HELP!! SINGLE MUM PLANNING TO MOVE TO SPAIN

Hi all,

Joe1 seems to enjoy a bit of banter on the Trampolin Hills forum as well.

Hi Shannon

From reading some of the forums I think Joe1 is a buyer on Hacienda del Alamo. I am guessing he is rubbishing all the developments close by as a bit of wishful thinking.

Hi all,

I think what Joe1 posts should be taken with a large pinch of salt, reckon joe1 is just someone with too much time on their hands, who may or may not have purchased a property but just likes to stir things up a bit.

Hi All,

I've been away and not read my emails / PM's for a week or so.

Inbox today had 2 messages from Joe1.

1st one saying that he IS genuine and cares about the forum debates.

2nd one saying i'm an A-hole for not replying to him!

nice......

Hi All

just received the following information from my independant solicitor regarding the licences.

we have at last been given the reference number of the works licence from corvera, we have contacted the council and this is the reply we have been given.

we confirm that this licence application form was to build 729 properties in corvera, they are being processed by the council and they are pending to receive two reports before they grant them.

at the end of february corvera golf presented some documentation regarding the issue of environmental protection, this was apparently incomplete, the council sent this document to the department of environmental protection and the council is now pending to receive a report that shows to be favourable or unfavourable from the enviornmental protection department.

the other report pending to be received by the council is from the own town hall architects, this report will also be favourable or unfavourable.

as soon as both reports, in the case of being favourable, are received by the council, then they will grant the licences.

they told us to phone a couple of times a month to check on progress.     END

i dont know about the rest of you but i am now completly confused , according to the above if the reports turn out to be unfavourable what is the next stage, ? i have only just received this information, i will be asking my solicitor further questions regarding this matter.

have anyone else been in contact with their solicitors regarding the licence issues, are calidonia building illegally without having these issues rubber stamped.

regards dave

Hi

My solicitor told me in a meeting I had in March, that they had 'concerns' about what was happening at Corvera. I'm not sure what exactly he was 'concerned' about, but it does seem strange that they start building without the correct licenses. They also seem incapable of ever communicating with their 'customers'. Obviously all this delay also greys the date that the 18 month completion should start from. Another reason to keep all our money and earn interest on it.

No wonder half of Spain remains unbuilt and looking like a bloody building site!

Good morning all, I too have been in touch recently with my MRI recommended 'independent' lawyer, their reply to some fairly searching questions was " No need to be concerned ". Apparently there have been a few 'bureaucratic' hold ups but he felt sure that eventually everything would be ok. He was very. very evasive when pushed on the subject of the 18 month completion guarantee and when the time frame actually starts, all I could get was that the date for completion for phase 2 was still estimated at around May 2009. However he would not deny that in spanish law the build guarantee begins as soon as foundations are laid, all he kept stressing was that there is no need to worry and that the completion date would be met. When I asked again what happens next may if the latest completion date is not met, what course of action ( in spanish law ) would I be able to take he said that he would talk to the people at the town hall and Calidona and get back to me, guess what, you got it, no contact ( 4 days!! ). I have tried to remain up beat and confident, but at this moment in time I think the best discription of how I feel about Corvera is weary and nervous.

Hi Perse

I appreciate the information, was there any mention of the council granting some sort of provisional licence for the build? If not why are they building? Would it not be illegal to begin the build without one? I agree with your sentiments, I have expressed my concerns about the licence (or lack of one ) on many occasions, now from what I can gather, it appears that no licence has been granted but they have decided to have a gamble and proceed without one in the hope that the reports are favourable and that the licence will eventually be granted, if this is the case nice one Calidona, it's little wonder that they are not communicating. Lets just hope the reports are favourable?

Can any one confirm what Steve has said about Spanish Law stating that the build starts when the foundations are laid ( and therefore the 18 month deadline? despite what the contract says about the 18 month limit starting from the granting of the building licence)

kev

We to are nervous and confused about the build licence. Even if it was granted tomorow the development will already be delayed by 2yrs. When we contact our solicitor we get same answer every time,maybe next week . Surley even in spanish law there should be a point when we can go to developer and request our money back other wise these broken promises could continue for years.  Unfortunatly we made big mistake using solicitor recomended by MRI which we plan to rectify on our next visit, the amount of information we get is vertualy nil. Does anybody know if there are any legal options regarding time constraints and if so what would that time be. We are continuing to try and be positive but like others nerves are setting in.

Pauline and Steve

I sent an email to Rosa yesterday at Corvera Sales and she replied:

"All permissions have been granted and given. we are waiting on the signature but we are building because we have got the go ahead from the authorities."

