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Eight householders were informed over Christmas that their homes, scattered around in various parts of Albox, are to be demolished. Another home in Vera, near to the Priors (whose house was knocked down two years ago - with no compensation for the family who have lived ever since in their garage) is to go on January 12th. Noon!
There are literally tens of thousands of 'viviendas ilegales' in Andalucía - all built, marketed, promoted and sold without any trouble, by 3,000 euro SL companies, and now suddenly the Junta de Andalucía means 'business'.
Why don't they want to demolish bank-held empty apartments... or the Hotel Algarrobico on the coast in Carboneras? Why is there no protection, advice, rule of law or compensation?
There's a demonstration in Almería City on Monday January 11th at 12 noon. It's organised by the AUAN property owners association of Eastern Almería. Let's stop this madness which is - if for no other reason - losing Almería thousands of sales, millions of euros in investment from abroad and an incalculable number of jobs.
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Hi Lenox
It is absolutely crazy what is going on. Every time they do this it's another nail in the coffin of what's left of the Spanish property market and they are ruining innocent peoples lives.
I saw a copy of the demolition order for the other house in Vera. It was quite shocking to read and I can't imagine what the owners of the house there must be going through knowing they are just days away of having their home bulldozed down.
I hope there is a good turnout for the march on the 11th. I have posted more details about this here.
We had a great turnout last year, I hope it can be repeated again and lets really hope that something positive does come out of it. We all need it.
Keep up the good work.
Justin
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Every time I think of the ordeal these people are going through my stomach churns and I feel sick, it seems it could happen to any of us even those who have been in Spain for years and feel safe.
Good luck with the protest and to everyone trying to make some sense of it all. Would attend myself but regret wont be in Spain on that date. I have written to 6 MEP's.
I wish really bad things on all the people who make and enforce these decisions and the authorities and politicians who wont do anything about it.
Poppyseed.
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When I was over for Christmas I met people who were told that their properties could be demolished and were waiting for the outcome of the court hearings. What I havn't heard or read is how many Spanish people are affected by these ilegal builds? Is it only foriegners that are caught in these traps or are locals also vunerable? Surely somewhere along the line, the European Court of Human Rights should be involved to help put a stop to this unaceptable behaviour by corrupt Spanish officials.
I really feel for those that have been, through no fault of their own, caught in this mess. Although I feel safe with my purchase who knows what can happen a few years down the line.
Yes they are quick to demolish properties owned by idividuals but why is there still no outcome on the Hotel Algarrobico, is it because so much money is involved?
Tech.
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What needs to be done is the World being informed as to these absolute abuses to ordinary people who have done everything right and seen their homes ripped into rubble.
The corrupt town hall staff, lawyers and greedy agents who have had their cut have got away .
These people should be made to take the can and the consequences.
The Corrupt Town Halls, The so called Lawyers and Estate Agents.. This triad should be made to pay.. not the innocent home owner.
Till this happens .. The rest of Europe and the World should sit up and take Heed..
Spain is Not a safe place to invest in Bricks and Mortar.
CORRUPTION AND GREED = LOSS OF YOUR HOME
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Time for the EU to step in and apply some form of financial sanction on Spain, perhaps then the powers that be will take note?
Where do human rights come into play in this so called civilised society? Perhaps when this is broadcast loud and clear by as many as possible the powers that be will take note?
We need to keep repeating the message that Spain is not a safe place to invest so long as abuses of this nature are allowed to continue, How people continue to turn a blind eye to the legal fiasco going on in Spain right now is beyond me. Doesn't everyone realise that it benefits no-one in the long run to shove this under the carpet in the hope that it will go away. The movement for accountability requires as much support as possible from all quarters of society if Spain is ever to regain credibility.
Just how bad do things have to get before the powers that be take note..............
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I feel that as long as the majority of people in Spain, Spanish and ex-pats continue to ignore what's going on, then the Spanish government and the EU will probably not take action? There is strong body of denial, who feel that by shouting loud about this we are doing more harm than good because we are putting off potential buyers, or putting Spain down! Many threads on this site alone are only too keen to shout about the benefits of Spain, but when some of us have reminded people that this abuse of human rights is going on under our nose, we are often accused of being 'doom mongers' or speaking out of place on a so called non- related thread. As far as I am concerned until this dreadful abuse is stopped, then there is no Spanish thread that is not related!! Peoples lives are being ruined, and this needs to be addressed NOW, and until it is then anything positive about Spain is just hiding ugly truths. The irony to me is that those who do nothing or criticise those who are, are by nature doing more harm to the country they love than any of us protesting, because their attitude will not bring change to the corruption, justice, regulation etc. that will drag Spain out of it's current mess by doing the right thing by the very people who have invested so much money and trust in the country.
I'm all for being positive when the time is right, and I realise that every thread doesn't want to be 'doom and gloom' , but unless there is a health warning at the start of every thread, then positive threads will contue to look like they are 'bigging up' 10%, while ignoring the big picture. We need action on a huge scale that the Spanish government and the EU can't ignore. It seems obvious that Spain will not do the right thing on its own, and needs a bloody big push!!
