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Spanish Steps from Sussex to the Sierras

Many years of thinking and now a year of doing............the diary of our move to Spain...............................

The first step is the hardest................
Saturday, January 26, 2013 @ 10:50 PM

 The Journey to  of Spain started many many years ago. When our children now aged 28 & 30 respectively were young.

We often used to think about moving to another country, but many issues held us back the most obvious being was what we would do for a living> With 2 young children, it was a scary thought to try and start again in a foreign country. We would spend months researching various countries in particular France and Spain, but then as the months went the interest would tail off and we would resort to normal living in the UK.
Life took over, the children did well at school, it seemed wrong to move them, my husband - a Self Employed wall and floor tiler who had his own business and we were managing.   We had set backs, as everyone does, the recession in the 90's hit us hard, we lost our house, but we continued onward and upwards and eventually ended up back on our feet again.
 Life carried on and we had up's and down's, The ups have included some fabulous holidays,  and when I sit here and reflect on what we have done in our lives to date its not too bad. We have managed to drag kicking and screaming two daughters into independent and beautiful women, who make us very proud with their work and life ethics. Like most parents we worry about our 2 girls, but we have discussed the move with them. There response it YEP go for it... cheap holidays!!!!!!!
I wish they could come with us but they have there own lives. Although I would have given anything to keep them little, so they would have to come,  as parents we understand the fact that they have outgrown us far quicker than we outgrew them. 
So if life in the UK is not too bad why  the decision to move now. Well I have always had high admiration for those who take the plunge especially those with young children, forging a new life in a strange place, trying to maintain stability for the family. I often think back to programs we used to watch on the T.V, in particular get a new life, no going back and of course the imitable Lee and Cheryl looking for a snail farm in Spain!!.
The original series can be found on U-Tube ,( If you know where they are now let me know!)
 
Lee & Cheryl  
 
 
Needless to say, neither my husband or I have any desire to run a snail farm, but the time has come to make a move in life.
So the reasons for moving are as follows
I work in the public sector (NHS)  and as such am in the fortunate position to be able to take early retirement with my pension. Although don't be fooled by the press and the headlines, trust me the average "gold plated" pension is about £5000pa not £69K pa -  I wish.
This decision has also come about because I do not trust either this government or any other government to mess with it again. My husband Blane has worked in the building industry all his adult life, he is now at a point where the knee's and back are not going to be able to continue in full time work. Mortgage has not got long to go so we sat and thought about our options.
 Option 1
Buy a small terrace house here in the UK. carry on working part time and carry on as now 
OR
 Option 2
Do something different but what
Well, said my husband why not rekindle that desire to  move to France or Spain, the same issues arise. what will we do, how will we live, where will we live and so on and so forth, but when it is just the two of you and you  have a guaranteed income, albeit basic its an easier decision.   Blane looked at the financial side, pension forecast etc etc  we then had some arguments, my first choice was France, Blane preferred Spain. Eventually we agreed on Spain.  It is a joint decision and one that we are both happy with;  At the time of writing this blog the world is in recession, and Spain is in a bad way, but the flip side to this is with the economy in Spain as it is, we can get more bricks for out money.  We will gain from someone else,s misfortune and that's not a nice feeling but not, to be perfectly honest, enough to stop us.  We have been on the receiving end of recession before and am totally aware of what it is like. 
Having told our daughters who are fully supportive, we have told parents. Mine live in Lincolnshire near my brother and family, Blanes' mum and brother live in London.  All have wished us well and we have had no negativity.  Although I am sure that my Mum & Dad think we are stark raving.  To be honest,  we do not have a wide circle of friends here in the UK.  However the ones that we do have, have been very supportive and completely with us, understanding out need for a new adventure, and yes this is an adventure a risky adventure, in the next 12  months we have to sell our house, decide what to do with our belongings, to store or not to store, arrange finances, maybe rent in the UK for a few months depending on how long it takes to sell the house. Sort out pet passports, oh yes the cats are coming!. Re-home our 4 chickens and charlie big bananas our cockerel.
I can say one thing for we are ready for an adventure, we would rather try and fail than fail to try.
I  have found 2 quotes which I think sums it up.
If you are not willing to risk the unusual, you will have to settle for the ordinary - Jim Rohn
It is better by noble boldness to run the risk of being the subject to hald the evils we anticipate than to remain in cowardly listlessness for dear of what might happen - Herodotus
I know that some think we are stupid,   these are usually people who do not understand why we are going, some think that the only reason for moving to a foreign country is for the sun and a better life, of course long hot summers are appealing, however anyone doing there research will tell you that, hot is Spain is HOT and when its cold its COLD and no the rain in Spain does not fall mainly on the plain.  But these folks have it wrong, we are not going for a better life, we are going for a different life, and who knows they may be proven right in the end, but I do know one thing, when we woke up on January 1st this year we both felt exhilarated  by the year ahead.
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if you wait to do everything until you're sure it's right, you'll probably never do much of anything
Win Borden

