being used in a large currency zone, it would be more stable against speculation than individual currencies are now. An end to internal currency instability and a reduction of external currency instability would enable exporters to project future markets with greater certainty. This will unleash a greater potential for growth.

2. Consumers would not have to change money when travelling and would encounter less red tape when transferring large sums of money across borders. It was estimated that a traveller visiting all twelve member states of the (then) EC would lose 40% of the value of his money in transaction charges alone. Once in a lifetime a family might make one large purchase or transaction across a European border such as buying a holiday home or a piece of furniture. A single currency would help that transaction pass smoothly.

3. Likewise, businesses would no longer have to pay hedging costs which they do today in order to insure themselves against the threat of currency fluctuations. Businesses, involved in commercial transactions in different member states, would no longer have to face administrative costs of accounting for the changes of currencies, plus the time involved. It is estimated that the currency cost of exports to small companies is 10 times the cost to the multi-nationals, who offset sales against purchases and can command the best rates.

4. A single currency should result in lower interest rates as all European countries would be locking into German monetary credibility. The stability pact (the main points of which were agreed at the Dublin summit of European heads of state or government in December 1996) will force EU countries into a system of fiscal responsibility which will enhance the Euro's international credibility. This should lead to more investment, more jobs and lower mortgages.

Disadvantages:

1. Fifteen separate countries with widely differing economic performances and different languages have never before attempted to form a monetary union. It works in the United States because the labour market is mobile, helped by the common language and portability of pensions etc. across a large geographical area. Language in Europe is a huge barrier to labour force mobility. This may lead to pockets of deeply depressed areas in which people cannot find work and areas where the economy flourishes and wages increase. While the cohesion funds attempt to address this, there are still great differences across the EU in economic performance.

2. If governments were obliged through a stability pact to keep to the Maastricht criteria for perpetuity, no matter what their individual economic circumstances dictate, some countries may find that they are unable to combat recession by loosening their fiscal stance. They would be unable to devalue to boost exports, to borrow more to boost job creation or cut taxes when they see fit because of the public deficit criterion. In the United States, Texas could not avoid a recession in the wake of the 1986 oil price fall, whereas demand for Sterling changed in the light of the new oil price, adjusting the exchange rate downwards.

3. All the EU countries have different cycles or are at different stages in their cycles. The UK is growing reasonably well, Germany is having problems. This is the reverse of the position in 1990. Since the war the UK economy has tended to have an economic cycle closer to the US than the EU. It has changed because interest rates are set in each country at the appropriate level for it. One central bank cannot set inflation at the appropriate level for each member state.

4. Loss of national sovereignty is the most often mentioned disadvantage of monetary union. The transfer of money and fiscal competencies from national to community level, would mean economically strong and stable countries would have to co-operate in the field of economic policy with other, weaker, countries, which are more tolerant to higher inflation. 

 source : BBC



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17 Comments


Graham Hedger said:
Saturday, January 5, 2013 @ 6:28 AM

The common currency is fine in principle, just like communism. But both are doomed for similar reasons. Human nature. As mentioned in the text, the Maastricht Treaty would, by now, have seen Ireland, Greece, Spain, and...wait for it...even Germany, kicked out of the Euro! But, when a grand master plan is threatened, rules mean nothing and so they are changed in a desperate measure to hold the scheme together. Integrity is killed off immediately and greed rears its ugly head.
In a similar way to the demise of communism.
They peered over the wall, decided they wanted what we had and down came the wall (with help from the outside, of course).
The Euro is a pigs trough. Now many ex-Soviet states - Latvia, Bulgaria, Estonia, Romania et al, are queuing to join (or have joined), gaining billions in hand-outs. But what do they contribute?
Apart from further mass migration into western Europe, exacerbating the economic woes still further!
And just how long will it take for Spain to repay its growing debt?
15 years has been mentioned - almost as long again as the Euro has been in existence!
A success? Only a fool would see it that way.
Get rid of it now, before further carnage emerges.


