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We were out at Corvera on the weekend and witnessed ourselves huge amounts of construction - Rosa informs us that the workforce is 600+. She also expects the shifting of ground for the Golf course to start at the end of this month which should be green by the completion of Phase 1 and 2 but not playable for a further 12 months. They have started moving the earth for the entrance into the site from the town. All is still on course for phase 1 completion summer 2009 and phase 2 winter 2009.

Apparantly Corvera town are already experiancing the 'boom' with businesses already expanding to supply food & drink to the construction team. Rosa explained that several requests have gone in for restaurant licences in the town.

All in all a pleasing visit to the site, except for the views now being spoilt by all that construction (only joking!!)

Paul

Hi Paul,

Did Rosa actually stipulate phase 2 completion winter 2009?  And the golf course not playable until a year after phase 1 completion - ie. summer 2010?  Because if that is the case we are extremely concerned as we were told by Pablo that phase 2 completion would coincide with phase 1 in April/May 2009 and the golf course would be ready about the same time - maybe a month or two later. We are buying on phase 2 as our permanent home and already have our UK house on the market - so if the dates have moved even further I think we will have to look at ways of pulling out.  Unfortunately staff at Corvera do not appear to be singing from the same hymn sheet.  Any further information you can provide would be much appreciated.

Hi Pwilson & all

Thanks for the info, previously I believe that tstaff from Calidona  have recently stated that phase 1 & 2 would be completed together in April/May 09. The construction appears to be going ahead very well so why the new delay ? now it looks like phase 1 & 2 will be completed something like 6 months apart, Phase 1 in the summer ( which could be August/September 09)  and phase 2 in the winter, did they give a reason for the delay?  Does this mean they have not started phase 2 ( as they should complete within 18 months). As difi has said why a different member of staff a different story, why can there not be an official line, a plan which they can communuicate to us or at least have it on their web site, clearly this is expecting too much. No doubt when the next person goes over there, they  will be told something different.

Also  did anyone mention when they might get the 'final' licence, yet another couple of months has passed with no news, why the delay? Calidona do not even appear to be giving any sort of date any more as to when they will recieve the licence? Surely  Calidona should be confident  about completing within 18 months from now as the construction is going so well and so should not be 'holding back' on the licence(this has previously been put forward as a possible reason)  or is the licence  now considered unneccessary ? or possibly they'll get it after completion.

I know we've been told they have had the initial go ahead, but does anyone know what this means?  has anyones lawyers seen this in writing? and is it legally binding, ie is it basically as good as the 'final' licence, or are they just taking a big gamble? Someone on the Roda message board wrote that they are  proceeding to build villas ( I believe on phase 3)  with out a licence, in their opinion they're taking a chance on getting the licence at a later date ( I can not confirm this).

Of course I can not get any straight answers from Calidona, last time I asked Rosa about the licence she said I should look for the answer on  their website which of course ( as she knew only to well) does not have any info on the licence, and the agents are only regurgitating the BS they're getting from Calidona and the lawyers are not much better. I just took a look at Corvera's website and the latest photos they have are in Nov 07, is this really the best they can do? how difficult is it to take a few photos and upload them.

kev

Hello Kev

You may find photos I posted a few week ago helpful from a doubting Thomas point of view.

I, like you, and many more people have waited a long time to get to where we are today ,I  have been to the site twice since Jan and can confirm that Calidona seem to be working flat out there. From what I have seen they can do no more at the moment so why not chill out and give them a chance.

So what is my angle?

I have invested there  taking a 5 year view.In the past Calidona were taking a lot of stick because  of delays which was fair enough however having read the last post you would think things had just got worse instead of  BETTER .  I think it is only fair to all of the people who have property there that they get a bit of good news because it is looking really good .

Having invested in a few projects over the last few years in the UK and Spain this would be one of the projects I am very confident about having seen it recently. So hang in there and give it a chance!