Our attitude towards life determines life's attitude towards us
John N. Mitchell
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This blog will not be a retrospective look at life after moving to Spain it is about how we got to this point .. OK some some retrospection  but also a chance for me to record how the process happens as it happens, the issues that arise and how we deal with them and then finally we can look back and see where and how we end up compared to where we started. I will provide links and support to anyone who needs it along the way. An on line diary I suppose.
I hope you will join in on our journey    
There are two mistakes once can make along the road to truth.. not going all the way and not not starting. Buddha


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26 Comments


Tosh said:
Saturday, January 26, 2013 @ 10:44 PM

Wish you the best of luck but I thnk many would advise you not to sell up in the UK straight away in case things don't work out. Many would suggest you rent your house in the UK out and use that money to rent a place in Spain until you are sure you have made the right decision as so many people have sold up in UK, moved lock stock and barrel to Spain and then find it impossible to return to the UK if they want/need to.


eggcup said:
Sunday, January 27, 2013 @ 9:46 AM

I like your quote:

'If you wait to do everything until you're sure it's right, you'll probably never do much of anything.'
Win Borden

If you don't mind I might nick it off you for a later point in my blog as it sums up some people I've known.
Good luck with the year ahead, but like Tosh says, I think you should also consider the 'rent to rent' option... At least work out the pros and cons of that, too.


Davespain said:
Sunday, January 27, 2013 @ 11:42 AM

Good for you. good advice to rent first and rent your uk home out too.... if only so you dont burn your bridges. I reckon that knowing you have an escape route ready if needed will completly put you at ease. You are right life isnt a dress rehearsal. do your research and dont let negative people back home (who are probably scared of their own shadow) put you off. The uk has bred a type of negative, cossetted individuals who drift along, often unhappily, on a cloud of boring normality - as they get nearer to their deathbed.
go for it and dont take life too seriously!


Jaime Benavides said:
Sunday, January 27, 2013 @ 12:53 PM

Hello, first of all, good luck with your interesting 2013. I am from Granada, Andalusia. I am in this forum looking for a buyer for one of my family's property in Granada. I think that could be interesting for you:
We have a house with 4 apartments in a touristic area in Granada (a magic city), the street is called Carrera del Darro. The idea is to live in some of the apartments and to rent the others, this way you can live there and have a income during the following years. Granada is amazing, close to the sea and to the mountains.
If you are interested in knowing more about Granada and this opportunity please contact us, this is the email of my mum who is in charge of the family business, mjacunasepu@hotmail.com. we do speak english and now a lot of the spanish law (my sister is a layer, my dad city planning worker in Granada)...


Poppyseed said:
Sunday, January 27, 2013 @ 2:15 PM

I think the best advice given is don't sell up in the UK just yet, many people have found themselves stuck in Spain when they want to return to the UK for whatever reason. Rent to rent sounds a good option. Good luck with your adventure.


Maddiemack said:
Sunday, January 27, 2013 @ 3:44 PM

The other option, depending on how much equity there is in your home and how large it is, is to sell the home you have and buy something smaller that leaves you with enough cash to buy a place in Spain....although it's a good advice to rent first. We downsized over a year ago when our youngest son moved into a place of his own and I have to admit we are pleased we did. From having a large house and garden that required effort, time and cash to upkeep, we now have a new 2-bed coach house with a large garage. We were very nervous about leaving our lovely family home to renters but our present place is easy to clean and look after. We know we will have no problem at all renting it out for 6 months or more when we've found the Spanish winter let we want...giving us the option to stay longer in Spain if we decide to whilst keeping that all-important foothold in the UK. Looking forward to reading more about your adventure!


Louise said:
Monday, January 28, 2013 @ 9:29 PM

All good advice. We have sold ours in preparation and are now in rented waiting....! We are also going to try to buy a smaller house in the Uk that we can rent out (probably to my eldest daughter) and that in turn becomes a proportion of our income. Obviously I don't know where you live but where we are in Exeter the rentals give a reasonable yield so for us it will be good although property isn't that cheap. We also have somewhere we can come back to if things didn't work out but we're not thinking that will be the case. Good luck and I look forward to hearing more. :)


HOLA said:
Monday, January 28, 2013 @ 9:46 PM

many thanks for all your comments and advice all gratefully received.