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I have the greatest sumpathy by those affected by Spanish corrupt practices. However, what everyone seems to miss is that the EU is the most corrupt organisation of them all. Their only interest is in extracting money from those prepared to pay for French agricultural systems and paying themselves ever more in terms of bloated salary and bonuses, no matter what the state of individual economies. Countries (like Spain) who choose to ignore the diktats they don't like, or don't perceive to be to their advantage are just ignored, whilst the terminally stupid (mainly UK) enact and enforce every tiny gem, no matter how flawed, that flows from the obese EU. Why do others get away with it when we beat ourselves with our own stick? In the past, I have written to all our local MP's and MEP's only to be told that this is an issue for Spain and that they can't (won't?) interfere and anyway, if the EU come ban a particular local law, you can just change it a little to have the same effect and the EU is happy to let you continue i.e. Valencia "Land Grab") All Governments are corrupt (see recent UK events) but unless the majority of its citizens hold them to account we will all just sink into the mire.
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I did say this triad but failed to mention the Dodgy Builders who have had the lion share and done a houdini.
All four bodies The Corrupt Town Halls, The Builders, The Lawyers and The Estate Agents should be made to repay in full and with interest all the money that has been invested and now lost by the INNOCENT Home Owner.
This bunch of FOUR should be made to pay back every cent.. Until that happens the credibilty of the Spanish System is in serious Tatters.
Spain needs a Kick up the backside, why are'nt they being investigated for their rough justice ?
Do Not Buy in this Corrupt Country which has no respect for civilized behaviour
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Goodstich
You are completely right. This idea of being 'positive' and ignoring or denying problems seems to be endemic these days. I have been a civil servant for more years than I care to remember and now when things go wrong, or when those of us who know better (!) predict a new idea will fail (and are usually right) we are considered pessimists or not wanting to 'move forward'. I have seen complete failures spun into success stories that beggars belief and complete denial that it's a shambles, and this is usually to protect fools and their jobs!. Likewise on our urb where there are so many problems and faults those of us who speak out and try to bring about change are called troublemakers because we are talking the place and it's reputation down and so the problems continue and the place falls into more disrepair with questionable management. And so it is with the property abuses in Spain which are obviously on a much bigger scale, but there will still be people who would rather ignore the truth that Spain is a fairweather friend, great when the sun shines and things are going OK, but once the chips are down it can be a living hell as so many people are now finding. All credit to those fighting for change and willing to put themselves on the line for it, they deserve our full and inconditional support.
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Please urge everyone that has been affected by the Spanish Property Scandal to sign Suzie's petition, the more that do so the better.
http://www.spanishpropertyscandalpetition.co.uk/2.html
Everyone affected needs to stay focused and it's essential to keep applying pressure via the EU. Unfortunately those affected can't afford to be sidetracked by other issues within the EU which require attention. Only by standing firm and united will change ever be effected. Accountability is all in this scenario, so the more that come on board and support the action for compensation and change the better.
Re compensation, the petition appears to be calling for the following:
We request that a special Fund be established, taken from EU funding to Spain, to facilitate the Rights of the victims of these scandalous abuses.
A summary from Suzie's petition reads as follows:
The Auken Report can be read in full
here:
MEPs adopted the report with 349 votes in favour, 110 against and 114 abstentions. The EU Press Release following the voting of the Auken Report can be read
here:
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Dear All,
if only we could graft Poppyseed's perspective on all the silly spinners suffering from sunblindness!!!!!!!!!!!!
beware the enthusiast, most especially those with a financial incentive.
and come to think of it why not Poppyseed for Prime Minister????????
Unfortunately I only have one vote
Regards
Norman
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In todays Times there is an in depth article with Comments on the illegal activities of the Andalucian mob.
The whole of Spain should be embarrased by their disgraceful barbaric actions. Fantastic PR for a country which seems to be getting more corrupt than Nigeria. And what does the Spanish Government do ?
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Bruce
you are quite right, but will the Spanish government do anything without protest from the majority? The fact their own property industry is on its knees doesn't seem to shake them in to much action, why should a few thousand Brits robbed have any effect on them?
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extog you are spot on - UK is looking for major Govt spending cuts - lets start with the EU - THAT SHOULD BE A BOUT 20BILLION A YEAR FOR STARTERS, lets then cut down on the size of Westminster and the so called devolved Govts that Blair/Brown let rip, and then we can get to the Town Halls - roll back Govt and Beuaracracy and we'll pay off the debt in no time !
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Back to Spain ............The only way to be effective and make the government ultimately accountable is for the EU to reallocate monies due to Spain to a compensation fund as per the Auken report.
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You can't get more important than human rights........ try telling that to the poor souls who are left without homes.
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very true. It makes me very angry that we are surposed to abide by EU rules, but when it comes to them playing their part....nothing!
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