01 Feb 2012 10:17 AM:

Well we used lawyers to sort this out for us and we pay our taxes in both UK and Spain.  It was using professional people that got me fines as they did not file our self assessments in Spain resulting in fines we just filed 3 years self assessments so I now base myself on the theory that if you want anything doing do it yourself or at least learn to as then you know its done right.

Once I understand the way I file the accounts at the Hacienda i will do this myself then another job completed and no problems as I feel I am totally unable to trust anyone anymore they seem to take your money and run and at the end of the day its us that are getting the fines and our responsibility so no more will i be ripped off by so called professional bodies

 

Thanks for your help

 

 

 

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01 Feb 2012 9:07 AM:

No  I have joint residency both in UK and in Spain - We have an SL company that actually manages and owns the villa we have in Spain - I file self assessments in UK and in Spain and I have to file a set of accounts at the Registro Mercantiles each year - due to Spanish accountants letting me down and not doing the self assessments correctly I have recently had to file the last 3 years self assessments which I presumed were being filed and something I was paying a Spanish Accountant to do and have since found out they were not.  A set of accounts also has to be filed against the SL Company through the Registro Mercantiles - Hacienda that owns the villa we make rental on,  It seems the accountant has been filing these accounts and doing this but omitted to do the self assessments which have resulted in me being fined for non compliance.  The filing of the self assessments we have now completed ourselves as this way I know they are being filed and done correctly.

My question is therefore do we have to have the UK accounts we complete each year translated into Spanish to file at the Registro Mercantile or can I file the UK version - these have to be notarised before they are filed cost of this is around 6 Euros and to file at Mercantiles - Hacienda costs around 54 Euros per annum

I have no other way of explaining this its not my field of experience hence I am seeking guidance here and trying to be as independent as I possibly can as I know when you buy in another country its only natural one should learn the legalities of that Country this is what I am trying to do to avoid any further fines and I cannot get the information off the internet and professional bodies let me down - and I need to get this resolved asap

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30 Jan 2012 1:57 PM:

No I have now filed the self assessments with the UK tax office and Spanish Tax Offices  - what I need to know is like Companies House in UK we have to file a set of accounts at the mercantiles each year - these accounts are the same as UK as its regarding the same revenue that we file self assessments on in Spain and Uk on our villa as its under a business a Spanish SL company I need to know do we have to have the Uk accounts we get our figures off translated into Spanish to file at the mercantiles of will english version suffice - I know they have to be notarised and then they are filed just need some guidance thats all

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30 Jan 2012 12:00 AM:

Hi

I have just had more problems dealing with Spanish Accountants i thought were doing a job correctly that I paid them to do and find out subsequently they have not causing me fines

I received letters from the Agencia Tributaria sayying we had not filed out accounts for 2 years and in December the 3rd year was due for filing.  I had been sending our UK accounts to an accountant expecting this to have been dealt with.

I since find out it has not - however fortunately for me I have friends and a daughter that work in accounts and this has now been resolved and the situation wont happen again as we are now doing this ourselves - at least we know its being done right.

Trusting people in Spain and its Islands is a nightmare when you think you do things in good faith and think you are doing everything corrrectly and within the law, and then find out that professional people have let you down.

Now I have to file accounts at the Registro mercantile - this has bene done correctly via accountants but not the tax side of it - why - I have no idea and cant get any response to the question either when I asked.

Can someone advise me if we can file the UK accounts my daughter has completed for me or do they have to be formaaated into Spanish - i do know I have to take them to the Notary to be signed off and then take them to the Mercantiles for proecessing

I feel so let down by these professional people I dont trust anyone now and prefer doing things myself as at least I know it does get sorted out correctly - the time I have wasted in offices dealing with this mess is unbelievable

Does anyone know therefore if i can file the English version of these accounts so i can sort this out on my next visit within the next month or so

 

 

 

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08 Sep 2009 6:39 PM:

Hi we have issues with our community of owners.  We purchased  villa on the Sands Beach Resort - previously known as Lanzarote Beach Club timeshare - Lanzarote.  Spanish also purchased on this resort therefore would have had more knowledge about community of owners than we would.  We signed our contracts with a notary however never were the By Laws explained to us at point of sale and neither were the communal fees or how high they would be.  Just under 400 Euros per month.  The By laws became an issue 2 years after the sales as we all bought under a 2 yr guaranteed rental and also received projected costs for rental after the 2nd year, however all these figures proved to be false, and we were either thrown out of leases altogther or given leases which amounted to less than 50 Euros per week before taxes.  The resort holds the tourism license therefore we can only let our villas to family and friends and many owners are facing bankrupcy.  The accounts are a joke with many anomolies, and we are not allowed to see these accounts by the way, we just get a report, because the loaded By Laws that came to light after sale gives the resort owners shares and voting rights to the reception, bars and restaurants which of course they own along with 130 villas, and we get one vote per villa.  Therefore any AGM/EGM we are immediately out voted and everything the resort owenrs/management want to pass they do so and we cannot do anything about it   We personally have been accused of owing money they lost 6 months communal fees we had paid  by DD from our bank into their account which is at the same branch and bank.  We have now received letter from the President claiming money is owed by severl owners and interest plus late payment fees of 50 Euros has been charged to the outstanding debts.

Due to the large number of debts owing a EGM has been called for on 15 September to discuss and vote on the problem of these outstanding debtors which could well be inaccurate.  What i would like to know is what happens to owners villas (as we own freeholds plus many have mortgages with banks) for failing to pay these communal fees which we know to be the highest outsdie of Madrid.  If someone knows the legal position for owners it would be greatly appreciated to have some feedback.

Personally we have been to our MEP's the European Trading Standards and we are waiting for the Spanish equivalent to respond as the European Trading Standads [passed the matter to their Spanish counterparts, however whilst all this is going on people are facing the prospect of losing everything.

We do know and are aware the Lanzarote Beach Club Timeshare people are in the process of taking legal action over a reportedly 150million Euros scam and we believe the regime is still the same regime running the place as we have been paying communl fees into old bank accounts until this year.  We have constant names changes and new bank accounts.  The whole thing is a nightmare.

 

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