Eliot said:
Saturday, January 5, 2013 @ 10:53 AM


You couldn't be more accurate as your comment above Graham. The sooner the Euro dissolve and European countries goes back to how they were before and start trading like a Common Market the better. There would be pain and sacrifices at the beginning but it would be the start specially for the weaker countries to rebuild their economies and create employment specially through tourism and look to a brighter future than the prospects we have at the moment looking at a dark tunnel with no end in sight.


Andrew Harding said:
Saturday, January 5, 2013 @ 11:53 AM

The Euro has been a disaster, expecting countries with totally different economies and labour markets to adopt the same interest rates and currency was doomed to failure.
Greece should be bankrupt and would be, were it not for the billions of euros being pumped into its economy from European Central Bank.
Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland need to leave the euro and allow their own currencies to reach a value that will allow them to recover economically. They also need to set their own interest rates and manage their own economies for their own good, not for the good of the unelected, self-serving bureaucrats in Brussells.


Janet White said:
Saturday, January 5, 2013 @ 12:29 PM

Couldn't agree more with the sentiments above. Would only add one thing. One of the main reasons Brussels/Germany etc are in favour of a Euro Superstate is for one reason only - cheap labour !! They have flooded the UK with 3rd world immigrants who have come here to take skilled jobs away from our people and are now employing them in front of UK residents, people who have paid into the system all their lives and studied hard for their qualifications, only to be replaced by people who understand nothing of our tax system and public resources. Now we are left with taxing people more and more to sustain our increasing population and I have heard this week that Theresa May has no intention to limit population by means of immigration control to 80 million which is what the experts are saying will be the situation in 2050. The problem with the Euro is as stated and as such one size does not fit all, it is crippling Western countries who have built up their modern tax and financial structures and public services over many years. Now we are seeing public services stretched to breaking poing, housing crisis increasing daily with millions on the social housing waiting list and people having to get fed from food kitchens as they have been out of work for 2 yrs or more. This can only get worse if nothing is done.

The EU itself is a failure but the politicians will not let it fail no matter the cost of the people, it is the biggest gravy train in history with accounts unaudited since its inception and they can only see more gravy ahead !! Pure greed is driving the worst economical experiment in history and our grandchildren will be paying the price to keep it going if we don't have Civil unrest before then, which many are predicting in the UK.

We need to get out now.


Janet White said:
Saturday, January 5, 2013 @ 12:42 PM

By the way, I should have said that obviously the UK does not have the Euro but is enjoying the failure of the EU which would have been even worse no doubt with the introduction of the Euro if they had joined. The point I am making is that the EU model itself is flawed and should never in a balanced economic discussion ever have been introduced as the cost of such a huge experiment would last generations and the ones on the receiving end of the sacrifice in financial terms are millions of people who never wanted an EU superstate but just a Common Market but we were never given the vote !


Marry said:
Saturday, January 5, 2013 @ 1:51 PM

You are all forgetting the Banks, and what they did.

Spain and others were enjoying a good life till 2008.


Harry said:
Saturday, January 5, 2013 @ 2:52 PM

Especially the Banks!


David said:
Saturday, January 5, 2013 @ 3:14 PM

I agree with all the comment so far,there is only one way out of this disaster,and thats for the politicians to 'grasp the nettle' and dump the Euro,and finally admit they made a huge mistake and let each country go back to its original currency.


Harry said:
Saturday, January 5, 2013 @ 3:30 PM

I entirely agree with you, but what would be the short term consequences?


John Brewster said:
Saturday, January 5, 2013 @ 4:19 PM

Why is it that we can all see the solution to the problem, but the politicians can't?


Richard said:
Saturday, January 5, 2013 @ 5:34 PM

The only thing wrong with the single currency is the fact that it was not supervised and controlled properly. The banks lost the run of themselves and nobody called halt. It certainly ran well at the start and brought our ( Irish) bank rates down from the crazy levels ( 21%) they were previously. Most people here do not want to go back to our own currency and hope the politicians can eventually sort it out.