Mike said:
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 @ 1:59 PM

Whatever else you do LEARN SPANISH!!! Your life will be both easier and more enjoyable, there are people who have been in Spain for years and can just about order a coffee in Spanish. LEARN SPANISH.


HOLA said:
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 @ 2:09 PM

Could not agree more Mike.. we are learning spanish at the moment. I have a spanish colleague and we are trying to converse only in spanish. It is becoming easier week by week, I can not imagine living in a country and not being able to have some level of the language. My french is not too bad I would say above holiday level below working level if that makes sense. My spanish will have to be better than that!!!!!!!!


Jane Simpson said:
Saturday, February 2, 2013 @ 7:40 AM

We moved to Spain from West Sussex last September and haven't regretted it for a moment. We have let our house in the UK where rents are high and rent here where the rents are low. This provides us with extra income. My advice would be to rent over here. Whatever you rent here do ensure that it has a fireplace becuse it can get quite cold in the winter evenings, not as cold as the UK of course but chilly all the same. Electricity here is expensive so a log fire is good.
Initially rent somewhere for 3 to six months as it's likely that once you get here you will find another area you prefer.
Good luck to you both


Jane Simpson said:
Saturday, February 2, 2013 @ 7:41 AM

We moved to Spain from West Sussex last September and haven't regretted it for a moment. We have let our house in the UK where rents are high and rent here where the rents are low. This provides us with extra income. My advice would be to rent over here. Whatever you rent here do ensure that it has a fireplace becuse it can get quite cold in the winter evenings, not as cold as the UK of course but chilly all the same. Electricity here is expensive so a log fire is good.
Initially rent somewhere for 3 to six months as it's likely that once you get here you will find another area you prefer.
Good luck to you both


Catherine said:
Saturday, February 2, 2013 @ 7:47 AM

Congratulations at arriving at your decision. I used to think that there was 'something' that people had who lived and worked abroad. 'Something' that I didn't have but I could never put my finger on what it was. Then I realised that the only thing that was different about them and me was that they had done it....gone to work or live abroad. There was never anything concrete which made us different just that they had done it. So I did it too, over ten years ago now and I am so happy I did. I started to live, have a life in Spain. I still have family back in the UK, 3 kids in their 30s with husbands and wives and now grandchildren. I have spent sometime back in the UK when the children were first born which is why renting in Spain for me provides the most flexibility. I also rent out my house in the UK and have a place to go back to stay anytime I want.
Good luck with your Spanish, its well worth the effort as people here will take you into their hearts and their homes if you have made the effort to learn their language. Suerte!


Sheila said:
Saturday, February 2, 2013 @ 7:54 AM

Hi - I too am NHS employed and my husband Social Services. We bought a small Finca (small farm) in the mountains in Enguera (Valencia) - about a 5 minute drive from the lovely little town of Enguera itself - quite a propsperous little town and very community spirited - lovely, friendly people - not many English - and they've taken us into their hearts. We have a house in the UK and live and still work in the UK - but try to get to Enguera as much as possible. I would say downsize, buy a little place in the UK and rent it out - so you've always got a bolthole to come back to - and just go for your dream of getting a little place in Spain. All the very best - it's worked fantastically for us - wouldn't change it for the world.


Nina said:
Saturday, February 2, 2013 @ 9:33 AM

Renting before buying is essential - and don't consider buying until you've spent a full year in the area you choose. In the 25 years we've been here, near Almeria, we've seen people rush into buying a property, in the wonderful climate of Spring or Autumn, and then be horrified by the cold winter nights, or the relentless heat in the summer. It's a fabulous life here, but make sure it's the right place for you before committing yourselves. Don't hesitate to contact us via the website shown if we can help with any advice.


Pamela said:
Saturday, February 2, 2013 @ 9:38 AM

The renting is a good idea as it will give you time to check many areas - some people who think the coast is best move inland for better prices - on another note we feel very safe here (north of Antequera). Good luck and with your attitude you are bound to succeed and be happy.



Deborah said:
Saturday, February 2, 2013 @ 10:10 AM

Good luck, very excited for you. I am about 10 years behind you but have the same dream, I am waiting for my children to get a bit older then hope to move to Los Alcazares once mortgage is paid off and children early 20's.


Deborah said:
Saturday, February 2, 2013 @ 10:11 AM

Good luck, very excited for you. I am about 10 years behind you but have the same dream, I am waiting for my children to get a bit older then hope to move to Los Alcazares once mortgage is paid off and children early 20's.


