Antonio Gil revealed??

Escrito en inglés y español. 

Dear Owner,

The President of Level II of Jardin II and the President of Level III of Garden V in conformity with the status of the Law of Horizontal Property in vigor  (,article 16.1 of the Law of Horizontal Property with a coefficient of 29.98%) for Jardin I, have called upon a ”Junta Extraordinaria” (Extraordinary meeting) on the lst of August 2009 in order to cease RPM as Administrador for above mentioned Jardines.

We should like to explain the reasons leading us all in total 12 Jardines de Alhama for having taken the decision to cease the functions of Administrador of RPM.

Amongst other things are:

1.        Lack of experience. In spite of its commercial name “ Administrator of Large Properties”, they do not manage any other property, let alone big ones, except for ours.

2.        Lack of personnel and attention to customers in the afternoon.

3.        Inconpetence in finding solutions to the management they are dealing with 

(relashionship with STV, CISCOMPANY, lawns drying out, public lighting failure in parking area of Jardin 8 and 9, bad levelling of the surrounding area of swimming-pools, sewage of Jardin 12 in a miserable state, lack of pool lights since last October 2008  in Jardin 5, external ring-road in very poor conditions, access entries functioning by means of generators which do not allow a correct control of registration plate numbers of vehicles) etc….

     4.    During the first meeting of Presidents of level II and III on June the 6^th the first

            proposal made, with the approval of the Presidenta of Level I, was to make us

            pay an extra cost of the amount of 200.000 Euros for the painting of all pergolas

           of the resort. All of this, after some tough negotiations with some of the people 

           who are to-day Presidents, and present at that meeting.. Such negotiations with

           sub-contractors led us to lower the budget by 562.000 euros !.   

           This saving would calm down the discontented owners

           and brighten the perspectives for the future.

     5.  Consistent non compliance of the Law on Horizontal Property. Both on RPM

           side as well as by its Presidenta of Level I, representing Alhama Golf Resort.

           These non compliances are:

           Convene for the Junta of the 16^th of May, without the signature of the Presidenta.

           At this date, 10^th of August 2009, the minutes of said Junta have not been handed           

           over to the owners,  the Law on Horizontal Property stipulates that it should be 

           given within 10 days after the Junta.

           The call for the Junta of the 6^th of August for Presidents of Level I,II and III was

           not duly signed by the Presidenta, as the law requires it..

           At this date, 10^th of August 2009 no minutes of said meetings have been given to                                                     

           the owners.

6.        Other major reasons, ( being cautious we do not feel we should        

      reveal this in this writing).

7.  Informing you that we acted lawfully at the Junta of August the I st whereby we   

     ceased the functions of RPM as Administrator. This Junta complied with all legal

      requisits as stipulated in the Horizontal Property Law as well as by the status of our                                           

     Community. However our Presidenta of Level I continues to defend RPM and they 

     recently sent out a document to all owners of Jardines de Alhama creating a general  

     confusion as to her legal position as Administrador. The whole content of this 

     document is totally false as in no way can she determine if the Junta was legal or

     not. This competence is solely exclusive to a Judge or Court of Justice decision.

     We were Surprised by the behaviour of our Presidenta of Level I  towards us,

     owners, and the carelessness she has shown in the fullfilment of her functions as

     Presidenta of Level I. We would expect us to keep us correctly informed.

     This creates an overall illfeeling because we see no solutions to her problems

     and shows no concerns about our preocupations and complaints.

     Recently, she refused to acknowledge a registered letter presented by some twenty

     owners

     requesting the handing over of the minutes of the Junta of the 16^th of May, to

     solve the problem of the lack of water for the lawn, parking lights of Jardin 8 and 9,     

     etc… 

     This result is extremely saddening, After the expenses in the investment made in our

     resort and in the gardens, shortly after it was handed over to us, they are now in a

     dreadfull state. It is extremely difficult to understand for an owner, that after having

     paid an excessive community fee, we have such poor maintenance services.

     Neither RPM nor our Presidenta of Level I are demanding the solution to the mainte-

     nance companies, in order to solve these problems.. And if they attempt, they do not       

     reach the requested objective. But in turn,

      what she requests from our Presidents of Level II is that they punctually pay the

     bills to the people responsible for the miserable aspect of our garden drying out, thus

     taking us for fools. Because if the service rendered is not done correctly there is no

     obligation to pay.