J. Stevenson said:
Saturday, January 5, 2013 @ 7:28 PM

I think it was the worst thing ever I was living in Germany at the time and the cost of living went through the ceiling. We used to eat out a lot but we had to stop that as the prices went up so fast.
it as supposed to be 2 mark roughly to I euro the biggest fib ever. It will never be the same again. The Goverment are always saying we have no money wages can not go up but they moved to Berlin it wasn`t necessary and spent Billions of tax payers money. We have no money they cry but when it is needed to cover up their mistakes, Example, Greece they suddenly have the money. If I was Greece I would follow in the footsteps of Monaco and tell Europe Good Bye. It is like communisum on a grand scale it won`t and can`t last. Instead of putting taxes up they should drop them radically to attract business. How did the chinese do it! Watch and learn, I wonder why I bother they all feather their own nest first that is my opinion.


R Pease said:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 @ 11:35 AM

I have read all the comments above and agree with all of them . I think that if we dither any longer at pulling out of this so called European Union then I fear we are going to regret it BIG TIME. The polotitions amaze me when they preach to be on the side of the peaple ....thats a laugh what I think has happened is that vast amounts of money was invested in Euope over the years by Big companies and it is this fear of loosing all that investment that is prolonging this agony.My thoughts are long term if we don't pull out now then we are all doomed and things will only get worse by the day. It's like bringing in Communism by the back door.


R Pease said:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 @ 11:36 AM

I have read all the comments above and agree with all of them . I think that if we dither any longer at pulling out of this so called European Union then I fear we are going to regret it BIG TIME. The polotitions amaze me when they preach to be on the side of the peaple ....thats a laugh what I think has happened is that vast amounts of money was invested in Euope over the years by Big companies and it is this fear of loosing all that investment that is prolonging this agony.My thoughts are long term if we don't pull out now then we are all doomed and things will only get worse by the day. It's like bringing in Communism by the back door.


R Pease said:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 @ 11:38 AM

I have read all the comments above and agree with all of them . I think that if we dither any longer at pulling out of this so called European Union then I fear we are going to regret it BIG TIME. The polotitions amaze me when they preach to be on the side of the peaple ....thats a laugh what I think has happened is that vast amounts of money was invested in Euope over the years by Big companies and it is this fear of loosing all that investment that is prolonging this agony.My thoughts are long term if we don't pull out now then we are all doomed and things will only get worse by the day. It's like bringing in Communism by the back door.


sebastian kuiper said:
Monday, January 7, 2013 @ 9:51 AM

The euro could only come into existence with the consent of the
central banks,knowing full well the inflationary effect it would have.
And as people attempted to maintain their living standards,
would resort to the use of more credit(from the same banks).
Low interest rates are great until they are used to unleash a credit/housing bubble when there is no oversight of those same banks.
What are so many former goldman-sachs people doing in top positions in european politics?
The same investment bank that bet against the financial products it sold to Greece(all perfectly legal,of course).
Why were countries allowed a 3% debt ceiling anyway?
to borrow from whom,you guessed it, the banks.
I can,t think of a racket that,s more profitable so don,t hold your breath it ending anytime soon.






John said:
Monday, January 7, 2013 @ 10:12 PM

Change is frequently never 100% good or bad, it depends how the change effects you personally. As an American tourist who first came to Europe in 1969 as a student, individual national currencies were a costly impediment to travel. The only saving grace was the high value of the dollar at the time. As a poor student I felt rich when I received 4 German marks for one dollar. When the Euro was first introduced, it was so much easier for me to cross borders and the dollar was more valuable than the Euro. Since the 90's, the value of the dollar has steadily declined and now it takes about $1.30 American for one Euro. At one time it was above $1.50 and going to Euro was truly expensive. Euro problems in member nations like Greece helped the exchange rate go back to $1.25 for a brief time. I would love to return to the exchange rates of 1969 when I was 21 years old but it is never going to happen. I also don't believe that the Euro will disappear.


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