Hi Investor

 I do not really understand the photo's and the doubting Thomas comment as I am well aware of the progress on the site and have never said that I doubted this in any way.  I am glad in one sense that so much progress has been made, but I would be much happier if the progress was being made  with a 'final' building licence in place. And although the construction is encouraging I don't feel we should get complacent and ignore any problems.

I feel thre is a problem with Calidona not officilaly communicating with us ( and from what I can gather the same thing is true for my agent), why on Earth don't they?, you mention giving them a chance, I feel that people have been very very patient over the last couple of years and have been giving them every chance. Why can they not tell us their plans ie when the phases and golf course will be finished, and if this plan changes give us those reasons. Phase 2 appears to have been delayed another 8 months or so for no apparent reason, perhaps it will be delayed another year or so yet ,again no doubt with no explanation ( but who knows whats really going on with completion dates). Did you not read difi's message, he may have to pull out due to the delays, does he and the rest of us not deserve to be informed of whats happening so that  we can plan accordingly, I'm sure there are many others at the end of their tether,  you should appreciate that not all of us are unconcerned about the delays as you appear to be, as  all  our circumstances are different.

Also when is the 18 months count down going to begin ? because until it does they could keep delaying things indefinitely, surely the development has begun and so should the countdown have begun, personally I think that Calidona are treating us with contempt and we deserve a lot better, and I'll admit that I'm not happy with that. I also think that if the problems or concerns are not highlighted, Calidona are much less likely to address them.

kev

Hi Difi

In answer to your questions - It appears, and Rosa confirmed that they are currently building on Phase 1 & 2 together. This would appear to be due to having to complete certain areas in order to set the golf course around them. She did say  summer 2009 for phase 1 completion & six month later phase 2 , but my view is that the initial completion will include some of phase 2 which looks further advanced than some of phase 1.  Hopefully Rosa has given us the worst case scenario in terms of build times for phase 2 as it is early days into the construction. With a project of this size there can only be guesses and estimates within the early stages.

With reference to the golf course - as they are only just about to start this, there is no way it will be ready for playing as Phase 1 & 2 finishes. It will take at least 2 years from start  for the greens etc to establish. I would certainly guess that Rosa is more accurate with this than Pablo's information. As Rosa stated it will be green but will need to bed in.

For me it is a long term investment & holiday home so I have no concerns but I guess if you are looking for a permant move you need some specific dates - all I can say is speak to them in a couple of months or so as by then they should be able to give dates on completions of specific units - good luck & I hope it works out ok for you

Paul

Hi everyone,

What happens if they complete the building work before getting final building permission? Surely we can't be made to complete?

John

Hi all

Although it is a concern, I feel that we will have a building licence before long ( despite no info coming from Calidona on this matter recently), but if for some reason we didn't, I certainly don't think we could be made to complete or should we. I would not have thought that they would be able to get a 'habitation'  licence which would be required before we complete.

As far as  the estimate on completion changing almost from week by week and often by many months, I just find it very bizarre. Any large project should have some kind of time structure to it a basic plan,  the project should be broken down into several stages and a time given for each stage, for example to get the basic skeleton of the buildings up, perhaps 4 months and so on. Sure things may happen to make you adjust the timing, but these should be explained and should not happen as frequently as they are now. And if things do run behind schedule for some reason usually you can make up time, ie possible get more men on the job in later stages.

Recently we were told that phase 1 & 2 were to be completed in April/May 09, now for no apparent reason phase 2 will be in the winter of 09, the golf course later still and no explanation as usual given. They appear to be randomly pulling  dates out of a hat with no concern about the effect it has on us the clients. What will they say next week, completion will be the  summer of 2010, again with no reason. Although it does surprise me, It would appear that many people do find this lack of ,and chaotic information quite acceptable and can find no fault with the way Calidona are conducting themselves. The delay in this case is especially strange because recently  everyone who has gone out there has been saying how quickly and wonderful the construction is going and the result is we get a 6 month delay out of the blue?  with out any explanation (big surprise there).