     Please be assured that our sole interest is the wellbeing in our resort and see for

     yourselves if we have acted correctly and do not limitate yourselves to what is

    written in this document.

     We are waiting for your comments and moral support,

     Yours very friendly,

     Condado de Alhama 10^th of August 2009.

Estimado/a Propietario/a:

                Habiéndose convocado legalmente conforme a los Estatutos que rigen el complejo y la Ley de Propiedad Horizontal por el Presidente de nivel II de Jardines II y el Presidente de Nivel III de Jardín V (conforme al artículo 16.1 de la Ley de Propiedad Horizontal, con un coeficiente del 29.98 %) para Jardines I, la Junta Extraordinaria de 1 de agosto de 2009 en la que se cesó como administrador para estos Jardines a RPM.

Queremos exponerles las razones que nos han llevado a que Jardines de Alhama, con sus 12 jardines al completo, hayan decidido en dicha junta extraordinaria de 1 de agosto, el cese de RPM como administrador nuestro, entre otras:

1. Falta de experiencia. A pesar de su nombre comercial “administradores de grandes propiedades”, lo cierto es que no gestionan ninguna otra comunidad, ni muchísimo menos que sea de grandes dimensiones, exceptuando la nuestra.

2.- Falta de personal  y de atención en horario de tarde.

3.- Incompetencia en la solución de las gestiones que realizan (relaciones con STV- gestión, CISCOMPANY, jardines secándose, alumbrado sin funcionar en las plazas de garaje de los jardines 8 y 9, playas de las piscinas con desnivel, depuradora del jardín  12 en mal estado, luces de la piscina en jardín 5 que no funcionan desde octubre del 2008, anillo exterior en condiciones lamentables, los accesos del complejo funcionan con grupos electrógenos que no permiten controlar correctamente las matrículas de los vehículos, etc).

4.- Su primera propuesta en la reunión de presidentes de niveles II y III el 6 de junio, fue tratar, contando con  el visto bueno de  la  presidenta de nivel I, de hacernos cargar un gasto extra de 200.000 € en el pintado de todas las pérgolas del resort. Todo eso a pesar de haber estado presente en las duras negociaciones, con algunos de los hoy somos presidentes con diversas subcontratas,  que condujeron a un ahorro de 562.000 €. Ahorro que iba en la dirección de calmar el descontento entre los propietarios y que la morosidad en nuestro resort,  no se elevase. 

5.- Incumplimiento reiterado en la ley de Propiedad Horizontal. Tanto por parte de RPM, como de su presidenta de nivel I, en representación de Alhama Golf Resort. Estos incumplimientos se concretan en:

- Convocatoria a la junta del 16 de mayo, sin la firma de la presidenta.

- A 10 de agosto del 2.009, aún no se nos ha entregado el acta de dicha junta (siendo preceptiva su entrega en el plazo de diez días conforme a lo previsto legalmente en la Ley de Propiedad Horizontal).

- Convocatoria a la junta del 6 junio para los presidentes de niveles I, II y III, sin la firma de la presidenta.

- A 10 de agosto del 2.009, aún no se nos han entregado ninguna de las actas mencionadas.

6.- Otras razones de gran importancia, pero que por nuestro sentido de la prudencia, no desvelaremos en este escrito..

7.- Trasladarles que hemos actuado legalmente en la Junta de 1 de agosto en la cual cesamos a RPM como administrador nuestro. Esta Junta cumplió con todos los requisitos legales exigibles por la Ley de Propiedad Horizontal y los Estatutos de nuestra propiedad. Sin embargo, nuestra Presidenta de nivel I sigue defendiendo a RPM quien recientemente ha enviado un comunicado a todos ustedes como propietarios de jardines de Alhama por el cual crea una confusión generalizada respecto de su situación legal como administrador. Siendo totalmente falso el contenido de dicho escrito y arrogándose la competencia legal para determinar la legalidad o no de la Junta de 1 de agosto, competencia exclusiva de jueces y tribunales.