Mick said:
Saturday, February 2, 2013 @ 10:17 AM

Hi Lee & Cheryl, love the story not sure about selling up in the UK though. We are also taking the big step this year, we are moving to Spain in 3 weeks time. we are Letting our house out in the UK on a long term lease, which by the way starts 1st March so there is no turning back now. We like you are leaving family behind but they too are very supportive, I have taken early retirement but unlike you I have no pension to live off for another 6 year. as I have said in the past life can get pretty boring as you get older maybe this is not as many of you will let us no a sensible & good finacial move but you only live once so live it to the full if you can. Of course you will get people who will knock you whatever you do but hey so what, they spend all there life on sites like this writing about doom and gloom. So Good luck for the future I am sure you will need it along the way as I am sure we will but Live life to the full.


Steve said:
Saturday, February 2, 2013 @ 10:44 AM

We're moving over in march 2013 so watching with interest we have a home in Spain so are selling here and keeping a small flat (rented out to top up forces pension)
So no regrets just new experiences

Good luck


Graeme said:
Saturday, February 2, 2013 @ 10:52 AM


Best of luck...may your 2013 adventure be a happy one....im sure it will be.

look forward to seeing an update.

Cheers
Graeme


Steve said:
Saturday, February 2, 2013 @ 1:17 PM

One thing we are struggling with is scar weather to buy here , take ours, or ug in Spain so many stories about tax etc
We have an X5 and the same in a LHD is a fortune any advice would be great
On the bright side pet passports done (3dogs). Ferry booked 24th ply-sant
So no going back. I see the £ is getting hammered ????
All advice welcome
:)


Mali said:
Saturday, February 2, 2013 @ 10:07 PM

My husband and I sold all back end of 2001 with two young children and went to live in Marbella. We had a long holiday of FIVE years. Children were in international school. We loved every moment of our stay there. My son wanted to come back and do GCSE and A levels in Uk and not International GCSE. Since my husband And I both were working part time just to keep busy,(I am an accountant and he is civil engineer with interest in properties) we returned to uk end 2006. We had a few properties we sold after leaving including two beautiful new cars. I must say regret the move back to uk and cannot wait to get a chance to go back. My son is in final year of degree and my daughter will have one more year so we could move back in two years time. We have no pension but have built a small protfolio of buy to lets which will have small income enough for two of us.
From my experience (also in properties Spain and UK) I would not buy for six months, also shop around depending on what you need. Prices are very good now make sure you are near doctors and not isolated. We lived in Calahonda where English community live there. Winter and summer people are around with tennis clubs, English speaking doctors....then we moved to Elviria , very upmarket area, make sure you do not accept Lamariena as Elviris, on the mountain, six kilometre of bad roads and very cold, not many people live here and recent fire has ruined the trees....and finally we ad a very good PRIVATE health plan Sanita very reasonable and I think is part of BUPA but BUPA was more expensive where as we bought the plan in Marbella and was so much cheaper. Unlike UK we could choose our specialist from the list in the book and also we never paid a minimum for visits, our monthly covered all.
You must go the and shop around for rental and do not worry in Spain most people speak English. Best is buy a paya s you go mobile and walk around ,take telephone numbers and ring arrange directly for lower rent. €500 you should rent a nice two bed two bath in a nice area(not isolated). Make sure you do not have to drive off main roads to get to your home. Because of the bad way the country is even most of the lights on main roads are not put on.
Please do not hesitate to ask me any questions you may have.


Mandy and Andy said:
Monday, February 4, 2013 @ 1:38 PM

I disagree with those who say you should not sell up in UK - we sold everything as our motto is never look back. Too many have gone back without trying hard enough, because they kept their house there. We haven't regretted it for a minute, even though it's not all roses, after 9 years here nothing would entice us back to gloomy and miserable Blighty. However I tend to agree you should find an area you like and rent for a while first - a lot of aspects of the house and area you live in can be surprising and totally unforseen. Look forward to reading your updates.


Sylvia Foster said:
Monday, February 4, 2013 @ 9:17 PM

Good Luck looking forward to future updates We have rented different seasons in Spain found the ideal location Rojales in the Alicante Region still can't decide whether to sell up in the uk and buy places have never been so cheap.Problem is since the retirement age has been increased to 66 seems a long way off now.But i love the lifestyle and feel so much better with the sunshine Lee & Cheryl i saw them a few years ago walking around a flee market in Fuengirola both looked well and have lost some weight.Lee was just the same looking for a bargain.


Ben Whistance said:
Saturday, February 9, 2013 @ 1:19 PM

Fantastic blog. I am looking forward to reading what you come up against on your way to España! We are hoping to make the move in the next two years. Learning Spanish at the present and just got a better paid job to save up some moving funds!


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