Thanks for the info Warren

The direct reply that Perse had from the Council was that they are processing the application and that they are awaiting two reports, one environmental and one acrchitects report, once they  recieve these reports they  must be favourable for the licences to be granted. I would also be interested as to why ultracleans lawyers have concerns.

 I would have thought all this should have been sorted out before the start of any building works. Also there was no mention of permissions being granted by the council in their reply or that they have given the 'go ahead' to start.  I would suggest that they are taking a gamble on building now if they require  two reports to be favourable, unless they are in some way guaranteed.

Another question that perhaps should be asked is why has the environmental and architects reports taken all this time , have we not already been waiting years ?

It's also interesting that Rosa has not mentioned the required reports, she has been waiting on the 'signature' for many months now, with no apparent idea as to when it might be granted.

Personally I would not be to reassured by what Rosa has said, we need the full licence to be granted and this confimed by direct contact between our lawyers and the council.

Kev

Hi Kev

I agree totally with your comments, when i visited corvera in jan of this yrae i was told that the signiture required was likely to be signed on the 16-01-08, never happened.

It took Calidona over 5 weeks to finally reply to my lawyer giving her the relevant licence number to enable her to contact the town hall to seek answers to my many questions.

My lawyer is totally independant of Calidona or any agent so i therfore trust in what her response was, it is clear to me that the council are still waiting for the two outstanding reports before issing the relevent licences.

Her response also clarifys to me the reason we have not received an official start date from Calidona.

My lawyer intens to ring the town hall on a regular basis as they suggested, untill i hear a favourable response from my lawyer i will remain very wary of any information coming from corvera.

I guess that most of us have used a solicitor / lawyer to protect our interests, i would advise that you listen to them rather than staff at corvera, the last two and half years of  failed promised dates should have told us all somthing.

I also know the staff at corvera read this forum on eye on spain, so they are well aware of what we are saying to one another, i just wish they would be up front and give us all the truth we are looking for, either good or bad, sooner that than keep us all guessing.

regards dave

Hi Dave & all

It's nice to see that you appear to have a lawyer that is willing to put some effort into helping you the client, something unfortunately I have not had any personal experience of. It would now appear that the council are waiting on Calidona  rather than what we were led to believe. By the way it was an excellent idea to deal directly with the council as they should be reasonably independant of Calidona.

Due to the lack of information from my lawyer on the progress of the development , I am now in the process of using another firm, something I should have done some time ago, but I had the feeling that there was not much between them. Hopefully  I'll have some more success with them.

Rosa says that 'all permissions have been granted', I wonder if Calidona would be willing for our lawyers to see this ( mind you  they should of just shown it). In this climate, nothing unfortunately should be taken on trust, the permission she speaks of I assume has been fomerly written down, as generally speaking verbal agreements are not worth anything ( as they are difficult to prove).

Also I would not have thought that this is not the first time they would have submitted the reports ( would they have been given permission to start with out seeing these reports?), my guess is that they have been or are being resubmitted due to some required adjustment.

I have to say that I am new to this foreign off plan development business and have found the whole process very frustrating, mainly thanks to my legal team, agent and especially developer. In my opinion, when they are not being evasive( like not replying to emails), I've  been getting half truths, waffle and general BS (they would do very well  as politicians). It would be a breath of fresh air to deal with people who are upfront and open and basically tell you things as they are ( we can but dream).

kev

Hi all

Thanks for the updates.

We have lawyers through MRI and I must agree with the sentiments here that we receive no information from them or help resolving problems. Whenever I mention the licenses I too am told not to worry, they will arrive. Does everyone use MRI lawyers, and if so can you please tell me which ones?

Does anyone also know of a better lawyer, should I choose to change.

Kathroger

Hi, 

Due to lack of information from Calidona, our (independent) lawyer has also now been in contact with Murcia Town Hall direct regarding granting of the building licence and has been told that some reports had to be amended and resubmitted and were currently being reviewed.  Our lawyer is currently "waiting for the response of Murcia Town Hall regarding the elusive building licence."

We are using a firm of Spanish lawyers with a London office and would be glad to pass on details to anyone who PM's us.

Thanks Difi

Could you please let me have lawyers details

Hi all

 Some good news, I have just received this email from Pablo

Hi Kev ,

Thanks a million for the update that is indeed good news, its good to hear something positive it was all getting a bit negative on the forum. Have booked a trip over in August, really looking forward to it now.

Thanks again,

Gina