Sorprendidos por el comportamiento que nuestra presidenta de nivel I, está teniendo con nosotros, los propietarios, y la dejadez manifiesta en el ejercicio de sus funciones como presidenta de nivel I puesto que entendemos que no mantiene correctamente informados a los propietarios, provocando una situación de malestar general puesto que no se ven soluciones a sus problemas y que rehusa conocer sus inquietudes y quejas. Recientemente ha rehusado acusar recibo de un escrito presentado por unos veintitantos vecinos en el que le solicitaban entrega del acta de la Junta del 16 de mayo, solución al problema de falta de riego en el césped, luces del aparcamiento de los jardines 8 y 9, etc.

Resulta penoso, que después de las cuantiosas inversiones que se han realizado en nuestro resort y sus jardines, al cabo de un  tiempo de su entrega, estos ofrezcan este lamentable y deteriorado estado. Es muy difícil de entender como propietarios, que después de estar pagando una cuota excesiva de comunidad, tengamos estos servicios de  mantenimiento tan malos.

Ni RPM, ni nuestra presidenta de nivel I, exige a nuestras compañías de mantenimiento la solución a estos problemas. Y si lo exigen, no consiguen el objetivo deseado. Lo que si exige a nuestros Presidentes de nivel II, es que se les pague puntualmente, aún a pesar de que son los responsables de que nuestros jardines estén secándose, tomándonos por tontos, ya que si no se presta el servicio correctamente no hay obligación de pagar.

Tengan ustedes la completa seguridad, de que sólo deseamos el bienestar  en  nuestro resort y juzguen si hemos actuado correctamente o no a la vista de lo expresado en este comunicado.

En espera de sus comentarios y su apoyo moral, reciban un cordial saludo.

Condado de Alhama a 10 de Agosto del 2.009

Have just located this as posted by CUZ  on Jardin 7, on the 23rd may.

On this occasion I must agree with PGM as we also thought Sergio was overall President- so we have obviously misread something

"Congratulations to Snr. Toves who is president in our jardin and we have yet to meet, also congrats to Rita, who is our Vice, Mel who is our level 2 President and of course congratulations to Sergio, Vice president 1 and Terry Vice president 2

Many Thanks to all and lets hope it's a good year"

HI, so who is the lady that CdA association SAY has ignored their recorded letter and treated them so badly. Is she the level 1 president, because looking at the chart that I think Ptan posted around 21st May it says Sergio and Terry are level 1 presidents?

Confused

President of Garden 5 thank you for posting your note outlining the concerns you have, some of which are certainly valid. The big problem we now have is communication - many of us are getting this information from you, RPM or our own garden president from this website and this creates confusion, speculation etc.

It is such a pity that at the very early stages of Condado's history it looks like we are going to be embroiled in a dispute between residents representatives/RPM/Polaris. None of us want to see that and it is imperative those three parties work together in the best interests of the owners before the situation gets to a serious level (a courtroom).

I hope that can happen quickly and that we can see some sort of resolution in the near future. 

In terms of comment and moral support, I think I understand the concerns you have expressed but it seems you maybe 'went nuclear' a bit early by attempting to dismiss RPM via process. I'd like to see you trying to work with them for a period if time and to give them a chance to resolve the issues addressed.

I think RPM must also inform residents about what they are doing to address the concerns raised regarding lighting, watering of the gardens, ring road etc.

Tarapa,

Here is an excerpt from the minutes of the meeting of 16th May. The lady in question is the representative of Alhama golf resort.

The Mr Administrator specify that the current president is not Mr Sergio Jimenez, who attended

the last meeting but “Alhama Golf Resort S.L.” society which delegates the duties of president, as

Regards,

Now feel we dont know where all this is going and have a rather iffy feelling that despite the new associations desire to challenge and overthrough RPM - PW have walked this way before, ilegalities or no illegalities.

Would there be any point in a wave of emails to customer services asking what was happening?

Now feel we dont know where all this is going and have a rather iffy feelling that despite the new associations desire to challenge and overthrough RPM - PW have walked this way before, ilegalities or no illegalities.

Would there be any point in a wave of emails to customer services asking what was happening?

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Dear Sir,
 
In principal everything continues the same.  Once the new company has effective control of the documents and data, they will be processed, and indeed the payments will be verified to make sure that they are correct.  Future payments will be quarterly by direct debit from the account number that you have already given for these payments.
 
