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POLL : Should Catalonia be allowed to hold a referendum?
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 @ 1:41 PM

Under Spain's constitution a region "cannot unilaterally call a referendum on self-determination to decide on its integration in Spain", according to a written summary of the ruling released by the Constitutional Court. 

It ruled "unconstitutional and null" a declaration by the Catalan regional parliament which claimed Catalonia had a sovereign right to hold a vote on its future. The court upheld a legal challenge by the national government to that declaration and said any "right to decide" by Catalans could only be exercised in accordance with Spain's 1978 constitution, which insists on the unity of Spain. Spain is Indivisible according to the consititution.

Mariano Rajoy vowed to block the vote, which the Catalan authorities intend to hold on 9 November. Both Spain's ruling conservative party and the Socialist opposition have long stated their rejection of a referendum. But in recent months, the Catalan regional government has vowed to press ahead even without Madrid's blessing.

Mr Rajoy told the Spanish parliament during the annual state of the nation debate that "this referendum can't take place, it is not legal". He added: "It is the entire Spanish people who have the capacity to decide what Spain is."

Tensions between the Spanish government and Catalonia's regional government have been rising in recent months. Catalan's regional government announced in December that it had decided on the two questions that would be put to the electorate. Voters would be asked if they wanted Catalonia to be a state and if they wanted it to be an independent state. However, under current Spanish law, the referendum would not be binding because it has not received the backing of the central government.

The Catalan parliament passed a law paving the way for a non-binding vote on secession on Friday, hours after finding out it would not have a Scottish precedent to follow in the region's quest for independence. While noting he would have preferred a yes vote in the Scottish referendum, the Catalan President, Artur Mas, said the task of independence would now be left to Catalonia: "Maybe the first case will be the Catalan one." He said the result in Scotland was not a setback to the Catalan secession drive: "What we really want is the chance to vote. And what happened in Scotland is that they voted, they had a referendum." He added: "The Catalan political process will go on and go ahead."

The law passed on Friday is a last-ditch effort to hold the planned independence referendum on 9 November. Mas now has the power to sign a decree formally calling the consultation, but has not said when he will do so. Once he does, he is likely to be challenged in court by the central government in Madrid, which argues the country's 1978 constitution stipulates that any kind of vote on independence must be put to all Spaniards.

The consultation being put forward by Mas, despite being non-binding, would be illegal, the prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, has said repeatedly.

Artur Mas refers to the 'unofficial' referendum as a 'consultation' but the impact of the results would be much the same…

Do you think Catalonia should be allowed to vote?

 

 



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simonharris said:
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 @ 9:29 PM

By the way, the Tribunal Constitucional hasn't yet ruled on this specific Llei de Consultes or the Decree that will call for the Consultation yet as neither have been published.

It is likely (almost certain) to block the vote but here in Catalonia, there are plenty of legal experts who say that the Law slips through some legal loopholes.

In my opinion, from a democratic point of view, it's very worrying to take the TC's decision for granted before it has even been convened.


mac75 said:
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 @ 10:57 PM

Thanks for the clarification on that Simon.


james ensor said:
Saturday, September 27, 2014 @ 9:43 AM

Catalans mostly opposed Franco during the Civil War. Under Franco`s dictatorship they sufferred severe discrimination including a ban on the use of their native language. They have far more to complain about than the Scots and shold be permitted to secede if they wish. So should the Basques who endured similar discrimination under Franco.


Jose BAILON said:
Saturday, September 27, 2014 @ 9:53 AM

It is sad that the 'Catalans' should so hate Madrid. They should ponder on the fact that the man who inflicted so much damage to 'all' of Spain was not a Castilian. Some of the collaborators in the Movimiento included Catalanes and Bascos.


wodger said:
Saturday, September 27, 2014 @ 10:09 AM

What about the Catalan Region in France? Big "can of worms" coming up! What is likely to happen?


Xaume said:
Saturday, September 27, 2014 @ 10:11 AM

Everybody suffered under Franco, that is no reason to allow a referendum. Franco was Franco, not Spain. That is terribly unfair on the rest of the Spaniards. At least Franco promoted industry and business in Catalonia, which was one of the reasons it has such a strong economy today compared to the rest of Spain. Many Spaniards emigrated there. The Catalans along with the rest of Spain agreed to the constitution in 1978, 3 years after Franco's death. Spain is one and should be indivisible. Catalonia has had hundreds of years to ask for its independence and hasn't done so. Why now? Its all political with economic interests which will benefit the same ones promoting the referendum, Pujol and Co.


simonharris said:
Saturday, September 27, 2014 @ 10:24 AM

Xaume,

Catalan Republic declared in the Pyrenees - 1874
Bases de Manresa - 1881
Mancommunitat - 1914
Declaration of Independence under Macià - 1931
Declaration of Independence under Companys - 1934
(Stupidly) Convinced bt the Constitution and promises of Democracy/Autonomy - 1978
Declaration of Independence under Mas - 2015



Xaume said:
Saturday, September 27, 2014 @ 10:30 AM

Yes, so all very recent then.


Lorenzo said:
Sunday, September 28, 2014 @ 2:30 AM

The so called leaders in catalonia are nothing more than fake,phony,and frauds. Catalonia trouble can be found with people like Mas,Pujol,and Sandro Rosell. All crooks who love to point the finger at others. Look in the mirror


Douglas said:
Sunday, September 28, 2014 @ 11:33 AM

No no and no


Douglas said:
Sunday, September 28, 2014 @ 11:34 AM

No no and no


joe flaherty said:
Sunday, September 28, 2014 @ 12:27 PM

No way just get on with being spanish



gb said:
Sunday, September 28, 2014 @ 12:56 PM

Catalunya could have a vote if agreed by the Spanish parliament and if all Spaniards are allowed to vote.
If the region seceded it would affect all Spain.


amogles said:
Monday, September 29, 2014 @ 10:54 AM

I don't know why people seek to blame Franco for Catalonia's problems. Firstly, Franco has been dead for about 40 years and there are more people alive who don't remember him than who do. Secondly, there were plenty of independence movements in Catalonia before Franco. So blaming it all on the nasty things Franco did to them is being a tad minimalistic. Thirdly, I have books on my bookshelf in the Catalan language that were published by mainstream Spanish publishers during the Franco era, so although maybe there were some repressions against the Catalan language, I find it hard to believe it was totally forbidden to write books in it, and hence I guess it was also permitted to speak it and use it for other purposes.


Ralph said:
Monday, September 29, 2014 @ 9:51 PM

Catalonia´s local goverment is a total fraud, not only Jordi Pujol from CiU, but now Artur Mas is being investigated for doing dirty businesses with the biggest thieve in Catalonia´s history. Currently they are not governing the region, they are just waisting people´s time with the november fiasco. Franco was tough on them because it was a region with lots of anarchists, communists and socio-communists, rebels, anti-system, etc. At that time, Spain was caotic, with uni-lateral declarations,... so Franco, as tough as he was, was a by-product of the current situation. Then the civil war was fought, lots of people die from both sides.. Spaniards fighting Spaniards,.. to keep the country united, it was a big price to pay, and this will not be forgotten by the mental orgasms of some dirty Catalan politicians. The rest of Spain now has to rescue Catalonia again from these thieves,.. so Catalonia will stay put, or fight another civil war with a rented army.


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