I like everyone else has invested a lot of money into this investment ( in my case over £100,000 so far ) and when we invest this sort of money is it really asking too much to get some basic official information from Calidona in regard to such things as building licence and a completion date ( so we can plan accordingly), and if there is a genuine delay , is an explanation  expecting too much? Responding consistently to emails wouldn't hurt either.

Kev

I agree with Kev's earlier email about very poor communication by Calidona which creates all these anxieties and mixed messages. It would not be difficult to  post regular update reports on the progress being made, which is significant, and their failure to do so adds to the uncertainties that people are feeling. I have been somewhat reassured by the photos on this forum which does show significant progress but for those who are not members of this site might be oblivious unless they have visited recently. A few photos taken by Calidona on an ordinary digital camera would be welcomed and would allow us all to see the progress being made.

To reinforce this I was over in mid December and one of the guys showed my some ariel shots of the site which were an update on the Nov photos on their web site. He said these would be posted around xmas time but they have never appeared. Now may be they thought they didn't really convey the progress being made but they did show much more going on than the latest shots on the website so I can only think that they do not take their customer care at all seriously.  

On the matter of the building licenses I did relax when I saw the significant work being carried out but am becoming increasingly uneasy as time goes on. On the one hand you feel that the company would not risk such a massive cost in getting to the current state of build if they were at all unsure of getting the formality of the license signed sealed and delivered but you do read such horror stories of  urbanisations developed  without the necessary licenses and I will certainly breathe a huge sigh of relief when I hear that the license is confirmed irrefutably.

Cheers
Chris

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I've now had a long phone conversation with Rosa in response to an email sent to Pablo earlier today.  Basically she told me pretty much the same as she has told Graham and Chris - ie.

• That the estimated completion date for both phases 1 & 2 is May 2009;
• That the golf course is going to be started very soon and will be 'green' by that completion date - but not playable until later in the year;
• That the project has been approved but the final signature on the licence not yet obtained - but that this is simply a matter of bureaucratic red tape.  As soon as it is we will all be sent copies.
• That they will soon be posting new aerial photoson the Corvera website.
• That they will also soon be sending out a newsletter giving an update on progress.

Let's hope.....

Hi Brian and welcome!!  Thanks for the photos, seems like things are definitely progressing.

Anita.

I have recently seen a new website providing up to date info and pictures on Roda Golf, I e-mailed the guy at www.rodagolfinfo.com to see if he has plans to do the same with Corvera and he said the Corvera site will be ready in 3 or 4 weeks, it will have updated pictures and news of the development.

The guy seems to be doing an ok  job, the Roda site is not finished just yet but already some pretty good stuff on it, as soon as the Corvera site is up and running, I will obviously post on this and other threads, not sure of the web address yet,, will try to find out, if anybody finds it meantime, please post.

I have sent them a request for some info I would like added, I would suggest you all do the same if there is anything you want posted or discussed.

Hi Marvin, thanks for that info - very interesting.  Apart from anything else, if you select Calida International Properties on the site, then select Corvera Golf & Country Club it lists all the properties available at Corvera.  Some of them seem really unusual.  Excellent for making the development individual in my opinion.  Odd that there are no Tilo properties advertised, maybe they have all been sold.  Anyway, thanks again and keep us posted.

Regards, Anita.

Hi Anita,

I have checked with the developer and Calida International regarding the Tilo's, you assumed correct, they were sold out over 18 months ago, apart from a few "stragglers" there are none available, a couple of really nice ones came back on to the market according to the guy at Calida International, however the developer has re-priced them about 30 - 40K more expensive, nice to know for those people that have Tilo's.

Thank you Marvin for taking the time to find that out for me/us.  What fantastic news!!  I don't suppose you know how many properties have been sold in total?

Anita.