You will not be charged twice for any of these payments, that is guaranteed.  Similarly, we advise that you will be able to check, via the administrator's website  your financial account and verify its status using a personal and nontransferable password that will be provided.  A service which you currently do not have.
 

Jose, who are you - do you represent Antonio Gil & co ?

Looks like they are setting up another web site http://www.antoniogiladministrador.es/

Phil

How the hell do you get to know all this Phil ? I am sure if some of our fellow owners from Condado could be party to half the information you aquire they might not have so much sympathy/tollerance for RPM.

Regards

jan/all

for obvious reasons rita withdrew from completing the paperwork to accept being vice president, i would like to go into detail but i better not

ant, ritas son

A call to president 5 and Jose

It is great to see some information forthcoming from President 5 and Jose (and well done Phil for your input), but please P5 and Jose, will you tell us who you are and where you fit into this puzzle - I am hoping that P5 is Ramon Lopez (as per the minutes), and Maybe Jose is the J2 president??

I am sure that all of this is done with the best intentions, but you are getting your fellow owners very worried because we are not seeing the whole picture.  As you are now on this site can you please provide some information as to how you see this process working.

If RPM are not agreeing with the proposals how will you get them to pass the information across, and how will you get their agreement to reduce their fees. 

Can we have assurances that the total administration fees will not rise, given that the whole community will have to pay RPM, and then we in the Jardines will have to pay AG.

I am in the Jardines, but am concerned at the "splitting" of the overall community, how do you propose to manage this between the administrators - I have heard of issues at Campasol between Sector A and the others, and would not want to see that repeated at CDA.

Please give us as much info as you can

I'd like to know how Antonio Gil was selected and why? and also why the presidents of Naranjos where not involved?

Ali

THIS IS UNBELIEVEABLE ! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT !  (One foot in the grave) - seriously though no new administrator is going to get a cent from me unless and until this situation is properly resolved and we get some form of formal communication from Polaris, RPM and the mysterious Antonio Gil - what a $%£"!! SHAMBLES !

Ali, This is only my guess, but as per the minutes, the Presidency in Naranjos consists of 5 owners (Gardens 2,3,4,7 and 8), with the other 19 positions filled by Polaris.  Therefore if Naranjos were involved as things stand Polaris would have a blocking vote.

Ali,

The reason the Presidents of Naranjos were not invited to attend was that Polaris World are the Presidents of most of the gardens there.At election time if there was no nomination for a garden then PW automatically became President.Therefore this scenario could not have happened on Naranjos,as they (the association)would have been outvoted .

It seems to me that this whole scenario has been in the pipeline for a very, very long time, and thus very well researched with legal advise etc.

If this change is to go ahead, I suggest that we,the "ordinary owners", demand each one of our Presidents to sign some sort of legal document (affadavit), stating that they have absolutely no vested interest in this company Antonio Gil or any of its associates.

I dont mind paying my management fees,but I do not want someone taking money out of my pocket!!!

John 

Ali,

It's a new form of democracy. You look at the structure of those entitled to vote, identify those that will vote for what you are proposing and only include them in the process. IT IS AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE. It does nothing for us as owners, nothing for the resort of Condado De Alhama, nothing for our relationship with PW, nothing for our relationship with RPM..... One wonders why some people even considered buying on a PW resort if they considered them so crap. Anyone who thinks services will improve and costs lowered by fragmenting the organisation is talking rubbish.

Yes John and very well said, i do believe little brown envelopes could possibly be changing hands in this situation and like you they're not getting there fingers on my money.  I cannot prove anything but i have good gut instincts and I just smell a rat.  I may be proved wrong which I would welcome as I believe this is doing a lot of damage to Condado. 

Ali

All,

I have bit my lip on this issue for quite a while, in the hope that it all would blow over and things would settle down. However, now feel I have to add to shambles that seems to be developing around us. Why on earth does anyone, President 5, Jose and anyone else of a like mind please note, think they are going to get any money out of us: if they have not consulted the owners? PW must be laughing right up their sleeve at all the "in fighting" going on, including some rather stupid remarks which has caused friction between the different areas on Condado, which just detracts from them getting things organised properly!

We are in Condado tomorrow for the next 5 days and hopefully might  be able to find out what is actually going on.

Jim and Betty